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[Wizard From Oz]

I came across this amazing set of images. The story behind them is explained through the course of the images. In a nut shell the man who captured these images died doing so.

All I ask of you - look deep down inside yourself and ask if you really believe you live in a nation who's leaders could perpetrate this on their own people. Ask yourself do you understand what it really means to believe this is possible.

If you answer yes to either of these questions, ask yourself why you have not started a civil war.

http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0111/biggart01.htm

[krims]

End this sentimental BS.

The so-called "leaders" right now care nothing about the people.

[Wizard From Oz]

Then why didn't you respond to the third question asked if you agreed to the first two.

Seriously you are saying your leader is on the same level as Starlin, Mao and Hitler - Yet the best you can do is tell me to stop the sentimental B/S

[psholtz]

Yes, the leaders of America are on the same level as Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

Or perhaps even lower.

It would not surprise me to see (another) Civil War erupt in this nation sooner or later, unless things change drastically in this nation..

[Wizard From Oz]

Quote: It would not surprise me to see (another) Civil War erupt in this nation sooner or later, unless things change drastically in this nation..

Then the question becomes - why have you not taken forms of affirmitive action. Why are you waiting for civil war. Whu not begin with passive resitance, more pro active if the mood fits?

Why are you holding back? - And this is as much a general question as aimed directly at you psholtz

[Norrin Radd]

MG1962 wrote: Quote: It would not surprise me to see (another) Civil War erupt in this nation sooner or later, unless things change drastically in this nation..

Then the question becomes - why have you not taken forms of affirmitive action. Why are you waiting for civil war. Whu not begin with passive resitance, more pro active if the mood fits?

Why are you holding back? - And this is as much a general question as aimed directly at you psholtz

Because, the majority of Americans do not even know the US is in a declared state of antional emergency and has been so since 1933. While there were a few years off during the 70's, we have been in a declared state of emergency for the last 70 years. Reagan continued the national emergency as did Clinton and now Bush. People who do learn about this, still aren't insightful enough to ask themselves why there is a need for the US to be in a declared state of national emergency. What purpose does it serve.

Most Americans do not even know who Ron Paul is, or why he is important.

Few people know how the War Powers Act of 1933 was passed through Congress.

Few people know anything about Col. House, even though he was one of the most influential people in US politics in the 20th century.

Most Americans know nothing about any of the horrible things the US has admitted to, nor do they know anything about dozens of important topics, including what the goals of the CFR and Trilateral Commission are.

Why don't we start a civil war??????

Because most Americans are clueless and you can't get people to fight against something unless they know what that something is.

Our government is not the enemy. It is those who control our government. Unfortuantly, the people are too well conditioned to admit this simple fact, even though it is painfully obvious. Until a large percentage of the American people will admit our government is controlled, then significant positive change is highly unlikely.

[BigOMG]

krims wrote: End this sentimental BS.

The so-called "leaders" right now care nothing about the people.

How do you know? What proof have you seen that the rest of us haven't seen? Or is this part of the greater conspiracy?

[Revenant]

psholtz wrote: Yes, the leaders of America are on the same level as Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

Or perhaps even lower.

It would not surprise me to see (another) Civil War erupt in this nation sooner or later, unless things change drastically in this nation..

Even if you assert that the majority of conspiracy theories are true, I really fail to see how America's leaders today have killed as many as Stalin.

Iraq War: 45000
Afghanistan: 45000 (at most)
9/11: 3000

Total: 93000


Stalin: 40-60 Million
Hitler: 1 Million (your estimate), 11 million (everyone else's estimate)
Mao: Rough estimates range in the millions.

[psholtz]

Revenant wrote: psholtz wrote: Yes, the leaders of America are on the same level as Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

Or perhaps even lower.

It would not surprise me to see (another) Civil War erupt in this nation sooner or later, unless things change drastically in this nation..

Even if you assert that the majority of conspiracy theories are true, I really fail to see how America's leaders today have killed as many as Stalin.

Iraq War: 45000
Afghanistan: 45000 (at most)
9/11: 3000

Total: 93000


Stalin: 40-60 Million
Hitler: 1 Million (your estimate), 11 million (everyone else's estimate)
Mao: Rough estimates range in the millions.
Wall Street financed Stalin and Mao..

What America does is worse.

America, however, has extremely strong and powerful traditions of freedom and liberty, so the NWO has to be very careful about how they set about imposing a police state in this nation; thus far they have been using the method of Fabian socailism w/ great success.

[letfreedomring]

psholtz wrote: Revenant wrote: psholtz wrote: Yes, the leaders of America are on the same level as Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

Or perhaps even lower.

It would not surprise me to see (another) Civil War erupt in this nation sooner or later, unless things change drastically in this nation..

Even if you assert that the majority of conspiracy theories are true, I really fail to see how America's leaders today have killed as many as Stalin.

Iraq War: 45000
Afghanistan: 45000 (at most)
9/11: 3000

Total: 93000


Stalin: 40-60 Million
Hitler: 1 Million (your estimate), 11 million (everyone else's estimate)
Mao: Rough estimates range in the millions.
Wall Street financed Stalin and Mao..

What America does is worse.

America, however, has extremely strong and powerful traditions of freedom and liberty, so the NWO has to be very careful about how they set about imposing a police state in this nation; thus far they have been using the method of Fabian socailism w/ great success.

I am curious. If this country is so bad as it seems. Why do:

1. People from other countries keep wanting to coming here, and risk their lives in the process?
2. You still live in this country, instead of moving to our neighbor in the North (free health care), or Europe?

Why don't you guys stop whining and complaining and actually do something about it. Run for political office, or go around the nation and spread the message, so people will "get it". It's fine to play "Monday Quarterback" from the comfort of your own home, but it's quite another to put your money where your mouth is. Seriously.....

[Norrin Radd]

letfreedomring wrote: psholtz wrote: Revenant wrote: psholtz wrote: Yes, the leaders of America are on the same level as Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

Or perhaps even lower.

It would not surprise me to see (another) Civil War erupt in this nation sooner or later, unless things change drastically in this nation..

Even if you assert that the majority of conspiracy theories are true, I really fail to see how America's leaders today have killed as many as Stalin.

Iraq War: 45000
Afghanistan: 45000 (at most)
9/11: 3000

Total: 93000


Stalin: 40-60 Million
Hitler: 1 Million (your estimate), 11 million (everyone else's estimate)
Mao: Rough estimates range in the millions.
Wall Street financed Stalin and Mao..

What America does is worse.

America, however, has extremely strong and powerful traditions of freedom and liberty, so the NWO has to be very careful about how they set about imposing a police state in this nation; thus far they have been using the method of Fabian socailism w/ great success.

I am curious. If this country is so bad as it seems. Why do:

1. People from other countries keep wanting to coming here, and risk their lives in the process?
2. You still live in this country, instead of moving to our neighbor in the North (free health care), or Europe?

Why don't you guys stop whining and complaining and actually do something about it. Run for political office, or go around the nation and spread the message, so people will "get it". It's fine to play "Monday Quarterback" from the comfort of your own home, but it's quite another to put your money where your mouth is. Seriously.....

So, instead of wanting to make my country better, I should leave it? You would have made a good British sympathizer during the revolutionary war. If you don't like it, leave.

A tleast the founding fathers had something to work with. They had a population of people who knew that government's could not be trusted. Today we have a population of sheeple who allow the t.v. to tell them what to think.

Heck, most Americans do not even know that the US is in a declared state of national emergency, do not know anything about most of the UN treaties we have signed, have never heard of the Reece committee, Col. House, Norman DOdd and they know nothing about the goals of the CFR, or who founded the organization.

We have had numerous Congressmen, as well as other respectable people, try to warn us about what is really going on, about the true goals of the CFR and the Trilateral Commission, yet most Americans would not be able to parphrase just one of these warnings.

Until the American people start caring about the truth, there is little we can do, as they are too deeply buried in denial to be able to look at information with an open mind.

[psholtz]

letfreedomring wrote: psholtz wrote: Revenant wrote: psholtz wrote: Yes, the leaders of America are on the same level as Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

Or perhaps even lower.

It would not surprise me to see (another) Civil War erupt in this nation sooner or later, unless things change drastically in this nation..

Even if you assert that the majority of conspiracy theories are true, I really fail to see how America's leaders today have killed as many as Stalin.

Iraq War: 45000
Afghanistan: 45000 (at most)
9/11: 3000

Total: 93000


Stalin: 40-60 Million
Hitler: 1 Million (your estimate), 11 million (everyone else's estimate)
Mao: Rough estimates range in the millions.
Wall Street financed Stalin and Mao..

What America does is worse.

America, however, has extremely strong and powerful traditions of freedom and liberty, so the NWO has to be very careful about how they set about imposing a police state in this nation; thus far they have been using the method of Fabian socailism w/ great success.

I am curious. If this country is so bad as it seems.
There is nothing wrong w/ this country.. (other than the pollution that multinational corporations have laid waste to across this land, from sea to sea .. and in the sea, for that matter).

What makes this nation bad are:

* Criminals who pretend they are running the governments;
* Helpless slave sheeple jellyfish who just roll over and let the government do whatever it pleases, utterly betraying the foundations of liberty laid down by their forefathers..

Quote: Why don't you guys stop whining and complaining and actually do something about it. Run for political office, or go around the nation and spread the message, so people will "get it". It's fine to play "Monday Quarterback" from the comfort of your own home, but it's quite another to put your money where your mouth is. Seriously.....
Do you dare question my purpose in life?

[lilwolf]

Greta photography and all but I don't buy into the conspiracy crap. There is so much of it going on that it is staggering. Everybody has the story and all others are wrong. :roll:
This was done by terrorists (butchers) and no one else.

[psholtz]

Norrin Radd wrote: Until the American people start caring about the truth, there is little we can do, as they are too deeply buried in denial to be able to look at information with an open mind.
It is unlikely that "Americans" (<- using that term very, very loosely) who express the ignorant, complacent attitudes that you saw above (not you Norrid, you're cool... I'm talking about the person you're responding to here) will fare well during the coming tribulations this nation has been fated to pass through.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Things like 9/11 happen for a reason.

The American people have the power to put a stop to those reasons, if they desire.. For the time being, it seems that such a desire is not forthcoming. You go stomping around the globe for 60+ years, starting world wars, sending CIA coups in the furthest reaches of the world, poisoning the peoples, seas and lands of the planet, etc.. Sooner or later it's all going to come home to roost.

[psholtz]

lilwolf wrote: This was done by terrorists (butchers) and no one else.
I agree..

Terrorist butchers who live on Pennsylvania Avenue..

[Norrin Radd]

lilwolf wrote: Greta photography and all but I don't buy into the conspiracy crap. There is so much of it going on that it is staggering. Everybody has the story and all others are wrong. :roll:
This was done by terrorists (butchers) and no one else.

Who injected 11 American veterans with plutonium?

Who tested LSD on unwitting subjects resulting in the death of Frank Olson?

Who sprayed dangerous biological simulants on US cities covertly, resulting in 11 people being hospitalized in San Frnacisco and the death of Ed Nevin?

How many other cities were sprayed with biological simulants? Were biological agents ever sprayed?

How would you feel if your father had been injected by your own government with plutonium?

Ever read the senate report titled "Is Military Research Hazardous to Veteran's Health"?

No, obviously you haven't.

[lilwolf]

Norrin Radd wrote: lilwolf wrote: Greta photography and all but I don't buy into the conspiracy crap. There is so much of it going on that it is staggering. Everybody has the story and all others are wrong. :roll:
This was done by terrorists (butchers) and no one else.

Who injected 11 American veterans with plutonium?

Who tested LSD on unwitting subjects resulting in the death of Frank Olson?

Who sprayed dangerous biological simulants on US cities covertly, resulting in 11 people being hospitalized in San Frnacisco and the death of Ed Nevin?

How many other cities were sprayed with biological simulants? Were biological agents ever sprayed?

How would you feel if your father had been injected by your own government with plutonium?

Ever read the senate report titled "Is Military Research Hazardous to Veteran's Health"?

No, obviously you haven't.

Can you provide a verifiable source that is not gossip rags stuff that backs up that absurd claim? i would like to read this before I tell you where it goes. To many years in the military to buy all of this crap

Butchers Psholtz from Saudi Arabia and the ME. No where else. Prove it then if you can beyond a shadow of doubt that 1600 Pennsylavania ave. is the sopurce. Not with yours or anybody elses conspiracy crap okay. If you can't do that then you are pissing on a camp fire and it stinks. :-|

[Norrin Radd]

lilwolf wrote: Norrin Radd wrote: lilwolf wrote: Greta photography and all but I don't buy into the conspiracy crap. There is so much of it going on that it is staggering. Everybody has the story and all others are wrong. :roll:
This was done by terrorists (butchers) and no one else.

Who injected 11 American veterans with plutonium?

Who tested LSD on unwitting subjects resulting in the death of Frank Olson?

Who sprayed dangerous biological simulants on US cities covertly, resulting in 11 people being hospitalized in San Frnacisco and the death of Ed Nevin?

How many other cities were sprayed with biological simulants? Were biological agents ever sprayed?

How would you feel if your father had been injected by your own government with plutonium?

Ever read the senate report titled "Is Military Research Hazardous to Veteran's Health"?

No, obviously you haven't.

Can you provide a verifiable source that is not gossip rags stuff that backs up that absurd claim? i would like to read this before I tell you where it goes. To many years in the military to buy all of this crap

Butchers Psholtz from Saudi Arabia and the ME. No where else. Prove it then if you can beyond a shadow of doubt that 1600 Pennsylavania ave. is the sopurce. Not with yours or anybody elses conspiracy crap okay. If you can't do that then you are pissing on a camp fire and it stinks. :-|

Are you kidding me?

I thought people here knew better than to challenge me on information I post. I can back up every single thing I post.

HUMAN EXPERIMENTATION

Soon after the spraying, 11 people came down with hard-to-treat infections at the old Stanford University Hospital in San Francisco. By November, one man had died. Edward Nevin, 75, a retired Pacific Gas and Electric Co. worker recovering from a prostate operation, had succumbed to an infection with Serratia marcescens that attacked his heart valves.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/10/31/MNG149JERH1.DTL


Resources on Drug Experimentation and Related Mind Control Experiments by the U.S. Government

http://www.gpc.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/lsd.html


IS MILITARY RESEARCH HAZARDOUS TO VETERANS' HEALTH?
LESSONS SPANNING HALF A CENTURY

http://www.gulfweb.org/bigdoc/rockrep.cfm

Resources on Nonconsensual Human Experimentation

http://www.gpc.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment.html

Open Air Testing of Biological Simulants

Dr. Leonard A. Cole gave the following testimony before the United States Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs on May 6, 1994:

http://www.healthfreedom.info/Bio-Chemical%20Warfare%20Testing.htm

US admits to 50 secret tests of bio weapons on troops

July 1 2003

The Pentagon used potentially dangerous chemical and biological agents in 50 secret tests involving US military personnel in a decade-long project to measure the weapons' combat capabilities, according to Pentagon findings.

The tests were done between 1962 and 1973 and involved 5,842 service members. Many were not told of the tests, some of which involved releases of deadly nerve agents in Alaska and Hawaii.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/01/1056825376086.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/16/national/main593670.shtml

(CBS/AP) The Pentagon is continuing to withhold documents on Cold War chemical and biological weapons tests that used unsuspecting sailors as "human samplers" after telling Congress it had released all medically relevant information.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/01/national/main561218.shtml

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States has acknowledged it carried out a sweeping Cold War-era test programme of chemical and germ warfare agents in Britain and North America.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles/DVNS_CBW.htm

A SHORT HISTORY OF US GOVERNMENT RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/biowar.html


Secret US Human Biological Experimentation

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/experiment.htm

Germ Warfare Against America:

http://www.all-natural.com/part-3b.html

International Committee on
Offensive Microwave Weapons
Vs.
The United States of America


http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/harlsuit.htm

MKULTRA Documents

http://www.parascope.com/ds/mkultradocs.htm

MKULTRA APPENDIX A

XVII. Testing And Use Of Chemical And Biological Agents By The Intelligence Community

http://www.parascope.com/ds/documentslibrary/documents/mkultrahearing/ mkultraHearingAppendixA.htm


THE FRANK OLSON Project

http://www.frankolsonproject.org/Articles/LondonExpress.html


A VERY IMPORTANT LETTER ON THE RADIATION TESTS, This letter was sent by Atomic Scientist, Edward A. Martell, LTC, ret., to Hazel O'Leary

PART 1 of 6

http://www.aracnet.com/~pdxavets/martell1.htm

U.S. admits nerve gas test

November 1, 2002

Matt Kelley
The Associated Press

WASHINGTON · The military secretly tested sarin nerve agent in a Hawaii forest preserve in 1967, the Pentagon acknowledged Thursday in the latest disclosures about Cold War-era testing of biological and chemical weapons.

Other secret tests in Hawaii in 1966 and the Panama Canal Zone in 1963 released a germ meant as a harmless stand-in for the bacteria that cause anthrax, the Defense Department said. A 1966 experiment in an undisclosed "tropical jungle type environment" involved spraying tear gas on unprotected U.S. military volunteers.

The Defense Department released summaries of five chemical and biological weapons tests Thursday. The disclosures were part of an effort to research and make public such tests from the 1960s and 1970s to alert veterans who may have been exposed.

The tests were part of Project 112, a military program in the 1960s and 1970s to test chemical and biological weapons and defenses against them. Parts of the testing program done on Navy ships were called Project SHAD, or Shipboard Hazard and Defense.

The United States scrapped its biological and chemical weapons programs in the early 1970s.

Some of those involved in the tests say they now suffer health problems linked to their exposure to dangerous chemicals and germs. They are pressing the Veterans Affairs Department to compensate them.

The Pentagon this year acknowledged for the first time that some of the 1960s tests used real chemical and biological weapons, not just benign stand-ins.

http://billnelson.senate.gov/news/details.cfm?id=244652&

[psholtz]

lilwolf wrote: Butchers Psholtz from Saudi Arabia and the ME. No where else.
Yes, terrorists from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan were certainly involved in 9/11.. Remember 9/11 was in many ways just another criminal act committed by the same gang of drug dealers who have been ruling this country the days of Iran-Contra and BCCI, and to understand 9/11 you have to understand Iran-Contra and BCCI..

Amongst the Saudis, names like Adnan Khoshoggi figure prominently.

Also remember that Kissinger's portfolio of consulting clients includes many Saudi billionaires who openly fund Islamic terrorism aimed against US interests. Also bear in mind that Kissinger's portfolio of consulting clients include people who go by the name of "bin Laden"..

Quote: Prove it then if you can beyond a shadow of doubt that 1600 Pennsylavania ave. is the sopurce.
I would say that Dick Cheney would be one of the lead suspects in 9/11..

[psholtz]

Norrin Radd wrote: The Pentagon this year acknowledged for the first time that some of the 1960s tests used real chemical and biological weapons, not just benign stand-ins.

http://billnelson.senate.gov/news/details.cfm?id=244652&
Look up US Code Title 50, Chapter 32, Section 1520a:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00001520---a000-.html

Pretty scary stuff.. :shock: