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PheelGoodInc · Joined: 13 May 2005 Posts: 3978 Location: The Black Sea

This was posted on another thread, but was ignored for some reason. You can point out all the little inconsistincies in the official report you want, but thats all they are. If dug deep enough there is a rational explination that doesn't involve bombs or missiles. Just respond to this simple question.

Has anyone come foreward and admitted that they were a part of the conspiracy yet? Did any of the hundreds, if not thousands of people it would take to pull something like this off admit what the government made them do?

Mighty Oak · Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:40 pm Post subject:

All you have shown here is your lack of understanding of conspiracies.Conspiracies are a fact of life and there are just too many to show,but you know this.Just like government operations or Corporation operations or even small business operations it is compartmentalized.You only know a small part of it and you won't have a clue that that is part of a conspiracy.

One example for you.The Air traffic controllers need not know anything,what was done here is there were numorous drills that day of hijacked aircraft,so they were quite easily confused with the facts around that day.It only took one person to not send the planes after them,hmmm who was that?

PheelGoodInc · Joined: 13 May 2005 Posts: 3978 Location: The Black Sea

Mighty Oak wrote: All you have shown here is your lack of understanding of conspiracies.Conspiracies are a fact of life and there are just too many to show,but you know this.Just like government operations or Corporation operations or even small business operations it is compartmentalized.You only know a small part of it and you won't have a clue that that is part of a conspiracy.

So you cant respond to the question?

Quote: One example for you.The Air traffic controllers need not know anything,what was done here is there were numorous drills that day of hijacked aircraft,so they were quite easily confused with the facts around that day.It only took one person to not send the planes after them,hmmm who was that?

bulls**t. If the planes were landed and swapped as you guys like to believe, there is no way air traffic controllers wouldn't realize that a plane landed, then the same plane just crashed into the wtc. It would have taken hundreds, if not thousands of people to pull it off. Common sense tells me thousands wouldn't have been able to live with murdering 3000 of their fellow americans, and not ONE of them would come foreward with info.... NOT ONE.

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

PheelGoodInc wrote: Has anyone come foreward and admitted that they were a part of the conspiracy yet? Did any of the hundreds, if not thousands of people it would take to pull something like this off admit what the government made them do?
Yes, there was a high ranking military official (I believe he was the dean of the Monterey Defense Language School, or some such post... I'll look it up) who has come forwad and said that he helped train the hijackers on U.S. soil (on a U.S. military base, for that matter).

Generals Meyers and Arnold over at the Pentagon have also come forward and admitted that they lied to the 9/11 Commission about what happened that day.

PheelGoodInc · Joined: 13 May 2005 Posts: 3978 Location: The Black Sea

psholtz wrote:
Yes, there was a high ranking military official (I believe he was the dean of the Monterey Defense Language School, or some such post... I'll look it up) who has come forwad and said that he helped train the hijackers on U.S. soil (on a U.S. military base, for that matter).

Credible link please.

Quote: Generals Meyers and Arnold over at the Pentagon have also come forward and admitted that they lied to the 9/11 Commission about what happened that day.

Why did they say the lied? A lie on the commission report could have been for many reasons. It still doesn't mean there was a conspiracy. I would like to see a link on this to, please.

Patriot911 · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 6937 Location: Denver, CO

psholtz wrote: PheelGoodInc wrote: Has anyone come foreward and admitted that they were a part of the conspiracy yet? Did any of the hundreds, if not thousands of people it would take to pull something like this off admit what the government made them do?
Yes, there was a high ranking military official (I believe he was the dean of the Monterey Defense Language School, or some such post... I'll look it up) who has come forwad and said that he helped train the hijackers on U.S. soil (on a U.S. military base, for that matter).

:lol: Yeah I would love to read that one!

psholtz wrote: Generals Meyers and Arnold over at the Pentagon have also come forward and admitted that they lied to the 9/11 Commission about what happened that day.

This is admitting to the government's involvement? bulls**t Psholtz! Come on, even YOU know better than that! What they lied about had nothing to do with any conspiracy and you know it. Good try though. You get a D- for effort.

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

PheelGoodInc wrote: psholtz wrote:
Yes, there was a high ranking military official (I believe he was the dean of the Monterey Defense Language School, or some such post... I'll look it up) who has come forwad and said that he helped train the hijackers on U.S. soil (on a U.S. military base, for that matter).

Credible link please.
I'm looking it up, but whether or not you believe it's credible is not my concern.

Quote: Quote: Generals Meyers and Arnold over at the Pentagon have also come forward and admitted that they lied to the 9/11 Commission about what happened that day.

Why did they say the lied? A lie on the commission report could have been for many reasons. It still doesn't mean there was a conspiracy. I would like to see a link on this to, please.
They lied b/c they were part of the coverup.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300_pf.html

Mighty Oak · Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:00 pm Post subject:

PheelGoodInc wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: All you have shown here is your lack of understanding of conspiracies.Conspiracies are a fact of life and there are just too many to show,but you know this.Just like government operations or Corporation operations or even small business operations it is compartmentalized.You only know a small part of it and you won't have a clue that that is part of a conspiracy.

So you cant respond to the question?

Quote: One example for you.The Air traffic controllers need not know anything,what was done here is there were numorous drills that day of hijacked aircraft,so they were quite easily confused with the facts around that day.It only took one person to not send the planes after them,hmmm who was that?

bulls**t. If the planes were landed and swapped as you guys like to believe, there is no way air traffic controllers wouldn't realize that a plane landed, then the same plane just crashed into the wtc. It would have taken hundreds, if not thousands of people to pull it off. Common sense tells me thousands wouldn't have been able to live with murdering 3000 of their fellow americans, and not ONE of them would come foreward with info.... NOT ONE. I didn't relize that I believed in every conspiracy that has ever been spoken.You are getting into details that I couldn't possible know.

Patriot911 · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 6937 Location: Denver, CO

Mighty Oak wrote: All you have shown here is your lack of understanding of conspiracies.Conspiracies are a fact of life and there are just too many to show,but you know this.Just like government operations or Corporation operations or even small business operations it is compartmentalized.You only know a small part of it and you won't have a clue that that is part of a conspiracy.

One example for you.The Air traffic controllers need not know anything,what was done here is there were numorous drills that day of hijacked aircraft,so they were quite easily confused with the facts around that day.It only took one person to not send the planes after them,hmmm who was that?

See, here's the truth..... not everyone is as easily confused as you are, and I bet even YOU could figure out what was really going on. You would realize that the government story doesn't match your little involvement in 9/11 and you would have come forward.

Even still, numerous people would have to have their testimony or reports directly contradicted by the official story. People like the forensic experts, the people who tore down and removed the WTC, the crews at the Pentagon and Shanksville. The differences between what 9/11 deniers such as yourself believe happened and what really happened are WAY too great to be explained away with compartmentalization.

Patriot911 · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 6937 Location: Denver, CO

Mighty Oak wrote: PheelGoodInc wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: All you have shown here is your lack of understanding of conspiracies.Conspiracies are a fact of life and there are just too many to show,but you know this.Just like government operations or Corporation operations or even small business operations it is compartmentalized.You only know a small part of it and you won't have a clue that that is part of a conspiracy.

So you cant respond to the question?

Quote: One example for you.The Air traffic controllers need not know anything,what was done here is there were numorous drills that day of hijacked aircraft,so they were quite easily confused with the facts around that day.It only took one person to not send the planes after them,hmmm who was that?

bulls**t. If the planes were landed and swapped as you guys like to believe, there is no way air traffic controllers wouldn't realize that a plane landed, then the same plane just crashed into the wtc. It would have taken hundreds, if not thousands of people to pull it off. Common sense tells me thousands wouldn't have been able to live with murdering 3000 of their fellow americans, and not ONE of them would come foreward with info.... NOT ONE. I didn't relize that I believed in every conspiracy that has ever been spoken.You are getting into details that I couldn't possible know.

So let me get this straight.... you believe in the conspiracy theories even though you have no idea what they are?!?! :rofl: Oh man, that's rich! Tell you what. Go read www.prisonplanet.com and get caught up. If you are halfway intelligent you will realize Alex Jones is only out for ratings and your money and you will realize that the conspiracy theories are so far out there that they couldn't possibly be true.

It always amazes me that 9/11 deniers can take a series of events, claim it didn't happen at ALL like it appeared and then come up with this elaborate and unbelievably complex theory as to what happened while expecting everyone to just trust them and believe them without any proof that they are telling the truth.

Patriot911 · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 6937 Location: Denver, CO

psholtz wrote: PheelGoodInc wrote: psholtz wrote:
Yes, there was a high ranking military official (I believe he was the dean of the Monterey Defense Language School, or some such post... I'll look it up) who has come forwad and said that he helped train the hijackers on U.S. soil (on a U.S. military base, for that matter).

Credible link please.
I'm looking it up, but whether or not you believe it's credible is not my concern.

Quote: Quote: Generals Meyers and Arnold over at the Pentagon have also come forward and admitted that they lied to the 9/11 Commission about what happened that day.

Why did they say the lied? A lie on the commission report could have been for many reasons. It still doesn't mean there was a conspiracy. I would like to see a link on this to, please.
They lied b/c they were part of the coverup.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300_pf.html

:lol: You claim the 9/11 commission and the generals were in on the conspiracy, yet the 9/11 commission exposed the Generals for lying. Yeah, that sounds like the kind of coverup our government is capable of. They can rarely get anything right, yet you want us to believe they coordinated tens of thousands of people to pull all this off flawlessly. :roll:

Mighty Oak · Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:07 pm Post subject:

Patriot911 wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: All you have shown here is your lack of understanding of conspiracies.Conspiracies are a fact of life and there are just too many to show,but you know this.Just like government operations or Corporation operations or even small business operations it is compartmentalized.You only know a small part of it and you won't have a clue that that is part of a conspiracy.

One example for you.The Air traffic controllers need not know anything,what was done here is there were numorous drills that day of hijacked aircraft,so they were quite easily confused with the facts around that day.It only took one person to not send the planes after them,hmmm who was that?

See, here's the truth..... not everyone is as easily confused as you are, and I bet even YOU could figure out what was really going on. You would realize that the government story doesn't match your little involvement in 9/11 and you would have come forward.

Even still, numerous people would have to have their testimony or reports directly contradicted by the official story. People like the forensic experts, the people who tore down and removed the WTC, the crews at the Pentagon and Shanksville. The differences between what 9/11 deniers such as yourself believe happened and what really happened are WAY too great to be explained away with compartmentalization. How do you know what I believe?I have not gotten into many details of what I believe so you are asumeing that I believe things that I may or may not believe.Why is it so important to prove a conspiracy when in reality all that needs to be proven is the official story is not true,and thats been done.

PheelGoodInc · Joined: 13 May 2005 Posts: 3978 Location: The Black Sea

psholtz wrote:
I'm looking it up, but whether or not you believe it's credible is not my concern.

Let me know, and I'll tell you if it's credible. ;)

Quote:
They lied b/c they were part of the coverup.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300_pf.html

Thats NOT what I asked. I asked why no one came foreword and admitted that they were a part of the conspiracy. You gave me a inconsistency with the official story. I already referred to that in the first post of this topic.

Patriot911 · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 6937 Location: Denver, CO

Mighty Oak wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Mighty Oak wrote: All you have shown here is your lack of understanding of conspiracies.Conspiracies are a fact of life and there are just too many to show,but you know this.Just like government operations or Corporation operations or even small business operations it is compartmentalized.You only know a small part of it and you won't have a clue that that is part of a conspiracy.

One example for you.The Air traffic controllers need not know anything,what was done here is there were numorous drills that day of hijacked aircraft,so they were quite easily confused with the facts around that day.It only took one person to not send the planes after them,hmmm who was that?

See, here's the truth..... not everyone is as easily confused as you are, and I bet even YOU could figure out what was really going on. You would realize that the government story doesn't match your little involvement in 9/11 and you would have come forward.

Even still, numerous people would have to have their testimony or reports directly contradicted by the official story. People like the forensic experts, the people who tore down and removed the WTC, the crews at the Pentagon and Shanksville. The differences between what 9/11 deniers such as yourself believe happened and what really happened are WAY too great to be explained away with compartmentalization. How do you know what I believe?I have not gotten into many details of what I believe so you are asumeing that I believe things that I may or may not believe.Why is it so important to prove a conspiracy when in reality all that needs to be proven is the official story is not true,and thats been done.

You've already claimed you believe the government was behind 9/11. That is enough for me. And you are dead wrong. If you claim the government was behind 9/11 then you do indeed have to prove it.

Also, you haven't even come CLOSE to show that the "official story" is not true. Again I ask you for proof. Please don't point to the timeline at cooperativeresearch.com again because that isn't proof.

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

PheelGoodInc wrote: Quote:
They lied b/c they were part of the coverup.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300_pf.html

Thats NOT what I asked. I asked why no one came foreword and admitted that they were a part of the conspiracy. You gave me a inconsistency with the official story. I already referred to that in the first post of this topic.
Any inconsitencies you perceive here are compliments of the Washington Post spin..

Patriot911 · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 6937 Location: Denver, CO

psholtz wrote: PheelGoodInc wrote: Quote:
They lied b/c they were part of the coverup.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300_pf.html

Thats NOT what I asked. I asked why no one came foreword and admitted that they were a part of the conspiracy. You gave me a inconsistency with the official story. I already referred to that in the first post of this topic.
Any inconsitencies you perceive here are compliments of the Washington Post spin..

Yet again you ignore the part where this isn't evidence of a coverup, but rather exposure by the 9/11 commission of those who lied, but were VERY FAR from saying anything at all about government involvement. :roll:

PheelGoodInc · Joined: 13 May 2005 Posts: 3978 Location: The Black Sea

psholtz wrote: PheelGoodInc wrote: Quote:
They lied b/c they were part of the coverup.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300_pf.html

Thats NOT what I asked. I asked why no one came foreword and admitted that they were a part of the conspiracy. You gave me a inconsistency with the official story. I already referred to that in the first post of this topic.
Any inconsitencies you perceive here are compliments of the Washington Post spin..

Are you going to respond to the question at all? Or just keep spinning/ trolling around it?

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: PheelGoodInc wrote: Quote:
They lied b/c they were part of the coverup.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300_pf.html

Thats NOT what I asked. I asked why no one came foreword and admitted that they were a part of the conspiracy. You gave me a inconsistency with the official story. I already referred to that in the first post of this topic.
Any inconsitencies you perceive here are compliments of the Washington Post spin..

Yet again you ignore the part where this isn't evidence of a coverup, but rather exposure by the 9/11 commission of those who lied, but were VERY FAR from saying anything at all about government involvement. :roll:
If the 911 Commisson is aware of perjury, and if instead of taking that perjury to the Justice Department, they instead just refer the matter to the Inspector General of the Pentagon -- THAT IN ITSELF IS PROOF AND EVIDENCE OF A COVERUP.

Patriot911 · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 6937 Location: Denver, CO

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: PheelGoodInc wrote: Quote:
They lied b/c they were part of the coverup.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300_pf.html

Thats NOT what I asked. I asked why no one came foreword and admitted that they were a part of the conspiracy. You gave me a inconsistency with the official story. I already referred to that in the first post of this topic.
Any inconsitencies you perceive here are compliments of the Washington Post spin..

Yet again you ignore the part where this isn't evidence of a coverup, but rather exposure by the 9/11 commission of those who lied, but were VERY FAR from saying anything at all about government involvement. :roll:
If the 911 Commisson is aware of perjury, and if instead of taking that perjury to the Justice Department, they instead just refer the matter to the Inspector General of the Pentagon -- THAT IN ITSELF IS PROOF AND EVIDENCE OF A COVERUP.

Which begs the question coverup of what? The government being involved in 9/11? How does this prove that? It doesn't and you know it. You're sitting here being ambiguous hoping nobody will notice.

If the 9/11 commission wished to cover it up, why the hell did they come forward with this information in the first place? If you want to cover something up you don't announce it to the world. Like I said, that is an expose, not a coverup. ;-)

PheelGoodInc · Joined: 13 May 2005 Posts: 3978 Location: The Black Sea

psholtz wrote:
If the 911 Commisson is aware of perjury, and if instead of taking that perjury to the Justice Department, they instead just refer the matter to the Inspector General of the Pentagon -- THAT IN ITSELF IS PROOF AND EVIDENCE OF A COVERUP.

THAT WAS NOT THE QUESTION. Are you not capable of addressing the question posed in this thread?