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Nathyn



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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:02 pm    Post subject: How would extraterrestrial life affect Christianity?  

I'm posting this topic in each different religious forum, but with regard to each religion.

I'd thought I could just post it in the general religious forum, but I wanted a specific answer from each Abrahamic religious group. I'm also writing a series of specific thought-provoking questions for each.

I don't just mean alien bacteria, but sentient life.

So, how would sentient extraterrestrial life affect Christianity?

1. Would it affect your faith in your Christianity?

2. How would Biblical history be understood? A literal interpretation of the Bible doesn't mention outside life at all. If sentient extraterrestrial life is discovered, should we automatically assume they are demons?

3. Does the Bible apply to others outside of Earth? I.E., would aliens still need to be "saved"? If aliens were intended to be saved, what does it say about Christianity if they had lived for millenia without any knowledge of Jesus?

4. What if aliens are unisexual or have unorthodox familial orientations? How should inter-special relations and marriage, and even moral judgements of alien relations be interpreted?
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toddytodd



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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: How would extraterrestrial life affect Christianity?  

Nathyn wrote: I'm posting this topic in each different religious forum, but with regard to each religion.

I'd thought I could just post it in the general religious forum, but I wanted a specific answer from each Abrahamic religious group. I'm also writing a series of specific thought-provoking questions for each.

I don't just mean alien bacteria, but sentient life.

So, how would sentient extraterrestrial life affect Christianity?

1. Would it affect your faith in your Christianity?

2. How would Biblical history be understood? A literal interpretation of the Bible doesn't mention outside life at all. If sentient extraterrestrial life is discovered, should we automatically assume they are demons?

3. Does the Bible apply to others outside of Earth? I.E., would aliens still need to be "saved"? If aliens were intended to be saved, what does it say about Christianity if they had lived for millenia without any knowledge of Jesus?

4. What if aliens are unisexual or have unorthodox familial orientations? How should inter-special relations and marriage, and even moral judgements of alien relations be interpreted?

It wouldn't effect my belief at all. I suspect it wouldn't effect a lot of people's beliefs, only those 'hard hitters' or christian belief that believe the bible is absolutely literally the word of God. I saw a poll recently that said 54% of Americans believe the bible is the literal word of God (but we all know about polls :lol: ).v I actually believe in life outside earth/our solar system/universe. Rather or not they would come here (or are coming here) I am not sure of. But if they are, I think the gov'ts would be doing the right thing by not telling anyone - there are a lot of crazies and it's possible this would through society into chaos. I would also think this new 'life' would challenge our way of thinking about life.
Definitely it would shake up some people, but I would imagine many religious people could point to something in their belief that they never believed prior and say "See, it says right here this would happen so it must be true!"
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MJB



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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:12 pm    Post subject: Re: How would extraterrestrial life affect Christianity?  

Nathyn wrote:

I'm posting this topic in each different religious forum, but with regard to each religion.

I'd thought I could just post it in the general religious forum, but I wanted a specific answer from each Abrahamic religious group. I'm also writing a series of specific thought-provoking questions for each.

I don't just mean alien bacteria, but sentient life.

So, how would sentient extraterrestrial life affect Christianity?

1. Would it affect your faith in your Christianity?

Absolutely not.

2. How would Biblical history be understood? A literal interpretation of the Bible doesn't mention outside life at all. If sentient extraterrestrial life is discovered, should we automatically assume they are demons?

No - because the Bible tells us that God, by his Son, created the worlds (plural) and it would be silly to think that, in all the vastness of the universe, our world alone would be the only one to contain human life.

3. Does the Bible apply to others outside of Earth? I.E., would aliens still need to be "saved"? If aliens were intended to be saved, what does it say about Christianity if they had lived for millenia without any knowledge of Jesus?

Why the assumption that they would have no knowledge of Jesus? Would God not be capable of calling prophets to teach them, just like he has called prophets to teach man on our earth?

4. What if aliens are unisexual or have unorthodox familial orientations? How should inter-special relations and marriage, and even moral judgements of alien relations be interpreted?[/quote]

God made man in his own image and likeness, both male and female. Therefore, there would be no reason to think aliens would be a different species than we, or that they would be given laws regarding sexual morality any different than what God has given us.
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dtwizzy2k5



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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:14 pm    Post subject: Re: How would extraterrestrial life affect Christianity?  

Nathyn wrote: I'm posting this topic in each different religious forum, but with regard to each religion.

I'd thought I could just post it in the general religious forum, but I wanted a specific answer from each Abrahamic religious group. I'm also writing a series of specific thought-provoking questions for each.

I don't just mean alien bacteria, but sentient life.

So, how would sentient extraterrestrial life affect Christianity?

1. Would it affect your faith in your Christianity?

2. How would Biblical history be understood? A literal interpretation of the Bible doesn't mention outside life at all. If sentient extraterrestrial life is discovered, should we automatically assume they are demons?

3. Does the Bible apply to others outside of Earth? I.E., would aliens still need to be "saved"? If aliens were intended to be saved, what does it say about Christianity if they had lived for millenia without any knowledge of Jesus?

4. What if aliens are unisexual or have unorthodox familial orientations? How should inter-special relations and marriage, and even moral judgements of alien relations be interpreted?

Ill give you my simple answer: i firmly believe that there IS NO other intelligent, sentient life out there. Thus, your hypothetical is as irrelevant to me as this hypothetical: If God was proven not to exist would you believe in God?
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ubikk



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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:15 pm    Post subject:  

It shouldn't have any effect. However, I know that people like Pat Robertson would say it was some trick of Satan or something.
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cap'n queasy



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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:22 pm    Post subject:  

ubikk wrote: It shouldn't have any effect. However, I know that people like Pat Robertson would say it was some trick of Satan or something.

What if if they came and told you God is real and that they are angels?

Would you believe them?
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MG1962



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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:33 pm    Post subject:  

I'm posting this topic in each different religious forum, but with regard to each religion.

I'd thought I could just post it in the general religious forum, but I wanted a specific answer from each Abrahamic religious group. I'm also writing a series of specific thought-provoking questions for each.

I don't just mean alien bacteria, but sentient life.

So, how would sentient extraterrestrial life affect Christianity?

1. Would it affect your faith in your Christianity?

If anything it would reinforce it

2. How would Biblical history be understood? A literal interpretation of the Bible doesn't mention outside life at all. If sentient extraterrestrial life is discovered, should we automatically assume they are demons?

Could the converse apply and we think them angels?

3. Does the Bible apply to others outside of Earth? I.E., would aliens still need to be "saved"? If aliens were intended to be saved, what does it say about Christianity if they had lived for millenia without any knowledge of Jesus?

With a base line of zero there is no way we can know that answer

4. What if aliens are unisexual or have unorthodox familial orientations? How should inter-special relations and marriage, and even moral judgements of alien relations be interpreted?

I suspect those with faith would seek guidence in that faith - Either praying to God - or asking the elders of their particular Church for opinion, then allow themselves to be guided by the relevence of the answers.
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ubikk



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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:54 pm    Post subject:  

cap'n queasy wrote: ubikk wrote: It shouldn't have any effect. However, I know that people like Pat Robertson would say it was some trick of Satan or something.

What if if they came and told you God is real and that they are angels?

Would you believe them?

I would be skeptical, because if I were an alien, and I wanted to subdue Earth, I would conclude that one way to do that would be to convince humans that I was a God, because most of them hold religious beliefs.
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cap'n queasy



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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:12 am    Post subject:  

ubikk wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: ubikk wrote: It shouldn't have any effect. However, I know that people like Pat Robertson would say it was some trick of Satan or something.

What if if they came and told you God is real and that they are angels?

Would you believe them?

I would be skeptical, because if I were an alien, and I wanted to subdue Earth, I would conclude that one way to do that would be to convince humans that I was a God, because most of them hold religious beliefs.

Then why wouldn't you be skeptical if they told you there was no God?

The easiest way to take advantage of a chump is telling them exactly what they want to hear.
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ubikk



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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:16 am    Post subject:  

cap'n queasy wrote: ubikk wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: ubikk wrote: It shouldn't have any effect. However, I know that people like Pat Robertson would say it was some trick of Satan or something.

What if if they came and told you God is real and that they are angels?

Would you believe them?

I would be skeptical, because if I were an alien, and I wanted to subdue Earth, I would conclude that one way to do that would be to convince humans that I was a God, because most of them hold religious beliefs.

Then why wouldn't you be skeptical if they told you there was no God?


I would be skeptical of that too. I don't think anyone can conclusively say that there is no God.
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cap'n queasy



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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:40 am    Post subject:  

ubikk wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: ubikk wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: ubikk wrote: It shouldn't have any effect. However, I know that people like Pat Robertson would say it was some trick of Satan or something.

What if if they came and told you God is real and that they are angels?

Would you believe them?

I would be skeptical, because if I were an alien, and I wanted to subdue Earth, I would conclude that one way to do that would be to convince humans that I was a God, because most of them hold religious beliefs.

Then why wouldn't you be skeptical if they told you there was no God?


I would be skeptical of that too. I don't think anyone can conclusively say that there is no God.

Good. :-D
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Nathyn



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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:27 am    Post subject:  

ubikk wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: ubikk wrote: It shouldn't have any effect. However, I know that people like Pat Robertson would say it was some trick of Satan or something.

What if if they came and told you God is real and that they are angels?

Would you believe them?

I would be skeptical, because if I were an alien, and I wanted to subdue Earth, I would conclude that one way to do that would be to convince humans that I was a God, because most of them hold religious beliefs.
"Aye, Billy Bob! Gimme some ammo, so we can go kill summa-em demon aliens!"

"Darn Satanic critters! And they has the audacity to claim to be intolleshually superior!"
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cap'n queasy



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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:35 am    Post subject:  

Nathyn wrote: ubikk wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: ubikk wrote: It shouldn't have any effect. However, I know that people like Pat Robertson would say it was some trick of Satan or something.

What if if they came and told you God is real and that they are angels?

Would you believe them?

I would be skeptical, because if I were an alien, and I wanted to subdue Earth, I would conclude that one way to do that would be to convince humans that I was a God, because most of them hold religious beliefs.
"Aye, Billy Bob! Gimme some ammo, so we can go kill summa-em demon aliens!"

"Darn Satanic critters! And they has the audacity to claim to be intolleshually superior!"

"Hey, Zorquix, let's git us some of these delicious Canadians so we can have fresh meat for the long ride home. Help me tie this fat one on the hood of the ship".
:lol:
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:28 am    Post subject:  

The Catholic Church does not have an official position on the subject. However "Emphasizing that he was not speaking officially for the Church, Fr. George Coyne told the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera January 7, 'For the time being, there is no scientific evidence of life (outside the planet Earth). However, we are gathering observations that point to this possibility. The universe is so large that it would be folly to say that we are the exception. The debate is ongoing and complex.' "

About how it would impact our understanding of Scripture, he continues: "Jesus Christ is true God and true man. Can this true man also appear on another planet? I don’t know. The possibility of extraterrestrial intelligent and spiritual life poses many questions. Anyway, science does not destroy the believer’s faith but stimulates it."

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0202eye.asp
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Lumina



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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:40 am    Post subject: Re: How would extraterrestrial life affect Christianity?  

MJB wrote: Nathyn wrote:

I'm posting this topic in each different religious forum, but with regard to each religion.

I'd thought I could just post it in the general religious forum, but I wanted a specific answer from each Abrahamic religious group. I'm also writing a series of specific thought-provoking questions for each.

I don't just mean alien bacteria, but sentient life.

So, how would sentient extraterrestrial life affect Christianity?

1. Would it affect your faith in your Christianity?

Absolutely not.

2. How would Biblical history be understood? A literal interpretation of the Bible doesn't mention outside life at all. If sentient extraterrestrial life is discovered, should we automatically assume they are demons?

No - because the Bible tells us that God, by his Son, created the worlds (plural) and it would be silly to think that, in all the vastness of the universe, our world alone would be the only one to contain human life.

3. Does the Bible apply to others outside of Earth? I.E., would aliens still need to be "saved"? If aliens were intended to be saved, what does it say about Christianity if they had lived for millenia without any knowledge of Jesus?

Why the assumption that they would have no knowledge of Jesus? Would God not be capable of calling prophets to teach them, just like he has called prophets to teach man on our earth?

4. What if aliens are unisexual or have unorthodox familial orientations? How should inter-special relations and marriage, and even moral judgements of alien relations be interpreted?

God made man in his own image and likeness, both male and female. Therefore, there would be no reason to think aliens would be a different species than we, or that they would be given laws regarding sexual morality any different than what God has given us.[/quote]

What MJB said.
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scoobysnack



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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:16 pm    Post subject:  

Before I answered your question of how Aliens would affect Christianity, I wanted to post this evidence of Aliens:

Seriously, you have to take the time to watch this video, it will blow your mind. All the videos I post, you should watch, but if you don't watch any other video I suggest, please just watch this one.

This will blow your mind, I promise you!


Disclosure Project

Google video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1...closure+project

or if you prefer watch it on YouTube, which loads a little faster:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

another source:

http://www.netro.ca/disclosure/npccmenu.htm


In front of the national press club on May 9th, 2001, government/military people, willing to testify under oath before congress, revealed their involvement in deep black classified projects involving UFOs and aliens. The entire video is two hours long, but the information presented will literally blow your mind! Here's the link, you know what to do:

http://www.netro.ca/disclosure/npccmenu.htm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1776848428018799270&q=disclosure+project
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

You can stream it off the site, or download it.

The above link is from the home Page of the Disclosure Project: http://www.disclosureproject.org/

Here is a brief discription of what the Disclosure Project is about:

The Disclosure Project- is a nonprofit research project working to fully disclose the facts about UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence, and classified advanced energy and propulsion systems. We have over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret.

The recorded testimony of scores of military, government and other witnesses to Unidentified Flying Objects and Extraterrestrial events and projects from around the world establishes the existence of a UFO/Extraterrestrial presence on and around Earth. This recorded testimony consists of dozens of first-hand, often top-secret witnesses to UFO and Extraterrestrial events, internal UFO-related government projects and covert activities, space-based weapons programs, Extraterrestrial Intelligence, and covert, reverse-engineered energy and propulsion system projects. The technologies that are of an Extraterrestrial origin, when publicly released within a planned transition period, will provide solutions to global environmental and security challenges.

These numerous recorded witnesses constitute only a small portion of a vast pool of identified present or former military, intelligence, corporate, aviator, flight control, law enforcement officers, scientists and other witnesses, who will come forward when subpoenaed to testify at Congressional hearings. Without a grant of immunity releasing them from their security oaths, many such unimpeachable witnesses fear to speak out.

Interest you? Watch the press conference that has never been made widley available to the public. Here it is please watch it.

http://www.netro.ca/disclosure/npccmenu.htm

Learn what has been kept a secret from you and the world. Interesting how the mainstream press while aware of the evidence, refuses to reveal it.

This video from CNN about the Disclosure project proves the Disclosure press conference was not staged, as some people think:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1166743665260900218
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scoobysnack



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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:17 pm    Post subject:  

MEDIA PLAY

by Steven M. Greer M.D.
Director, The Disclosure Project

http://www.disclosureproject.org

Copyright 2004



Conventional Wisdom has it that we live in a free and open society with a free press, which plays the role of a key check and balance on government secrecy and abuse. This and other fantasies, foisted on a gullible public, have enabled runaway illegal secret projects to get away with murder, and they are now on the verge of planeticide - the killing of an entire planet.

The truth is that we have free media - so long as it is inconsequential. That is, freedom of the press exists so long as it is exercised within a certain sphere of influence that does not reach a critical mass of significance. Sure, you can say and write anything - so long as it does not get placed in front of the masses in an honest way. The quaint notion of a free press, serving as the Fourth Estate and watching vigilantly over the interests of The People is one of the great lies perpetrated by the government, and by the corporate media itself. Every insider knows this is a lie.

Big Media must be distinguished from the media in general, insofar as the former is utterly corrupted and the latter is sequestered into spheres of limited influence and significance. Mass retail media - the nightly news, CNN, The NY Times, The Washington Post, Newsweek, Time and the like are less free on anything of real significance than the media of many third world countries - or even communist China.

We know, because we have beta tested the system. (More on this later.)

The implications of this corruption cannot be overestimated. In the world today, the corrupt, dumbed-down and controlled Big Media is the central reason for significant investigations being killed, illegal secrecy persisting and major scientific breakthroughs being suppressed.

Without the cooperation, compliance and corruption of Big Media, the shadowy programs that keep the world burning could in no way prevail. In fact, when recently asked by a member of Congress how these illegal operations persist and flourish, I had to tell him it was primarily due to the fact that Big Media give them a free pass.

Years ago, while at a gathering in New York City with Laurence Rockefeller and a few other influential people in the city, Bob Schwartz, a noted journalist who had been on the Board of Time Life (before it was Time Warner, or AOL Time Warner etc, etc) flat out told me that the Big Media "…had become scribes taking dictation from the right hand of the king…" rather than really functioning as a free press and the Fourth Estate. He proceeded to tell me how he had given his friend Mike Wallace of CBS' 60 Minutes a number of government documents on UFOs, and that Mr. Wallace wanted to pursue the story, but ultimately dropped it due to pressure from 'somewhere'.

Now, Big Media will tell you that the UFO matter is closed, that the Air Force looked into UFOs and ended Project Blue Book with a report from the Condon Committee that essentially said there was nothing to study. This is one of the Big Lies and can be proven to be so. But every Big Media outlet in the US holds to this line, notwithstanding overwhelming evidence to the contrary - and the fact that we can now prove that Dr. Condon himself corrupted the study and was on the payroll of the shadowy projects keeping the matter secret!

Essentially, America has no free press of any significance when it comes to real investigative reporting, government secrecy or serious technology breakthroughs dealing with energy and propulsion systems that could replace Big Oil. The Big Media is vertically and horizontally integrated into a large corporate and quasi-governmental matrix of shadowy interests and corrupting influences. In no way is the major media in America free, nor has it been for decades.

In the late 1990s I met with a senior reporter for the Washington Post, whose beat included government, military and national security issues, who told me that he was sitting on rather explosive files on a number of issues (hint: we were talking about secret underground facilities and certain genetic experiments that are ongoing). When I asked him when they would run that story he winked and said, "Oh Dr. Greer, you know that nothing important is ever printed in the Washington Post. We will never print that kind of story and, if anything, we will work to debunk it if it appears anywhere else…" When I asked him, "Well what about the Fourth Estate - our free media being a check and balance on government and extreme secrecy that is out of control?" he said, "You know that doesn't exist anymore…" We had a drink and went on our way.

Senior government officials, members of Congress and top Pentagon officials with whom I have met have cited media infiltration, corruption and ridicule as the main reason they steer clear of certain areas. Why look into super-secret UFO related projects if you will only be shellacked by the Big Media as Senator Moon Beam?

Of course, many people in the media never look into these issues since they have blindly accepted the party line and bought into the ridicule and disinformation surrounding the subject. A lack of independent investigation, and a prevailing prejudice, prevents most journalists from even giving a cursory look into these controversies. A senior editor for the Boston Globe once told me that they would never run a story on UFOs "…even if you put a dead ET on my desk…" since such topics were the stuff of the low-end tabloids. (I guess 24/7 coverage of titillating details of sexual escapades and lurid murders are ok, however.) Persistent ridicule and a glib dismissal of 'conspiracy' theorists and 'UFO believers' are about as far as most journalists get. The facts are seldom investigated, and on the rare occasion when they are, the story is blocked.

It is also an open secret that the intelligence community has infiltrated and used the media for decades. What is not acknowledged is the extent to which the Big Media are controlled by corrupt interests that are the antithesis of freedom. It is a pervasive problem that is subtly managed very quietly, but anyone who has gotten close to the truth on a really Big Story that these interests want kept secret know what happens.

Such journalists walk into the mother of all buzzsaws, and learn very quickly how un-free the Big Media really is. Into The Buzzsaw, with a foreword by Gore Vidal, is a book that recounts the experiences of a number of journalists who came across a story that 'they' did not want out -and who found out how ruthless media suppression really is.

The crown jewel of secrecy is the collection of projects that deal with advanced technologies, energy systems, propulsion systems - and UFO matters - that, once disclosed, would end the need for oil, gas, coal or nuclear power. The corruption and secrecy surrounding this issue is like none other - it is in a class of its own. The media can only cover the subject either in a cavalier or dismissive way - or through direct disinformation and ridicule. No honest investigative report has ever appeared, over time, on this subject in any Big Media outlet - not in over 50 years of secrecy. Why?

Because they are not allowed to do it. And if they did, it would mark the end of their career and possibly their lives. It is not an overstatement to say that I have spoken to mainstream journalist who evince palpable fear when the matter is brought up.

Of course, because of sensational cases of 'investigative reporting' like Watergate, Monica-gate and the like, the public believe the media is this fierce watch dog guarding the interests of the people and courageously ferreting out the truth. If only.

Sure, Big Media can have 24/7 coverage of trivial matters like a President's private sex life (NEWS FLASH: Powerful men are known to have affairs and may even - gasp - lie about it!). Or a bungled and clumsy break-in at the Watergate. But the really big stories are never printed, the research is not allowed, and the truth is only whispered about privately, and carefully.

Shills in the Big Media are the central reason why the truth about many matters of great importance will never be told. Sure they will tell you about a titillating scandal, or about a tax cut, or a bombing. But get close to stories related to real power, and these Big Media hacks run the other way.

The proof?

In May of 2001, The Disclosure Project (www.DisclosureProject.org) held a major international press conference at the National Press Club in Washington DC. Hosted by legendary White House reporter Sarah McClendon, the event featured over 20 top-secret government, military, intelligence and corporate witnesses to UFO events and projects. No flakes amongst these: The witness testimony presented ranged from Brig. General to Colonels to a top FAA official. The National Press Club ballroom was packed with media from around the world and the event was - briefly - reported on CNN, BBC, Fox and many other outlets.

This two-hour event was the most watched live press event on the Internet and eventually over 1 million people saw the event on the net. We called for a full investigation into illegal covert programs dealing with UFOs and covert energy and propulsion projects. Congressional hearings were requested and the media were asked to fully investigate the matter. Tens of thousands of people wrote members of Congress and the US President asking for full, open, honest hearings at which some of the over 400 military and government-connected witnesses identified by The Disclosure Project could testify. (The reader may read the testimony of over 5 dozen of these witnesses in the book Disclosure or view their testimony at www.DisclosureProject.org).

Interestingly, the first hour of the event was externally electronically jammed by "someone outside the Press Club", according to Internet hosting company Connect Live. (Sources later confirmed that this was an electronic warfare jamming of the broadcast.)

Senior producers at two Big Media networks, who had been briefed in advance and were planning major exposes in their newsmagazine programs, later told me that they were not allowed to go forward with their investigations or broadcast the programs. When I asked why, they simply said, "They just won't let us do it." And when I ask who are 'they', I was told, "Dr. Greer, you know who they are…"

Indeed.

Here, smoking gun evidence, official government documents and dozens of credible, corroborated, top-secret witnesses were presented to the world's major media - and Big Media did virtually nothing. On major stories, involving controversial matters, I am told the New York Times requires three points of corroboration. Here, dozens were presented, from men and women with impeccable credentials and high national security clearances - and they were not anonymous sources, but presented with name, rank and serial number! But the coverage was brief (just enough to allow for 'plausible freedom of the press', I am told by insiders) and then quickly taken down. And no Big Media entity was allowed to do serious follow-up investigations. And none have occurred up to this date.

Such 'editorial discretion' has been abused hundreds of times to keep big stories out of the major media. People do not realize it, but we already live in an extremely controlled and closed society that is micro-managed by an elite few - all the while looking populist, democratic and open. As I write this a few miles from Thomas Jefferson's home, Monticello, I can feel him spinning in his grave…

Meanwhile, it is up to us to get the truth out, notwithstanding the overwhelming force and corruption of the Big Media. It is almost too late - but not quite. With a Herculean effort, we might yet get the facts out before the public before the control freaks run the entire biosphere into the ground and we end up, Mad Max-like, fighting over the last barrel of oil in endless oil wars.

Perhaps someone in Big Media will step up to the plate and do the matter justice. But more likely, we need to identify a financial sponsor to start what I am calling "The Disclosure Network" via satellite. With adequate funding, we could begin real investigative reporting on issues that really matter - and renew the promise of a free press.

Until then, spread the word and get the truth out. Ultimately, if the people will lead the leaders will follow. Time is getting short for the corrupt corporate Big Media to regain its role as the Fourth Estate. And the earth cannot take another 50 years of ecological abuse, geopolitical instability born out of the injustice of poverty, and more oil wars. It is up to us to change course and create the sustainable civilization necessary for peace. For without peace there can be no future - and peace is impossible without truth, an open society and justice. There is time to act, but we must act now.

Steven M. Greer MD
Director, Disclosure Project
http://www.DisclosureProject.org
29 April 2004
Albemarle County, Virginia




Source: http://www.disclosureproject.org/mediaplay.htm
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:22 pm    Post subject:  

I think a lot of Christians would think they were demonic beings.

It would not affect my faith all that much. My knowledge of God is verified by the Near Death Experiances, which verify the existance of God.

For those of you interested, check out this link:

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/research21.html

or for more general info:

http://www.near-death.com
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Lumina



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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:04 pm    Post subject:  

I guess I'm just an advocate of KISS. For me, it's enough to have complete faith in our Father's will and protection. I don't have all the answers, and I don't know the future...but I do know who holds the future in His hands.
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:38 am    Post subject:  

Scoobysnack, it's true that the government has classified many documents relating to UFOs, but I think it has more to do with keeping military secrets rather than an alien conspiracy.
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