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[Wizard From Oz]

Quote: I guess I'm just an advocate of KISS.

I wanna rock n roll all night

And party everyday

ooops - sorry wrong Kiss :roll:

[LetsGetReal]

MJB wrote: No - because the Bible tells us that God, by his Son, created the worlds (plural) and it would be silly to think that, in all the vastness of the universe, our world alone would be the only one to contain human life. Where does it say worlds?

[perdidochas]

Nathyn wrote: I'm posting this topic in each different religious forum, but with regard to each religion.

I'd thought I could just post it in the general religious forum, but I wanted a specific answer from each Abrahamic religious group. I'm also writing a series of specific thought-provoking questions for each.

I don't just mean alien bacteria, but sentient life.

So, how would sentient extraterrestrial life affect Christianity?

1. Would it affect your faith in your Christianity?

2. How would Biblical history be understood? A literal interpretation of the Bible doesn't mention outside life at all. If sentient extraterrestrial life is discovered, should we automatically assume they are demons?

3. Does the Bible apply to others outside of Earth? I.E., would aliens still need to be "saved"? If aliens were intended to be saved, what does it say about Christianity if they had lived for millenia without any knowledge of Jesus?

4. What if aliens are unisexual or have unorthodox familial orientations? How should inter-special relations and marriage, and even moral judgements of alien relations be interpreted?

1. Not at all.
2. The idea of other worlds being created is not antithetical to the early chapters of Genesis.
3. I have no idea.
4. A moot point, as we don't know what kind of set-ups they have.

[LetsGetReal]

I'm posting this topic in each different religious forum, but with regard to each religion.

I'd thought I could just post it in the general religious forum, but I wanted a specific answer from each Abrahamic religious group. I'm also writing a series of specific thought-provoking questions for each.

I don't just mean alien bacteria, but sentient life.

So, how would sentient extraterrestrial life affect Christianity?

1. Would it affect your faith in your Christianity?

Quote: No...

2. How would Biblical history be understood? A literal interpretation of the Bible doesn't mention outside life at all. If sentient extraterrestrial life is discovered, should we automatically assume they are demons?

Quote: I don't see how biblical history would be null and void, since the subject was never talked about really :?.

First off your word choice is poor at best, since you group yourself up with those of the Christian faith. Second I wouldn't assume they were demons unless I had reason to believe so. Also your questions are way too broad and cast a sense of arrogance that is "in my opinion" saying, "Wow, Christians are just so stupid."

3. Does the Bible apply to others outside of Earth? I.E., would aliens still need to be "saved"? If aliens were intended to be saved, what does it say about Christianity if they had lived for millenia without any knowledge of Jesus?

Quote: Is this honestly a question? :roll: Again your either trying to be arrogant or showing your true ignorance of Christianity.

4. What if aliens are unisexual or have unorthodox familial orientations? How should inter-special relations and marriage, and even moral judgements of alien relations be interpreted? Quote: What if monkeys suddenly fly out of my butt? Why such a stupid question? Again its either arrogance or lack of understanding Christian Scripture. Please stop posting in this forum if all your going to do is put forth such ridiculous topics or ideas. Its honestly just a waste of time for not just the person who responds but to the reader as well.

[MJB]

LetsGetReal wrote: MJB wrote: No - because the Bible tells us that God, by his Son, created the worlds (plural) and it would be silly to think that, in all the vastness of the universe, our world alone would be the only one to contain human life. Where does it say worlds?

Hebrews 1:1-2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

[LetsGetReal]

MJB wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: MJB wrote: No - because the Bible tells us that God, by his Son, created the worlds (plural) and it would be silly to think that, in all the vastness of the universe, our world alone would be the only one to contain human life. Where does it say worlds?

Hebrews 1:1-2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Worldwide English wrote: Hebrews 1
1Long ago, God talked to our fathers through the prophets. He talked many times and in many ways.

2In these last days, he talked to us through his Son. God chose him to be the one to whom he would give all things. God also made the world by this Son.

NIV wrote: Hebrews 1
1In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

New American Standard Bible wrote: Hebrews 1
1God, after He (A)spoke long ago to the fathers in (B)the prophets in many portions and (C)in many ways,
2(D)in these last days (E)has spoken to us in (F)His Son, whom He appointed (G)heir of all things, (H)through whom also He made the (I)world.

Youngs Literal Translation wrote: Hebrews 1
1In many parts, and many ways, God of old having spoken to the fathers in the prophets,

2in these last days did speak to us in a Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He did make the ages;

New Living Translation wrote: 1Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways to our ancestors through the prophets. 2But now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he made the universe and everything in it.

So all other translations say something entirely different, but still similar..... :?

I would say thats picking a certain translation to try and prove a point. Sorry...

[MJB]

LetsGetReal wrote: MJB wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: MJB wrote: No - because the Bible tells us that God, by his Son, created the worlds (plural) and it would be silly to think that, in all the vastness of the universe, our world alone would be the only one to contain human life. Where does it say worlds?

Hebrews 1:1-2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Worldwide English wrote: Hebrews 1
1Long ago, God talked to our fathers through the prophets. He talked many times and in many ways.

2In these last days, he talked to us through his Son. God chose him to be the one to whom he would give all things. God also made the world by this Son.

NIV wrote: Hebrews 1
1In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

New American Standard Bible wrote: Hebrews 1
1God, after He (A)spoke long ago to the fathers in (B)the prophets in many portions and (C)in many ways,
2(D)in these last days (E)has spoken to us in (F)His Son, whom He appointed (G)heir of all things, (H)through whom also He made the (I)world.

Youngs Literal Translation wrote: Hebrews 1
1In many parts, and many ways, God of old having spoken to the fathers in the prophets,

2in these last days did speak to us in a Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He did make the ages;

New Living Translation wrote: 1Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways to our ancestors through the prophets. 2But now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he made the universe and everything in it.

So all other translations say something entirely different, but still similar..... :?

I would say thats picking a certain translation to try and prove a point. Sorry...

I don't need to "pick" a translation to try to prove anything. It says what it says. It's also the translation we use, and have always used. Not to mention that it's still the most widely used English translation of the Bible in Christendom. So take it or leave it.

But I see some of the translations you posted said "ages" and "universe" but didn't mention the world at all. Does that mean there was no world created? :shock: :roll:

Or might that simply be referring to everything, including all planets and heavenly bodies, within the universe?

But hey - if people want to believe there is only one planet in the entire universe with human life - that's their option, though - that is a most closed minded notion, considering there are 70,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars that can be seen through our telescopes, with 100 billion stars in our galaxy alone.

With all that, not counting the rest of the universe that is beyond our present ability to see, I think its absurd to conclude that human life only exists here on this one single planet we call earth, in this one little solar system, in this one galaxy alone, across the whole of vast expanse of the universe. :roll:

[LetsGetReal]

I never claimed there wasn't any other planets, way to take it to the extreme. :roll:

Just merely pointing out only 1 translation says worlds. And also trying to show that the Mormon belief of mutiple heavens as bogus. But don't worry your little temper tantrum helped you out, :lol:. And also can you please stop putting words in my mouth, because I know you do that to Jesus/God, but you won't be doing it to me.

[MJB]

LetsGetReal wrote: I never claimed there wasn't any other planets, way to take it to the extreme. :roll:

Just merely pointing out only 1 translation says worlds. And also trying to show that the Mormon belief of mutiple heavens as bogus. But don't worry your little temper tantrum helped you out, :lol:. And also can you please stop putting words in my mouth, because I know you do that to Jesus/God, but you won't be doing it to me.

I never said you claimed there weren't other planets.

But leave it to you to turn this into a "Mormon" thing. What a thread about life on other planets has to do with multiple heavens and Mormons in your mind, I wouldn't know.

However - since you brought the subject up and wish to cry about multiple heavens being bogus, need I, again, remind you that Paul was caught up to, "the third heaven?"

Now, please explain how you can have a third anything, without also, of necessity, having a first, and a second, of that thing.

[LetsGetReal]

MJB wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: I never claimed there wasn't any other planets, way to take it to the extreme. :roll:

Just merely pointing out only 1 translation says worlds. And also trying to show that the Mormon belief of mutiple heavens as bogus. But don't worry your little temper tantrum helped you out, :lol:. And also can you please stop putting words in my mouth, because I know you do that to Jesus/God, but you won't be doing it to me.

I never said you claimed there weren't other planets.

But leave it to you to turn this into a "Mormon" thing. What a thread about life on other planets has to do with multiple heavens and Mormons in your mind, I wouldn't know.

However - since you brought the subject up and wish to cry about multiple heavens being bogus, need I, again, remind you that Paul was caught up to, "the third heaven?"

Now, please explain how you can have a third anything, without also, of necessity, having a first, and a second, of that thing. No it's fine that you start a whole religion off one verse and then turn into a satanic cult. Just keep thinking you can become a god, its not my fault you believe in a false prophet. I truly hope you become a Christian one day it truly will be a great day.

[MJB]

LetsGetReal wrote: MJB wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: I never claimed there wasn't any other planets, way to take it to the extreme. :roll:

Just merely pointing out only 1 translation says worlds. And also trying to show that the Mormon belief of mutiple heavens as bogus. But don't worry your little temper tantrum helped you out, :lol:. And also can you please stop putting words in my mouth, because I know you do that to Jesus/God, but you won't be doing it to me.

I never said you claimed there weren't other planets.

But leave it to you to turn this into a "Mormon" thing. What a thread about life on other planets has to do with multiple heavens and Mormons in your mind, I wouldn't know.

However - since you brought the subject up and wish to cry about multiple heavens being bogus, need I, again, remind you that Paul was caught up to, "the third heaven?"

Now, please explain how you can have a third anything, without also, of necessity, having a first, and a second, of that thing.

No it's fine that you start a whole religion off one verse and then turn into a satanic cult. Just keep thinking you can become a god, its not my fault you believe in a false prophet. I truly hope you become a Christian one day it truly will be a great day.

:roll:

Maybe you will become a Christian one day.

I like the way you've attempted to turn this into a Mormon thing out of thin air, and then give the typical non-response cry of, "cult," when you can't even answer to something you brought up yourself. It's not my fault the Bible says things you don't understand.

But hey - if you're in the mood to Mormon bash, why don't you take it back to the anti-Mormon thread, and while you're there, you can respond to the many things you guys left unanswered.

[John]

Quote: However - since you brought the subject up and wish to cry about multiple heavens being bogus, need I, again, remind you that Paul was caught up to, "the third heaven?"

1st heaven is the sky.

2nd heaven is outer space.

[LetsGetReal]

MJB wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: MJB wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: I never claimed there wasn't any other planets, way to take it to the extreme. :roll:

Just merely pointing out only 1 translation says worlds. And also trying to show that the Mormon belief of mutiple heavens as bogus. But don't worry your little temper tantrum helped you out, :lol:. And also can you please stop putting words in my mouth, because I know you do that to Jesus/God, but you won't be doing it to me.

I never said you claimed there weren't other planets.

But leave it to you to turn this into a "Mormon" thing. What a thread about life on other planets has to do with multiple heavens and Mormons in your mind, I wouldn't know.

However - since you brought the subject up and wish to cry about multiple heavens being bogus, need I, again, remind you that Paul was caught up to, "the third heaven?"

Now, please explain how you can have a third anything, without also, of necessity, having a first, and a second, of that thing.

No it's fine that you start a whole religion off one verse and then turn into a satanic cult. Just keep thinking you can become a god, its not my fault you believe in a false prophet. I truly hope you become a Christian one day it truly will be a great day.

:roll:

Maybe you will become a Christian one day.

I like the way you've attempted to turn this into a Mormon thing out of thin air, and then give the typical non-response cry of, "cult," when you can't even answer to something you brought up yourself. It's not my fault the Bible says things you don't understand.

But hey - if you're in the mood to Mormon bash, why don't you take it back to the anti-Mormon thread, and while you're there, you can respond to the many things you guys left unanswered. Haha, left unanswered, are you serious? We responded to everything you brought up, your the one who denied the churches own teachings. I'm sorry your fabricated religion leaves you outside the tent of being a christian. You do know you could come over anytime you want, we're all waiting. Hopefully one day you'll know the error of your ways.

[MJB]

John wrote: Quote: However - since you brought the subject up and wish to cry about multiple heavens being bogus, need I, again, remind you that Paul was caught up to, "the third heaven?"

1st heaven is the sky.

2nd heaven is outer space.

There you go!

And that, children, is why the place where God dwells is always identified as, "the third heaven," so there is no chance of anyone confusing it with the sky, or outer space.

[Todd D.]

Wow, this thread got unintentionally hilarious and sad pretty quickly didn't it.

"Maybe you will become a Christian instead of a satanic cult who eats babies and rips the tags off mattresses"
"Maybe YOU will become a Christian!"

By the by, LetsGetReal, I think you need to go over the difference between "You're" and "Your". YOUR grammar appears to need some work and YOU'RE making YOURself look uneducated by confusing the two.

[MJB]

LetsGetReal wrote: Haha, left unanswered, are you serious? We responded to everything you brought up, your the one who denied the churches own teachings. I'm sorry your fabricated religion leaves you outside the tent of being a christian. You do know you could come over anytime you want, we're all waiting. Hopefully one day you'll know the error of your ways.

:roll:

Yeah, yeah, yeah - heard it all before.

Now - instead of pulling multiple heavens out of thin air, for an excuse to Mormon bash, why aren't you talking about the topic of this thread? If you want to cry about Mormons not being Christians, take it over to the anti-Mormon thread.

[LetsGetReal]

MJB wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: Haha, left unanswered, are you serious? We responded to everything you brought up, your the one who denied the churches own teachings. I'm sorry your fabricated religion leaves you outside the tent of being a christian. You do know you could come over anytime you want, we're all waiting. Hopefully one day you'll know the error of your ways.

:roll:

Yeah, yeah, yeah - heard it all before.

Now - instead of pulling multiple heavens out of thin air, for an excuse to Mormon bash, why aren't you talking about the topic of this thread? If you want to cry about Mormons not being Christians, take it over to the anti-Mormon thread. Well I thought it was relevant since it is a common belief in Mormonism that their is multiple heavens/earths is it not? And if I'm correct most peoples definition of extraterrestrial life would be, life that is on another planet that is not our own. So would that not mean all Mormon's believe in life outside of this planet already? Also meaning that my topic was dealing with the original post.

[Tetracide]

Ok, let's all calm down.

[LetsGetReal]

Todd D. wrote: Wow, this thread got unintentionally hilarious and sad pretty quickly didn't it.

"Maybe you will become a Christian instead of a satanic cult who eats babies and rips the tags off mattresses"
"Maybe YOU will become a Christian!"

By the by, LetsGetReal, I think you need to go over the difference between "You're" and "Your". YOUR grammar appears to need some work and YOU'RE making YOURself look uneducated by confusing the two. Wow...Personal Attack Todd? I'm glad this is English Class and my grammar is the main topic. Also I didn't know misusing the words your/you're was a such a big deal. :roll:

If I made myself look stupid, I wonder what your personal attack made you look like? :?

[LetsGetReal]

Double post....