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[psholtz]

MG1962 wrote: Reallly a better question is who cares. I posed the question - is Bush equal in tyranny to Stalin Hitler and Mao. The resounding response was yes.

So what are you going to do about it?

Give me a long list of irrelevant personalities.

Where is George Washington, Jefferson - the founding fathers. Why are you not invoking these American heros against oppression. The Declaration of Independence, the Spirit of 76 - Even the Minutemen.

You are claiming you have the greatest despot running your nation from the last hundred years - and all you wanna do is talk

And talk

and talk


There are people all over the world puting themselves at risk for what they believe in.

What are you risking?

Nothing - and shows just how much spin you really have, or how much you really believe what you say
But why do you even care?

You're from Australia.. You're not an American.

Obviously what Norrin and I have and others have to say is not intended for you. We're passing back information to educate ourselves and to make sure we're as well informed about the Enemy as possible. You clearly don't care about this, and we clearly don't care about you..

So why do you keep chiming in w/ the same lame responses over and over and over and over again?

[Wizard From Oz]

Quote: But why do you even care?

You're from Australia.. You're not an American.

Obviously what Norrin and I have and others have to say is not intended for you. We're passing back information to educate ourselves and to make sure we're as well informed about the Enemy as possible. You clearly don't care about this, and we clearly don't care about you..

So why do you keep chiming in w/ the same lame responses over and over and over and over again?

Cause if I was faced with the same issue I would be doing more than sitting at a computer swapping information. I'd actually be doing something about it

[psholtz]

MG1962 wrote: Quote: But why do you even care?

You're from Australia.. You're not an American.

Obviously what Norrin and I have and others have to say is not intended for you. We're passing back information to educate ourselves and to make sure we're as well informed about the Enemy as possible. You clearly don't care about this, and we clearly don't care about you..

So why do you keep chiming in w/ the same lame responses over and over and over and over again?

Cause if I was faced with the same issue I would be doing more than sitting at a computer swapping information. I'd actually be doing something about it
You do face the issue and you're doing absolutely nothing about.. :lol:

This is the imposition of a worldwide police state we're talking about. If you think Australia is somehow going to be "skipped" or "overlooked" you're very sadly mistaken.

Besides, your points are off topic.

Like usual, you're just descending into attacking other posters, rather than debating the topics.

I personally couldn't care less for what you might or might not do. I don't think anyone else on this forum does either, and I think your inflated statements about what you might or might not do are to noone's interest.

If you're interested in debating real topics, then please proceed.

[Patriot911]

Norrin Radd wrote: Tell me how I can convince people to educate themselves and I will do it.

OK, you didn't like my first answer even though I was being honest and was giving my true opinion.

Norrin Radd wrote: Only a tiny percentage of people know who founded the CFR and what their goals are.
Basically the same members as those who founded the Federal Reserve. J.P. Morgan, John D Rockefeller, Paul Warburg, Otto Kahn, and Jacob Schiff. Their stated goal then as it is now is to make sure America keeps involved in International affairs.

So whats your point? That you need someone to blame?

The CFR has done nothing wrong. Your claim of it being some kind of threat is unfounded.

Norrin Radd wrote: Only a tiny percentage of people know who founded the Trilateral Commission and what their goals are.
David Rockefeller fouded the Trilateral Commission in 1973 when the Bilderburg refused to admit Japan. Their stated goals are the same as the CFR.

Again, whats your point?

Norrin Radd wrote: Only a tiny percentage of people have ever heard of the Reece committee, Norman Dodd and Rene Wormser.
The Reece committee was formed in 1953. No WONDER so few people have heard of it. You would have to be some kind of nut to keep a committees findings back in 1953 so near and dear to your heart after over fifty years. Yup. I am sure the world hasn't changed a bit since then, especially in regards to politics. :roll:

Norrin Radd wrote: Few Americans know who Wm. E. Dodd was and what he told us about US coprorate invovlement in the fscist regimes of Germany and Italy.
He was FDR's ambassador to Germany. He is known for the following quote;

Quote: "Fascism is on the march today in America. Millionaires are marching to the tune. It will come in this country unless a strong defense is set up by all liberal and progressive forces... A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government, and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. Aboard ship a prominent executive of one of America's largest financial corporations told me point blank that if the progressive trend of the Roosevelt administration continued, he would be ready to take definite action to bring fascism to America."

Did you know his son, daughter and son in law were Soviet spies?

Nope. Sure doesn't sound like he and his family had any kind of agenda themselves now does it. ;-)

Norrin Radd wrote: Few Americans know which Congressmen have introduced legislation to repeal the Federal Reserve Act and why.
Ron Paul in order to increase his personal wealth due to the investments he has been making for years in gold and other precious metals mining operations and in the metals themselves. Probably not the answer you WANTED to hear. ;-)

Norrin Radd wrote: Few Americans know what Congressmen Larry P. McDoanld said in his intro to the book the Rockefeller File.
Nor do many people care. Why? Because they don't see the rich as some evil force out to dominate the world.

Norrin Radd wrote: Few Americans can tell me anything about MAB, Agenda 21, the Rights of the Child Treaty, or the Treaty on Desertification.
UN programs. Bad ones. Ones that the US generally refuses to go along with.

Norrin Radd wrote: Most Americans don't know who was awarded the Global Governance award in 1992, or 1999 and why.
Most Americans (or anyone else for that matter) don't give a rat's patootie for the Global Governance award or what it is or who the people that give it out are (World Federalist Association).

Strobe Talbot won in 1992. He predicts no nations within the next 100 years.

Walter Cronkite won in 1999. He too wants one world government.

So? You're so paranoid you wish to point to this as some kind of conspiracy against our nation by a reporter and an advisor? :roll:

Norrin Radd wrote: More questions most Americans can't answer.........

What did Barry Goldwater claim was the goal of the Trilateral Commission?
"It is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial, and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States."

So? That is Barry Goldwater's opinion. Why hasn't it happened yet? They've had HOW many years since Goldwater made this pronouncement?

:roll:

Norrin Radd wrote: What did Congressman Oscar Callaway claim happened to our media?
That they were bought out by the Rockefellers. This was a quote in 1917. Boy, you really have to go back a long way to try and find quotes, don'tcha. ;-) Of course this is an unbacked up claim that has no proof then and no proof now. But when have you cared about real proof when the idea of a boogieman is so much more appealing, right?

Norrin Radd wrote: What did Senator WM. Fullbright claim about the "elites"?

Well, besides the fact you got his name wrong, you're going to have to clue us in here. Several Google searches for what he may have said about the elites came up empty.

Norrin Radd wrote: What did Senator Daniel K. Inouye say during the Iran Contra Hearings?
You want the entire record?!? :shock: How about quit being so vague and tell us what point you are trying to make other than if someone says something you like, they HAVE to be correct even if it is only their opinion.

Norrin Radd wrote: What did Congressman Louis T. McFaden accuse the FED of on the house floor?

Again, please try to get people's names right. If you're going to give a test, the LEAST you can do is be thorough. ;-)

McFadden claimed that the FED was one of the most corrupt institutions he had ever known. He claimed the FED ruined and impoverished the people of the United States, bankrupted itself and nearly bankrupted the government.

He said this in 1934. We're doing pretty good for a bankrupt nation where the FED had ruined and impoverished the people. ;-)

Norrin Radd wrote: What did Congressman John Rarick say about the CFR?

Quote: "The CFR is the establishment. Not only does it have influence and power in key decision-making positions at the highest levels of government to apply pressure from above, but it also finances and uses individuals and groups to bring pressure from below, to justify the high level decisions for converting the U.S. from a sovereign Constitution Republic into a servile member of a one-world dictatorship."

Again, he is entitled to his opinion and you are entitled to suck up to him and believe whatever he says. That doesn't make it true. ;-)

Norrin Radd wrote: Who said the following and why should we care?????

"If instant world government, Charter review, and a greatly strengthened International Court do not provide the answers, what hope for progress is there? The answer will not satisfy those who seek simple solutions to complex problems, but it comes down essentially to this: The hope for the foreseeable lies, not in building up a few ambitious central institutions of universal membership and general jurisdiction as was envisaged at the end of the last war, but rather in the much more decentralized, disorderly and pragmatic process of inventing or adapting institutions of limited jurisdiction and selected membership to deal with specific problems on a case-by-case basis ... In short, the 'house of world order' will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like a great 'booming, buzzing confusion,' to use William James' famous description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault."

Richard N. Gardner back in 1974. Again, he is stating his opinion.

Norrin Radd wrote: I could go on and on, but the American people are clueless as to what is really going on in the world.

No, they are clueless as to what you believe is going on in the world. These conspiracies have been going on for decades and all the dire predictions from these conspiracy nuts have not come true.

Norrin Radd wrote: Right now there are numerous people trying to get the word out, people Dr. Monteith and Dr. Cuddy, but still, most Americans remain clueless.
Mainly because they don't believe you. You and your crowd have done a piss poor job of proving your case. You bring up quotes from long ago from people stating an opinion and believe it to be the God's honest truth no matter WHAT the facts are. :roll: Most people aren't going to base their entire viewpoint on the obscure opinions of a few people long since dead. The ONLY reason anyone even sees these quotes anymore is because people like you dredge them up as evidence.

Norrin Radd wrote: Most Americans do not want to hear the truth for they know the truth would shatter the imaginary world in which they live, so they choose instead to live in blissful ignorance.
Either that or they don't want to be ruled by paranoia, fear and isolationism.

Norrin Radd wrote: So, how do I get the American people to spend a few thousand hours to educate themselves?

I already answered that. ;-) You are entitled to your opinion of the world. That doesn't mean it is the truth or that you should take it upon yourself to force your opinion on to others as though it were the truth.

Most people, if forced, would take your body of work, spend about half an hour reading it, and come to the realization that it is nothing more than a bunch of disjointed assumptions tied loosely together with opinions and quotes that, in the end, really doesn't prove a whole lot.

[Wizard From Oz]

This is the imposition of a worldwide police state we're talking about. If you think Australia is somehow going to be "skipped" or "overlooked" you're very sadly mistaken.
Besides, your points are off topic.

Try re- reading the orginal post. I asked a direct opinion regarding George Bush. I have to believe in a NWO and worldwide police state first before I worry about taking action. The fact I dont believe in either means I am in fact taking the correct course of action relative to my thoughts and convictions

Like usual, you're just descending into attacking other posters, rather than debating the topics.

If pointing out hypocricy is an attack - then so be it. This forum has a moderating system - Feel free to report any of my posts and let them decide if my actions are out of order

I personally couldn't care less for what you might or might not do. I don't think anyone else on this forum does either, and I think your inflated statements about what you might or might not do are to noone's interest.

Simple then get out of the discussion. Given you asked the question. It would be rude of me not to reply

If you're interested in debating real topics, then please proceed.

When you are prepared to offer some real topics I will be happy to comply.
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[Norrin Radd]

Patriot911 wrote: Norrin Radd wrote: Tell me how I can convince people to educate themselves and I will do it.

OK, you didn't like my first answer even though I was being honest and was giving my true opinion.

Norrin Radd wrote: Only a tiny percentage of people know who founded the CFR and what their goals are.
Basically the same members as those who founded the Federal Reserve. J.P. Morgan, John D Rockefeller, Paul Warburg, Otto Kahn, and Jacob Schiff. Their stated goal then as it is now is to make sure America keeps involved in International affairs.

So whats your point? That you need someone to blame?

The CFR has done nothing wrong. Your claim of it being some kind of threat is unfounded.

Norrin Radd wrote: Only a tiny percentage of people know who founded the Trilateral Commission and what their goals are.
David Rockefeller fouded the Trilateral Commission in 1973 when the Bilderburg refused to admit Japan. Their stated goals are the same as the CFR.

Again, whats your point?

Norrin Radd wrote: Only a tiny percentage of people have ever heard of the Reece committee, Norman Dodd and Rene Wormser.
The Reece committee was formed in 1953. No WONDER so few people have heard of it. You would have to be some kind of nut to keep a committees findings back in 1953 so near and dear to your heart after over fifty years. Yup. I am sure the world hasn't changed a bit since then, especially in regards to politics. :roll:

Norrin Radd wrote: Few Americans know who Wm. E. Dodd was and what he told us about US coprorate invovlement in the fscist regimes of Germany and Italy.
He was FDR's ambassador to Germany. He is known for the following quote;

Quote: "Fascism is on the march today in America. Millionaires are marching to the tune. It will come in this country unless a strong defense is set up by all liberal and progressive forces... A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government, and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. Aboard ship a prominent executive of one of America's largest financial corporations told me point blank that if the progressive trend of the Roosevelt administration continued, he would be ready to take definite action to bring fascism to America."

Did you know his son, daughter and son in law were Soviet spies?

Nope. Sure doesn't sound like he and his family had any kind of agenda themselves now does it. ;-)

Norrin Radd wrote: Few Americans know which Congressmen have introduced legislation to repeal the Federal Reserve Act and why.
Ron Paul in order to increase his personal wealth due to the investments he has been making for years in gold and other precious metals mining operations and in the metals themselves. Probably not the answer you WANTED to hear. ;-)

Norrin Radd wrote: Few Americans know what Congressmen Larry P. McDoanld said in his intro to the book the Rockefeller File.
Nor do many people care. Why? Because they don't see the rich as some evil force out to dominate the world.

Norrin Radd wrote: Few Americans can tell me anything about MAB, Agenda 21, the Rights of the Child Treaty, or the Treaty on Desertification.
UN programs. Bad ones. Ones that the US generally refuses to go along with.

Norrin Radd wrote: Most Americans don't know who was awarded the Global Governance award in 1992, or 1999 and why.
Most Americans (or anyone else for that matter) don't give a rat's patootie for the Global Governance award or what it is or who the people that give it out are (World Federalist Association).

Strobe Talbot won in 1992. He predicts no nations within the next 100 years.

Walter Cronkite won in 1999. He too wants one world government.

So? You're so paranoid you wish to point to this as some kind of conspiracy against our nation by a reporter and an advisor? :roll:

Norrin Radd wrote: More questions most Americans can't answer.........

What did Barry Goldwater claim was the goal of the Trilateral Commission?
"It is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial, and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States."

So? That is Barry Goldwater's opinion. Why hasn't it happened yet? They've had HOW many years since Goldwater made this pronouncement?

:roll:

Norrin Radd wrote: What did Congressman Oscar Callaway claim happened to our media?
That they were bought out by the Rockefellers. This was a quote in 1917. Boy, you really have to go back a long way to try and find quotes, don'tcha. ;-) Of course this is an unbacked up claim that has no proof then and no proof now. But when have you cared about real proof when the idea of a boogieman is so much more appealing, right?

Norrin Radd wrote: What did Senator WM. Fullbright claim about the "elites"?

Well, besides the fact you got his name wrong, you're going to have to clue us in here. Several Google searches for what he may have said about the elites came up empty.

Norrin Radd wrote: What did Senator Daniel K. Inouye say during the Iran Contra Hearings?
You want the entire record?!? :shock: How about quit being so vague and tell us what point you are trying to make other than if someone says something you like, they HAVE to be correct even if it is only their opinion.

Norrin Radd wrote: What did Congressman Louis T. McFaden accuse the FED of on the house floor?

Again, please try to get people's names right. If you're going to give a test, the LEAST you can do is be thorough. ;-)

McFadden claimed that the FED was one of the most corrupt institutions he had ever known. He claimed the FED ruined and impoverished the people of the United States, bankrupted itself and nearly bankrupted the government.

He said this in 1934. We're doing pretty good for a bankrupt nation where the FED had ruined and impoverished the people. ;-)

Norrin Radd wrote: What did Congressman John Rarick say about the CFR?

Quote: "The CFR is the establishment. Not only does it have influence and power in key decision-making positions at the highest levels of government to apply pressure from above, but it also finances and uses individuals and groups to bring pressure from below, to justify the high level decisions for converting the U.S. from a sovereign Constitution Republic into a servile member of a one-world dictatorship."

Again, he is entitled to his opinion and you are entitled to suck up to him and believe whatever he says. That doesn't make it true. ;-)

Norrin Radd wrote: Who said the following and why should we care?????

"If instant world government, Charter review, and a greatly strengthened International Court do not provide the answers, what hope for progress is there? The answer will not satisfy those who seek simple solutions to complex problems, but it comes down essentially to this: The hope for the foreseeable lies, not in building up a few ambitious central institutions of universal membership and general jurisdiction as was envisaged at the end of the last war, but rather in the much more decentralized, disorderly and pragmatic process of inventing or adapting institutions of limited jurisdiction and selected membership to deal with specific problems on a case-by-case basis ... In short, the 'house of world order' will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like a great 'booming, buzzing confusion,' to use William James' famous description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault."

Richard N. Gardner back in 1974. Again, he is stating his opinion.

Norrin Radd wrote: I could go on and on, but the American people are clueless as to what is really going on in the world.

No, they are clueless as to what you believe is going on in the world. These conspiracies have been going on for decades and all the dire predictions from these conspiracy nuts have not come true.

Norrin Radd wrote: Right now there are numerous people trying to get the word out, people Dr. Monteith and Dr. Cuddy, but still, most Americans remain clueless.
Mainly because they don't believe you. You and your crowd have done a piss poor job of proving your case. You bring up quotes from long ago from people stating an opinion and believe it to be the God's honest truth no matter WHAT the facts are. :roll: Most people aren't going to base their entire viewpoint on the obscure opinions of a few people long since dead. The ONLY reason anyone even sees these quotes anymore is because people like you dredge them up as evidence.

Norrin Radd wrote: Most Americans do not want to hear the truth for they know the truth would shatter the imaginary world in which they live, so they choose instead to live in blissful ignorance.
Either that or they don't want to be ruled by paranoia, fear and isolationism.

Norrin Radd wrote: So, how do I get the American people to spend a few thousand hours to educate themselves?

I already answered that. ;-) You are entitled to your opinion of the world. That doesn't mean it is the truth or that you should take it upon yourself to force your opinion on to others as though it were the truth.

Most people, if forced, would take your body of work, spend about half an hour reading it, and come to the realization that it is nothing more than a bunch of disjointed assumptions tied loosely together with opinions and quotes that, in the end, really doesn't prove a whole lot.

I am shocked you actually took the time to look up that information. Not that I am at all surprised by how quickly you dismissed all of the information.

You failed to mention one of the most important founders of the CFR.

The person you failed to mention was very influential in the first half of the 20th century in US politics and has even been called President Wilson's "alter ego".

You also failed to mention one of the founders of the Trilateral Commission. Why is that?

Here, I will give you a hint, the person you left out said........

"In the Technotronic Age, the ‘nation state as a fundamental unit of man’s organized life has ceased to be the principal creative force: International banks and multinational corporations are acting and planning in terms that are far in advance of the political concepts of the nation-state.’"


Sorry I mispelled some of the names making your research more difficult, but if you were as educated as you pretend to be, you wold have already known about most of this information.

Strobe Talbot received the global governance award while he was deputy secretary of state. Doesn't it bother you that a person in high office in the US government received this award? He was congragulated by the Clintons for this award, as was Cronkite. I would think people would find it interesting that the president of the US congragulated people for stating that in the near future nation states will be obsolete and that all nations will bow to a single global authority.

As to believing all of the information that I eluded to, that is up to each individual. I am not saying that everyone should belive all of it, but they should at least BE AWARE OF IT.

Also, you are wrong about Ron Paul and to even say such a thing is more proof that you are not a good person. At least two other Congressmen introduced legislation to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, who were they and why did they do that?

You have proven you back the establishment on every issue, so why you bother to come here is truly a mystery. If I want to know what you think about a topic, or issue, I can just turn on the t.v. and listen to the estbalishment mouthpieces.

[Patriot911]

Norrin Radd wrote: I am shocked you actually took the time to look up that information. Not that I am at all surprised by how quickly you dismissed all of the information.

Neither am I. Basing conspiracies on quotes based on opinions is a sure fire way of being suckered.

Norrin Radd wrote: You failed to mention one of the most important founders of the CFR.

The person you failed to mention was very influential in the first half of the 20th century in US politics and has even been called President Wilson's "alter ego".

Bernard Baruch. The initial sites I looked up didn't even mention him. :roll: Apparently he wasn't all that important to some conspiracy sites.

Norrin Radd wrote: You also failed to mention one of the founders of the Trilateral Commission. Why is that?

Here, I will give you a hint, the person you left out said........

"In the Technotronic Age, the ‘nation state as a fundamental unit of man’s organized life has ceased to be the principal creative force: International banks and multinational corporations are acting and planning in terms that are far in advance of the political concepts of the nation-state.’"

Zbigniew Brzezinski. So whats your point?

Norrin Radd wrote: Sorry I mispelled some of the names making your research more difficult, but if you were as educated as you pretend to be, you wold have already known about most of this information.

It is only your mistaken assertion that I didn't already know most of this information. You really should try to learn the facts before making yourself look like a fool by making foolish assertions. All I claimed is that you misspelled the names of some of the people you wish people knew more about. You're the one who assumed incorrectly that I needed the correct spelling to do research. Nice personal attack though. ;-)

Norrin Radd wrote: Strobe Talbot received the global governance award while he was deputy secretary of state. Doesn't it bother you that a person in high office in the US government received this award? He was congragulated by the Clintons for this award, as was Cronkite. I would think people would find it interesting that the president of the US congragulated people for stating that in the near future nation states will be obsolete and that all nations will bow to a single global authority.

So now people aren't allowed to state their opinions? Wow. What ever happened to the first amendment? What would you have them do? Throw Talbot and Cronkite into jail? Monitor all airwaves for anyone speaking out against the US's sovereignty? Sounds like you want a police state. ;-)

Norrin Radd wrote: As to believing all of the information that I eluded to, that is up to each individual. I am not saying that everyone should belive all of it, but they should at least BE AWARE OF IT.
Most people are aware of the conspiracy theories out there about the Illuminati and the NWO etc. You're just going to have a hard time getting many to believe ANY of it.

Norrin Radd wrote: Also, you are wrong about Ron Paul and to even say such a thing is more proof that you are not a good person. At least two other Congressmen introduced legislation to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, who were they and why did they do that?
Wow. So now you can make a judgement call about me as a person just because I see someone actively trying to manipulate the system for his own personal gain? Is that the only defense you have for him? A personal attack on the messenger's "goodness"?

Personally I don't care if you think I am a bad person just because I >>GASP<< question a politician's motives.

Norrin Radd wrote: You have proven you back the establishment on every issue, so why you bother to come here is truly a mystery. If I want to know what you think about a topic, or issue, I can just turn on the t.v. and listen to the estbalishment mouthpieces.

Already answered this in your Pearl Harbor thread. Too bad you have to always repeat yourself. Makes you look twice as bad when you put your foot in your mouth twice.

[Norrin Radd]

Patriot911 wrote: Norrin Radd wrote: I am shocked you actually took the time to look up that information. Not that I am at all surprised by how quickly you dismissed all of the information.

Neither am I. Basing conspiracies on quotes based on opinions is a sure fire way of being suckered.

Norrin Radd wrote: You failed to mention one of the most important founders of the CFR.

The person you failed to mention was very influential in the first half of the 20th century in US politics and has even been called President Wilson's "alter ego".

Bernard Baruch. The initial sites I looked up didn't even mention him. :roll: Apparently he wasn't all that important to some conspiracy sites.

Norrin Radd wrote: You also failed to mention one of the founders of the Trilateral Commission. Why is that?

Here, I will give you a hint, the person you left out said........

"In the Technotronic Age, the ‘nation state as a fundamental unit of man’s organized life has ceased to be the principal creative force: International banks and multinational corporations are acting and planning in terms that are far in advance of the political concepts of the nation-state.’"

Zbigniew Brzezinski. So whats your point?

Norrin Radd wrote: Sorry I mispelled some of the names making your research more difficult, but if you were as educated as you pretend to be, you wold have already known about most of this information.

It is only your mistaken assertion that I didn't already know most of this information. You really should try to learn the facts before making yourself look like a fool by making foolish assertions. All I claimed is that you misspelled the names of some of the people you wish people knew more about. You're the one who assumed incorrectly that I needed the correct spelling to do research. Nice personal attack though. ;-)

Norrin Radd wrote: Strobe Talbot received the global governance award while he was deputy secretary of state. Doesn't it bother you that a person in high office in the US government received this award? He was congragulated by the Clintons for this award, as was Cronkite. I would think people would find it interesting that the president of the US congragulated people for stating that in the near future nation states will be obsolete and that all nations will bow to a single global authority.

So now people aren't allowed to state their opinions? Wow. What ever happened to the first amendment? What would you have them do? Throw Talbot and Cronkite into jail? Monitor all airwaves for anyone speaking out against the US's sovereignty? Sounds like you want a police state. ;-)

Norrin Radd wrote: As to believing all of the information that I eluded to, that is up to each individual. I am not saying that everyone should belive all of it, but they should at least BE AWARE OF IT.
Most people are aware of the conspiracy theories out there about the Illuminati and the NWO etc. You're just going to have a hard time getting many to believe ANY of it.

Norrin Radd wrote: Also, you are wrong about Ron Paul and to even say such a thing is more proof that you are not a good person. At least two other Congressmen introduced legislation to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, who were they and why did they do that?
Wow. So now you can make a judgement call about me as a person just because I see someone actively trying to manipulate the system for his own personal gain? Is that the only defense you have for him? A personal attack on the messenger's "goodness"?

Personally I don't care if you think I am a bad person just because I >>GASP<< question a politician's motives.

Norrin Radd wrote: You have proven you back the establishment on every issue, so why you bother to come here is truly a mystery. If I want to know what you think about a topic, or issue, I can just turn on the t.v. and listen to the estbalishment mouthpieces.

Already answered this in your Pearl Harbor thread. Too bad you have to always repeat yourself. Makes you look twice as bad when you put your foot in your mouth twice.

You proved by your reposnses that you did not know all of this information, mostly because you got so much of it wrong.

In this latest post you said.........

"Bernard Baruch. The initial sites I looked up didn't even mention him. :roll: Apparently he wasn't all that important to some conspiracy sites."

When did you look at these initial sites?

btw, Bernard Baruch is the wrong answer. It appears you don't even know who was considered Woodrow Wilson's alter ego.

Col. House was one of the most influential people in US politics in the early part of the 20th century. The fact that most Americans know nothing about him is proof of how little the people know about what is really going on in the world.

As to Ron Paul, please feel free to post any evidence of any wrong doing by the only patriot in Congress.

My point about Brzezinski is obvious to people who have actually done the research and not just pretended to do so, as you have. There are several people here who can tell you the significance of Brzezinski being a founder of the Trilateral Commission, maybe one of them can help you out.

As to Cronkite, I could care less about his opinions, but when a president congragulatges him for promoting world government, then I care. With Talbot it is a little different, as he was a government official. When a president who has sworn an oath to uphold the constitution congragulates people for promoting world government, I would think people who are truly PATRIOTIC, would be interested. Of course this only applys to actual patriots and not pretenders like you.

I was wondering, do you intentionally do such poor research, or are you actually this careless? I must say, I think most 6th graders could have done a better job.

btw, have you ever written apost that didn't have rolling eyes, or ROFL's, or "GASP" or other, similar childish remakrs?

Lastly, most people are not aware of any of the information I posted earlier. If you asked 100 people on the street about any of the items I mentioned only a tiny percentage would be able to answer a single question.

You basically admitted you looked up some of this info and through your wrong answers you proved you do not know the information.

I have asked you repeatedly to stop replying to my posts, yet you refuse to honor this request. I put you on ignore for a while, yet you still would not leave me alone.

SInce you will not leave me alone and keep replying to my posts, I guess I will converse with you, but could you please act like an adult and stop with all the childish eye rolling, GASPING, ROFL, bulls**t???????

Grow up already.

[Patriot911]

Norrin Radd wrote: You proved by your reposnses that you did not know all of this information, mostly because you got so much of it wrong.

In this latest post you said.........

"Bernard Baruch. The initial sites I looked up didn't even mention him. :roll: Apparently he wasn't all that important to some conspiracy sites."

When did you look at these initial sites?

I didn't say I knew everything. I said it was a sign of a fool to assume you know what I do and do not know. Did I know beforehand who the CFR was and the general founders? Yes. I knew the Morgans and Rockefellers were part of it. Did I know every little founder? No. Did I look it up to be thorough? Yes. Am I so anal that I am going to try to lord it over someone else if they miss a minor player? No. You do that enough for the both of us.

So what kind of evil is Bernard Baruch that you make sure to point him out? Is it just because he was active in politics? Is it because he was Jewish? Is it because he made his own fortunes? Is it because he was a socialist?

Personally, I like him because he is the one who said "If all you have is a hammer, everything starts looking like a nail."

Norrin Radd wrote: btw, Bernard Baruch is the wrong answer. It appears you don't even know who was considered Woodrow Wilson's alter ego.

Col. House was one of the most influential people in US politics in the early part of the 20th century. The fact that most Americans know nothing about him is proof of how little the people know about what is really going on in the world.

:roll: Both men were key advisors to Wilson.

Norrin Radd wrote: As to Ron Paul, please feel free to post any evidence of any wrong doing by the only patriot in Congress.
Do you deny he is heavily invested in precious metals and in mining companies?

Do you deny he is trying to go back to a gold standard which would greatly increase the value of gold and other precious metals and the mines that produce them?

If this were any other person you would be peeing your pants trying to get everyone to see how wrong this obvious conflict of interest is. Maybe it is time for you to open your eyes and see if Ronnie has ulteriour motives.

Norrin Radd wrote: My point about Brzezinski is obvious to people who have actually done the research and not just pretended to do so, as you have. There are several people here who can tell you the significance of Brzezinski being a founder of the Trilateral Commission, maybe one of them can help you out.

:roll: Whatever. How do you fit through doors with that huge ego of yours?

Norrin Radd wrote: As to Cronkite, I could care less about his opinions, but when a president congragulatges him for promoting world government, then I care. With Talbot it is a little different, as he was a government official. When a president who has sworn an oath to uphold the constitution congragulates people for promoting world government, I would think people who are truly PATRIOTIC, would be interested. Of course this only applys to actual patriots and not pretenders like you.

I see you've denigrated into your usual personal attacks. ;-) So a government official should ONLY say what YOU want them to say and should NEVER say anything different. :roll: Again it sounds like you wish to repeal the first amendment. Do government employees need to take a test now to make sure they pass your criteria for a "good" government employee?

Norrin Radd wrote: I was wondering, do you intentionally do such poor research, or are you actually this careless? I must say, I think most 6th graders could have done a better job.

Another personal attack and nothing else. Come on. You can do better than this.

Norrin Radd wrote: btw, have you ever written apost that didn't have rolling eyes, or ROFL's, or "GASP" or other, similar childish remakrs?

:shock: Three personal attacks in a row! :lol: I like smilies. :-) Don't you? :think: But hey! At least you've noticed! :dance:

Norrin Radd wrote: Lastly, most people are not aware of any of the information I posted earlier. If you asked 100 people on the street about any of the items I mentioned only a tiny percentage would be able to answer a single question.
I wouldn't expect them to. Most of what you want them to "know" by heart are quotes from people who made quotes decades ago and many are no longer even alive. You want them to be paranoid like you that there are all these boogiemen out there. What do you want done with them? Dig them up and beat them? Deport all the CFR members for crimes against the state? :roll:

Norrin Radd wrote: You basically admitted you looked up some of this info and through your wrong answers you proved you do not know the information.

What is wrong with looking up info? You have ALL this stuff memorized? :lol: Just another personal attack that is amazingly childish. I didn't pick the Wilson advisor you wanted. I never claimed to be a mind reader. You certainly claim to know everything about everybody and what they do and do not know. Almost every post you strut around like a peacock lording your mighty "research" over everyone like they should bow down before you because they are not worthy of debating you. :roll: Like most blowhards, you're all ego and very little substance.

Norrin Radd wrote: I have asked you repeatedly to stop replying to my posts, yet you refuse to honor this request. I put you on ignore for a while, yet you still would not leave me alone.
Why should I leave you alone? You post BS and I call you on it. I realize you don't like people exposing the weaknesses in your arguments, but that is part of life and a HUGE part of being on a public forum. You want to chat with just people who agree with you and stroke your ego? Make your own board.

Norrin Radd wrote: SInce you will not leave me alone and keep replying to my posts, I guess I will converse with you, but could you please act like an adult and stop with all the childish eye rolling, GASPING, ROFL, bulls**t???????
Nope. ;-)

Norrin Radd wrote: Grow up already.
You first.

[Norrin Radd]

Patriot911 wrote: Norrin Radd wrote: You proved by your reposnses that you did not know all of this information, mostly because you got so much of it wrong.

In this latest post you said.........

"Bernard Baruch. The initial sites I looked up didn't even mention him. :roll: Apparently he wasn't all that important to some conspiracy sites."

When did you look at these initial sites?

I didn't say I knew everything. I said it was a sign of a fool to assume you know what I do and do not know. Did I know beforehand who the CFR was and the general founders? Yes. I knew the Morgans and Rockefellers were part of it. Did I know every little founder? No. Did I look it up to be thorough? Yes. Am I so anal that I am going to try to lord it over someone else if they miss a minor player? No. You do that enough for the both of us.

So what kind of evil is Bernard Baruch that you make sure to point him out? Is it just because he was active in politics? Is it because he was Jewish? Is it because he made his own fortunes? Is it because he was a socialist?

Personally, I like him because he is the one who said "If all you have is a hammer, everything starts looking like a nail."

Norrin Radd wrote: btw, Bernard Baruch is the wrong answer. It appears you don't even know who was considered Woodrow Wilson's alter ego.

Col. House was one of the most influential people in US politics in the early part of the 20th century. The fact that most Americans know nothing about him is proof of how little the people know about what is really going on in the world.

:roll: Both men were key advisors to Wilson.

Norrin Radd wrote: As to Ron Paul, please feel free to post any evidence of any wrong doing by the only patriot in Congress.
Do you deny he is heavily invested in precious metals and in mining companies?

Do you deny he is trying to go back to a gold standard which would greatly increase the value of gold and other precious metals and the mines that produce them?

If this were any other person you would be peeing your pants trying to get everyone to see how wrong this obvious conflict of interest is. Maybe it is time for you to open your eyes and see if Ronnie has ulteriour motives.

Norrin Radd wrote: My point about Brzezinski is obvious to people who have actually done the research and not just pretended to do so, as you have. There are several people here who can tell you the significance of Brzezinski being a founder of the Trilateral Commission, maybe one of them can help you out.

:roll: Whatever. How do you fit through doors with that huge ego of yours?

Norrin Radd wrote: As to Cronkite, I could care less about his opinions, but when a president congragulatges him for promoting world government, then I care. With Talbot it is a little different, as he was a government official. When a president who has sworn an oath to uphold the constitution congragulates people for promoting world government, I would think people who are truly PATRIOTIC, would be interested. Of course this only applys to actual patriots and not pretenders like you.

I see you've denigrated into your usual personal attacks. ;-) So a government official should ONLY say what YOU want them to say and should NEVER say anything different. :roll: Again it sounds like you wish to repeal the first amendment. Do government employees need to take a test now to make sure they pass your criteria for a "good" government employee?

Norrin Radd wrote: I was wondering, do you intentionally do such poor research, or are you actually this careless? I must say, I think most 6th graders could have done a better job.

Another personal attack and nothing else. Come on. You can do better than this.

Norrin Radd wrote: btw, have you ever written apost that didn't have rolling eyes, or ROFL's, or "GASP" or other, similar childish remakrs?

:shock: Three personal attacks in a row! :lol: I like smilies. :-) Don't you? :think: But hey! At least you've noticed! :dance:

Norrin Radd wrote: Lastly, most people are not aware of any of the information I posted earlier. If you asked 100 people on the street about any of the items I mentioned only a tiny percentage would be able to answer a single question.
I wouldn't expect them to. Most of what you want them to "know" by heart are quotes from people who made quotes decades ago and many are no longer even alive. You want them to be paranoid like you that there are all these boogiemen out there. What do you want done with them? Dig them up and beat them? Deport all the CFR members for crimes against the state? :roll:

Norrin Radd wrote: You basically admitted you looked up some of this info and through your wrong answers you proved you do not know the information.

What is wrong with looking up info? You have ALL this stuff memorized? :lol: Just another personal attack that is amazingly childish. I didn't pick the Wilson advisor you wanted. I never claimed to be a mind reader. You certainly claim to know everything about everybody and what they do and do not know. Almost every post you strut around like a peacock lording your mighty "research" over everyone like they should bow down before you because they are not worthy of debating you. :roll: Like most blowhards, you're all ego and very little substance.

Norrin Radd wrote: I have asked you repeatedly to stop replying to my posts, yet you refuse to honor this request. I put you on ignore for a while, yet you still would not leave me alone.
Why should I leave you alone? You post BS and I call you on it. I realize you don't like people exposing the weaknesses in your arguments, but that is part of life and a HUGE part of being on a public forum. You want to chat with just people who agree with you and stroke your ego? Make your own board.

Norrin Radd wrote: SInce you will not leave me alone and keep replying to my posts, I guess I will converse with you, but could you please act like an adult and stop with all the childish eye rolling, GASPING, ROFL, bulls**t???????
Nope. ;-)

Norrin Radd wrote: Grow up already.
You first.

Do you want to have an adult conversation, or not?

If yes, then I will agree to be nicer, if you agree to be less sarcastic, as well as stop using the icons and other silly references like ROFL and such.

Whadda ya say ?

[Patriot911]

Norrin Radd wrote: Do you want to have an adult conversation, or not?

If yes, then I will agree to be nicer, if you agree to be less sarcastic, as well as stop using the icons and other silly references like ROFL and such.

Whadda ya say ?

Well if you're going to ask nicely, I have no choice but to agree. Must.... reisist.... urge.... to..... use...... smilie.......

[Norrin Radd]

Norrin Radd wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Norrin Radd wrote: You proved by your reposnses that you did not know all of this information, mostly because you got so much of it wrong.

In this latest post you said.........

"Bernard Baruch. The initial sites I looked up didn't even mention him. :roll: Apparently he wasn't all that important to some conspiracy sites."

When did you look at these initial sites?

I didn't say I knew everything. I said it was a sign of a fool to assume you know what I do and do not know. Did I know beforehand who the CFR was and the general founders? Yes. I knew the Morgans and Rockefellers were part of it. Did I know every little founder? No. Did I look it up to be thorough? Yes. Am I so anal that I am going to try to lord it over someone else if they miss a minor player? No. You do that enough for the both of us.

So what kind of evil is Bernard Baruch that you make sure to point him out? Is it just because he was active in politics? Is it because he was Jewish? Is it because he made his own fortunes? Is it because he was a socialist?

Personally, I like him because he is the one who said "If all you have is a hammer, everything starts looking like a nail."

Norrin Radd wrote: btw, Bernard Baruch is the wrong answer. It appears you don't even know who was considered Woodrow Wilson's alter ego.

Col. House was one of the most influential people in US politics in the early part of the 20th century. The fact that most Americans know nothing about him is proof of how little the people know about what is really going on in the world.

:roll: Both men were key advisors to Wilson.

Norrin Radd wrote: As to Ron Paul, please feel free to post any evidence of any wrong doing by the only patriot in Congress.
Do you deny he is heavily invested in precious metals and in mining companies?

Do you deny he is trying to go back to a gold standard which would greatly increase the value of gold and other precious metals and the mines that produce them?

If this were any other person you would be peeing your pants trying to get everyone to see how wrong this obvious conflict of interest is. Maybe it is time for you to open your eyes and see if Ronnie has ulteriour motives.

Norrin Radd wrote: My point about Brzezinski is obvious to people who have actually done the research and not just pretended to do so, as you have. There are several people here who can tell you the significance of Brzezinski being a founder of the Trilateral Commission, maybe one of them can help you out.

:roll: Whatever. How do you fit through doors with that huge ego of yours?

Norrin Radd wrote: As to Cronkite, I could care less about his opinions, but when a president congragulatges him for promoting world government, then I care. With Talbot it is a little different, as he was a government official. When a president who has sworn an oath to uphold the constitution congragulates people for promoting world government, I would think people who are truly PATRIOTIC, would be interested. Of course this only applys to actual patriots and not pretenders like you.

I see you've denigrated into your usual personal attacks. ;-) So a government official should ONLY say what YOU want them to say and should NEVER say anything different. :roll: Again it sounds like you wish to repeal the first amendment. Do government employees need to take a test now to make sure they pass your criteria for a "good" government employee?

Norrin Radd wrote: I was wondering, do you intentionally do such poor research, or are you actually this careless? I must say, I think most 6th graders could have done a better job.

Another personal attack and nothing else. Come on. You can do better than this.

Norrin Radd wrote: btw, have you ever written apost that didn't have rolling eyes, or ROFL's, or "GASP" or other, similar childish remakrs?

:shock: Three personal attacks in a row! :lol: I like smilies. :-) Don't you? :think: But hey! At least you've noticed! :dance:

Norrin Radd wrote: Lastly, most people are not aware of any of the information I posted earlier. If you asked 100 people on the street about any of the items I mentioned only a tiny percentage would be able to answer a single question.
I wouldn't expect them to. Most of what you want them to "know" by heart are quotes from people who made quotes decades ago and many are no longer even alive. You want them to be paranoid like you that there are all these boogiemen out there. What do you want done with them? Dig them up and beat them? Deport all the CFR members for crimes against the state? :roll:

Norrin Radd wrote: You basically admitted you looked up some of this info and through your wrong answers you proved you do not know the information.

What is wrong with looking up info? You have ALL this stuff memorized? :lol: Just another personal attack that is amazingly childish. I didn't pick the Wilson advisor you wanted. I never claimed to be a mind reader. You certainly claim to know everything about everybody and what they do and do not know. Almost every post you strut around like a peacock lording your mighty "research" over everyone like they should bow down before you because they are not worthy of debating you. :roll: Like most blowhards, you're all ego and very little substance.

Norrin Radd wrote: I have asked you repeatedly to stop replying to my posts, yet you refuse to honor this request. I put you on ignore for a while, yet you still would not leave me alone.
Why should I leave you alone? You post BS and I call you on it. I realize you don't like people exposing the weaknesses in your arguments, but that is part of life and a HUGE part of being on a public forum. You want to chat with just people who agree with you and stroke your ego? Make your own board.

Norrin Radd wrote: SInce you will not leave me alone and keep replying to my posts, I guess I will converse with you, but could you please act like an adult and stop with all the childish eye rolling, GASPING, ROFL, bulls**t???????
Nope. ;-)

Norrin Radd wrote: Grow up already.
You first.

Do you want to have an adult conversation, or not?

If yes, then I will agree to be nicer, if you agree to be less sarcastic, as well as stop using the icons and other silly references like ROFL and such.

Whadda ya say ?

I never said anything about Bernard Baruch. Baruch is a very interesting charecter and without a doubt had some power, but he was not Wilson's alter ego. Baruch did contribute money to help found the CFR, as did others, but House was one of the founders who helped pick out who would become members of this exclusive club.

The CFR's Study No. 7, published November 25, 1959, openly declared its true purpose: "...building a New International Order [which] must be responsive to world aspirations for peace, [and] for social and economic change...an international order [code for world government]...including states labeling themselves as 'Socialist.'" One could safely say that a nutshell descriptor of the CFR is "to bring about a New World Order through the manipulation of U.S. foreign policy and relations and through international economic interdependence."


http://www.jeremiahproject.com/newworldorder/nworder06.html

Baruch is not that important to this conversation, he was not a major policy designer. House, on the other hand, was a major player and his book is probably why he was chosen to help pick members to join the CFR.

Now, I do not expect you, or anyone, to know everything I know, as it is impossible. I am sure you can list people and topics that I know little to nothing about. The key, in my opinion, is knowing about the important people and the important topics. Each of us must decide for oursleves what is important, but surely, a group of people as powerful as the CFR, or the TC, should be considered important.

Ron Paul buying Gold and trying to get us back to the Gold standard is totally his business, as he is doing what he believes is best for the American people. Alan Greenspan wrote a well known piece on returning to the gold standard, before he sold out, but was he attacked for it like you are attacking Ron Paul? It is logical that someone who belives in Gold is going to buy gold and/or mining stocks. If you are going to keep using this, will you please post some info on it? LIke how much money does Paul have in Gold and these stocks?

Buying Gold is not a crime, nor is wanting the US to get back on the Gold standard, which both of us know is not going to happen anyways, so why do you even bring this up. Mr. Paul is not naive, he knows we are not going back to the gold standard, but he uses this as a way to try to educate the public, even though this education is going to take deacdes.

Does Mr. Paul have any dirt on him at all? Is he connected to Abramoff or Ken Lay? If the only complaints you have about Mr. Paul are those you already mentioned, then those compalints are weak.

btw, I do not pee my pants, nor do I bring up dirt on all politicians like you implied, as this would require me to quit my job, live in the sewers and hire a staff to keep track of all the dirt and corruption on most US Congressmen, with Ron Paul being one of the few exceptions.

You said earleir that quotes are not reliable evidence, or something like that, but if this is true, then why do almost all reporters and authors use quotes to prove points?

You say I post B.S. and you call me on it, yet you offer little evidence to abck up any of your claims. If you wish to belive that Goldwater, Rear Admiral Chester Ward, Larry McDonald and all the other well respected people to warn us about the CFR and the TC are wrong, then that is fine, say they are wrong, but don't say they are paranoid, or call them stupid names, as it is insult to these great men and an insult to the truth.

Richard Gardner is a spokesperson for the CFR, had his so-called opinions written in the CFR's publication, "Foreign Affairs" and he told us the truth about the CFR's goals, wanting to erode US sovereignty piece by piece, yet you still refuse to believe what he told us, even though numerous Congressmen and other well respected people have echoed his statements.

"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."

Strobe Talbot, Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.

Strobe Talbot is both a CFR and a Trilateral Commission member. Oh yeah, he is also a Rhoades Scholar. But I guess people who are CFR members telling you what their real goals are is not enough evidence for you, because "officially" the CFR will not admit they support world government, even though their members talk about it openly.

I don't understand what it will take to get you to see the truth. Dozens of people have told us the truth. well respected people, all warning us about a danger, or people who openly confess their goals, yet you refuse to believe any of them.

What does it take to convince you of the truth?