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John Galt · Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 20982 Location: Minnesota

Free Thinkr wrote: Gus wrote: So who's going to be buying the Wii? And for those who aren't, why not?
Not me.

1. it's wholly inferior, technology-wise

If I wanted a blueray player, I'd buy one.

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2. no HDTV support (I mean, come on; the original Xbox has HDTV support)

It will workfine, not uber but fine.

Quote: 3. the barrage of 2-year-old oriented titles
4. the nearly complete lack of adult-oriented titles

Uhhh Zelda? Mario? Metroid?

I'm sorry if you need to have GTA 7 and other mindless games like that... cartoony =/= "2-year-old oriented".

Quote: 5. the fact that they're spending money on marketing to fool people into buying on "innovation" that boils down to a new controller, rather than actually making a system that's worth a damn

I'm sure there are more, but that should do.

The system is meant to bea system that anyone can play. Whocares about graphics -- I have not played a single game on either Xbox or PS that I liked to play other than Halo, and I have played many, many games on those systems.

I can ramble off a list of all the Nintendo games that I love to play.

Thats the difference. That's why I'll get a Wii.

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 18816

Stygma wrote: I don't like the look of the controller.

It has a standard controller.

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 18816

John Galt wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: Gus wrote: So who's going to be buying the Wii? And for those who aren't, why not?
Not me.

1. it's wholly inferior, technology-wise

If I wanted a blueray player, I'd buy one.

Quote:
2. no HDTV support (I mean, come on; the original Xbox has HDTV support)

It will workfine, not uber but fine.

Quote: 3. the barrage of 2-year-old oriented titles
4. the nearly complete lack of adult-oriented titles

Uhhh Zelda? Mario? Metroid?

I'm sorry if you need to have GTA 7 and other mindless games like that... cartoony =/= "2-year-old oriented".

Quote: 5. the fact that they're spending money on marketing to fool people into buying on "innovation" that boils down to a new controller, rather than actually making a system that's worth a damn

I'm sure there are more, but that should do.

The system is meant to bea system that anyone can play. Whocares about graphics -- I have not played a single game on either Xbox or PS that I liked to play other than Halo, and I have played many, many games on those systems.

I can ramble off a list of all the Nintendo games that I love to play.

Thats the difference. That's why I'll get a Wii.

+1

Free Thinkr

John Galt wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: Gus wrote: So who's going to be buying the Wii? And for those who aren't, why not?
Not me.

1. it's wholly inferior, technology-wise

If I wanted a blueray player, I'd buy one.
I'm not talking about a blueray player, I'm talking about graphics processing. The Wii suxors; hard.

Quote: Quote: 2. no HDTV support (I mean, come on; the original Xbox has HDTV support)

It will workfine, not uber but fine.
Yeah, so will my NES. If I'm going to shell out 250 for a brand new system, it sure as hell better be able to display a resolution better than 640X480.

Quote: Quote: 3. the barrage of 2-year-old oriented titles
4. the nearly complete lack of adult-oriented titles

Uhhh Zelda? Mario? Metroid?
Mario, certainly. I like Metriod; that's the one good thing about the gamecube. Of course the gamecube sold so poorly due to their nearly-complete lack of third party support that it was almost worth buying one to get Metriod alone; but not quite. :lol:

Quote: I'm sorry if you need to have GTA 7 and other mindless games like that... cartoony =/= "2-year-old oriented".
Need? Systems are supposed to have variety. Nintendo is a joke. And cartoony does = "2-year-old oriented." Christ, I cannot understand Nintendo's insistence on defining itself as the seashells, balloons, and rainbows existence. Oh wait, yes I can: they know their hardware is grossly inferior, so they market their system as the "toy" system for children.

Quote: Quote: 5. the fact that they're spending money on marketing to fool people into buying on "innovation" that boils down to a new controller, rather than actually making a system that's worth a damn

I'm sure there are more, but that should do.

The system is meant to bea system that anyone can play.
As opposed to what? Are other systems half-buried in stone and only King Arthur can remove them?

Quote: Whocares about graphics
Uh, everyone. If I didn't care about graphics I wouldn't be buying any of these new systems. That's the whole point. You sound like me when I was 8 and TurboGraphics16 came out; such a hopeless fanboy I couldn't admit that graphics are important. They are.

Quote: I have not played a single game on either Xbox or PS that I liked to play other than Halo, and I have played many, many games on those systems.

I can ramble off a list of all the Nintendo games that I love to play.

Thats the difference. That's why I'll get a Wii.
Whatever; if seashells and balloons are your thing, they're your thing. I wont begrudge you that. Me, I like having an actual variety of games, some even non-cartoon-based.

Still, it chaps my ass how people are so fooled by this half-baked marketing strategy:

Nintendo exec 1: uh oh, it seems the internet critics are pointing out we've once again settled on vastly inferior technology
Nintendo exec 2: But, we promised another Zelda and Metroid! How could they want more than 2 good games?
Nintendo exec 3: I knooooowww!
Nintendo exec 4: I've got it! We'll come out with a gimmick-controller

E3: ooooooh, a gimmick controller! Nintendo is soooooo innovative!

Me: *wretches*

John Galt · Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 20982 Location: Minnesota

PSIII copied the Wii "gimmicky" controller.

Look if you don't want one I'm not stopping you from paying 600 dollars for a system and 80 dollars per game. I'm really not, go ahead and get 12 games on PSIII which, like all the games on PSII and PS follow the same format and are basically the same (you have your sports games then your "war" games then finally the ninja-game format). I really see no vareity in anything but Nintendo games.

I have every Nintendo system and I will get their new one. I also have a PSI and an Xbox, but I can't bring myself to buy an Xbox 360 for that one game I know I will like or a PSIII (let alone II) after I was so disappointed in the games that came out for those systems.

Goldeneye 64 ftw

Free Thinkr · Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:07 pm Post subject:

John Galt wrote: PSIII copied the Wii "gimmicky" controller.
Mitigating the one advantage the Wii had. That was my thought when I heard about this "innovation": it'll just be copied anyhow. It'll probably end up being the next powerglove anyways.

Quote: Look if you don't want one I'm not stopping you from paying 600 dollars for a system and 80 dollars per game. I'm really not, go ahead and get 12 games on PSIII which, like all the games on PSII and PS follow the same format and are basically the same (you have your sports games then your "war" games then finally the ninja-game format). I really see no vareity in anything but Nintendo games.
I'd get an Xbox 360 if I get one of these systems. PS3 too expensive, Wii too weak. The 360 has more games, is sufficiently powerful, and is competitively-priced. $100 extra bucks on the Wii gets you a 360. M$ was smart to get to the market a year ahead of the other two, and the 360's hardware is so good, they're selling them at a loss for $400. Nice.

Quote: I have every Nintendo system and I will get their new one. I also have a PSI and an Xbox, but I can't bring myself to buy an Xbox 360 for that one game I know I will like or a PSIII (let alone II) after I was so disappointed in the games that came out for those systems.
I can't disagree with you too much here; that PS3 is toooooo expensive. They're freaking nuts pricing that where they are. I have a hard time believing those will sell very well.

Quote: Goldeneye 64 ftw
The 64 was the beginning of the end for me; Nintendo once again insisted on going cartridge, hobbling them in terms of 3rd party support. Since then, they've been increasingly the game-system for children, because that's basically all they're good at anymore. Come on Nintendo, get it right for once. I was excited when I first heard about their new system, but when I found out how underpowered it was, well, that was the last straw. Eff you, Nintendo.

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 16633 Location: Bliss

Free Thinkr wrote: John Galt wrote: PSIII copied the Wii "gimmicky" controller.
Mitigating the one advantage the Wii had. That was my thought when I heard about this "innovation": it'll just be copied anyhow. It'll probably end up being the next powerglove anyways.

Quote: Look if you don't want one I'm not stopping you from paying 600 dollars for a system and 80 dollars per game. I'm really not, go ahead and get 12 games on PSIII which, like all the games on PSII and PS follow the same format and are basically the same (you have your sports games then your "war" games then finally the ninja-game format). I really see no vareity in anything but Nintendo games.
I'd get an Xbox 360 if I get one of these systems. PS3 too expensive, Wii too weak. The 360 has more games, is sufficiently powerful, and is competitively-priced. $100 extra bucks on the Wii gets you a 360. M$ was smart to get to the market a year ahead of the other two, and the 360's hardware is so good, they're selling them at a loss for $400. Nice.

Quote: I have every Nintendo system and I will get their new one. I also have a PSI and an Xbox, but I can't bring myself to buy an Xbox 360 for that one game I know I will like or a PSIII (let alone II) after I was so disappointed in the games that came out for those systems.
I can't disagree with you too much here; that PS3 is toooooo expensive. They're freaking nuts pricing that where they are. I have a hard time believing those will sell very well.

Quote: Goldeneye 64 ftw
The 64 was the beginning of the end for me; Nintendo once again insisted on going cartridge, hobbling them in terms of 3rd party support. Since then, they've been increasingly the game-system for children, because that's basically all they're good at anymore. Come on Nintendo, get it right for once. I was excited when I first heard about their new system, but when I found out how underpowered it was, well, that was the last straw. Eff you, Nintendo.

Actually the PS3 "Sixaxis" controller is a piece of crap, as seen with the Warhawk PS3 demo at E3. It failed hard, and lacks much of the capability of the wii controller. Sony tried to copy, and failed. They're pushing a failing media format.

Oh, and I must link you to Sony's E3 conference, it is just too priceless :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH2w2l1JTs4

If I want GTA or Madden I'll go 360, rather than this overpriced piece of crap.

Free Thinkr · Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:33 pm Post subject:

Revenant wrote: Actually the PS3 "Sixaxis" controller is a piece of crap, as seen with the Warhawk PS3 demo at E3. It failed hard, and lacks much of the capability of the wii controller. Sony tried to copy, and failed.
Yeah, but if it ends up being any good, some third party will copy it I'm sure.

Quote: They're pushing a failing media format.
Why must we go through this every 5 years? Seriously. Why in god's name must there be a freaking format war all the time? Freaking blueray/hddvd bs. Argh. The DVD-R formats still aren't even solidified, and there's already a cluster-eff going on in the next generation.

Quote: Oh, and I must link you to Sony's E3 conference, it is just too priceless :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH2w2l1JTs4
Yeah, I saw that a couple of months back. Hilarious.

Quote: If I want GTA or Madden I'll go 360, rather than this overpriced piece of crap.
Sony, in my mind, basically did something that's hard to believe: it went too far with its hardware. Yes, it's hardware is incredible, but it's a $600 system, and current games can't even approach maxing it out. By the time the hardware is necessary, M$ will be 3/4 the way to Xbox3 (which they'll call, what, Xbox 480? :lol:).

John Galt · Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 20982 Location: Minnesota

Actually -- the price for a PSIII is "cheap" since blue ray players are so damn expensive.

Like I said I'm not a fan of Microsoft's games for 360 (Microsoft pisses me off and I won't give them more of my money anyway) and so I am going with the Wii.

Free Thinkr · Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:33 pm Post subject:

John Galt wrote: Actually -- the price for a PSIII is "cheap" since blue ray players are so damn expensive.

Like I said I'm not a fan of Microsoft's games for 360 (Microsoft pisses me off and I won't give them more of my money anyway) and so I am going with the Wii.
I don't care about Microsoft's games; it's going to have 10X as many third-party titles.

Darbyh25 · Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Posts: 62 Location: Dallas, TX

I like good fun gameplay, with graphics that are pretty and smooth (not necessarily realistic)... and i'm poor... so if i get a system, i'll get a Wii. We have a Xbox360 at work so I can play whatever I "need" to play on that there. I have to say, we have Dead Rising and I love killing zombies!!! Also, the downloadable game Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved is SO FREAKIN AMAZING!

liquidate · Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:34 am Post subject:

I hope Nintendo fares well this round and knocks out the competition.

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 18816

RBI FTW!

liquidate · Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject:

FCTE wrote: RBI FTW!

Tecmo Bowl FTW!!111

Montana to Rice all day long!111
IIRC, I once put up 144 pts. with that combo.

Free Thinkr · Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:34 am Post subject:

liquidate wrote: I hope Nintendo fares well this round and knocks out the competition.

*cough* fanboy *cough*

BTW, Baseball Stars FTW.

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 18816

http://makeadecisiondamnyou.ytmnd.com/

Venom · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 807

Quote: Also you can d/l genesis and turbo grafix games.

This is Nintendo's big comback. Why waste money on a 400 dollar system which does not have the greatest games ever made on it? Or a 600 dollar system?

Wii's where it's at.
I don't think this is Nintendo's big comeback... I think it's the 2nd coming of the Gamecube.

I can waste $300 on a system that has much better new games in my opinion.
Also I'm not a big fan of buying old games that I've already beaten (hence why I sold my Sega Genisis, SNES, etc). That's also why I don't buy the classics released on Xbox Live!

Quote: Uhhh Zelda? Mario? Metroid?

I'm sorry if you need to have GTA 7 and other mindless games like that... cartoony =/= "2-year-old oriented".
Those three titles haven't done it for me, well the last one that I enjoyed was Mario 64 atleast...

Quote: The system is meant to bea system that anyone can play. Whocares about graphics -- I have not played a single game on either Xbox or PS that I liked to play other than Halo, and I have played many, many games on those systems.

I can ramble off a list of all the Nintendo games that I love to play.

Thats the difference. That's why I'll get a Wii.
So your a fan of Nintendo's exlusives more so than their actual system it would appear...
Personally I enjoy my current favorite franchise games in HD and also much better graphics.

Quote: If I wanted a blueray player, I'd buy one.
Personally I think Blueray and HD DVD are the 2nd coming of Laserdisc.

Quote: It will workfine, not uber but fine
Thats what I thought when I got my 360... then I saw how much better HD really made these games look.

Quote: Actually -- the price for a PSIII is "cheap" since blue ray players are so damn expensive.
Ok... but the PS 3 is a video game console 1st and foremost... is it not? Thats why 95% of the people will buy it.

Quote: Sony, in my mind, basically did something that's hard to believe: it went too far with its hardware. Yes, it's hardware is incredible, but it's a $600 system, and current games can't even approach maxing it out. By the time the hardware is necessary, M$ will be 3/4 the way to Xbox3 (which they'll call, what, Xbox 480? ).
In games they have shown I fail to see a difference in graphics quality from the 360 to the PS 3....
I bet in a generation of 2 of games the PS 3 will be a bit better, but I hardly can say I'd warrant spending $200 extra dollars better.
The only reason I believe for a person to pick a PS 3 over a 360 is if they want the exclusive titles such as Metal Gear. I'm a Splinter Cell, Halo guy... and apparently SC 5 is 360 exclusive :)

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 16633 Location: Bliss

It looks like 360 has the best november line-up, followed by Wii, followed by PS3, which launches with absolutely nothing.

Nathyn · Joined: 25 Sep 2005 Posts: 7681 Location: The Great Satan

Gus wrote: Games are at $49.99 (the new Zelda will be available at the console's release), and legacy games (NES, SNES, and N64) are available for download for approx. $5-10 apiece, using "Wii Points" (I think it's like $20 for 2,000 points). Zelda will be able to use both the Wii Remote and the nunchuck:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/285027_nintendo14.html

So who's going to be buying the Wii? And for those who aren't, why not?
This sums it up:

The console is wiik.

I think Nintendo's commercial sort of backfired:
http://www.lovethatfun.com/PS3_vs_Wii/702/

The fat b**** has FEATURES. The skinny b**** is just a cheap w****.

Go-Karts ("Vroom, vroom!") versus World War II combat? GTFO, you blonde bimbo. I want Miss PS3 to give me some dome.

FCTE · Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 18816

Nathyn wrote: Go-Karts ("Vroom, vroom!") versus World War II combat? GTFO, you blonde bimbo. I want Miss PS3 to give me some dome.

WW2 games are played out and you don't play shooters on a console.

PS3 = No games