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[Ardent]

Scotland Yard and American ATF Agents have
broken up a major gun smuggling operation
in New Jersey and Dartford Kent.


Plain Clothed Officers from Scotland Yard's
Operation Trident raided the house in
Dartford, Kent.


http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/13/uk.gun.smuggling.ap/

[Ardent]

America with it's lax gun laws seems to be
a major source of illegal firearms.

Hopefully police can conduct more operations and
take more semi-automatic and other such weapons
off the streets.

:wink:

[Blinky]

Ardent wrote: America with it's lax gun laws seems to be
a major source of illegal firearms.

Hopefully police can conduct more operations and
take more semi-automatic and other such weapons
off the streets.

:wink:

:clap:

[airo]

Ardent wrote: America with it's lax gun laws seems to be
a major source of illegal firearms.

Hopefully police can conduct more operations and
take more semi-automatic and other such weapons
off the streets.

:wink:

Just note that New Jersey is extremely anti-gun, so most of those weapons were more than likely illegal as is.

On top of that, i'll bet you twenty dollars that very few of the weapons smuggled into your country were actually American-Made. Why not blame the OTHER countries that are manufacturing firearms?

Or, why not tell us why firearms need to be banned in the first place? This is proof that your gun control system does nothing but disinfranchise people who respect the law, like you, give you a false sense of security, and hand over an unarmed populous to the armed bad guys.

[airo]

BTW, after reading the article, you can't say WHERE the firearms were coming from, or who they were going to. Good job showing your blatent prejudice. Just because the article says a man was arrested state side in conjunction with this DOES NOT mean he was illegally exporting firearms. There's a very real possibility he was importing, or quite possibly both, especially since it mentioned "Fully automatic" weapons, which, unless illegally converted (Which we have no evidence of, as the article doesn't say.), are extremely expensive over here, and new manufacture items since 1986 have been illegal for private ownership.

Seriously, you all need to let your hatred for our country and what it stands for to simmer down, and learn to read news articles objectivly.

[lilwolf]

Ardent wrote: America with it's lax gun laws seems to be
a major source of illegal firearms.

Hopefully police can conduct more operations and
take more semi-automatic and other such weapons
off the streets.

:wink:


America's gun laws are not that lax. This is an illegal gun operation hardly what legal gun owners condone here. I hope that if they are raiding places and busting people that are transporting illegal weapons that they continue.
But here one thing you guys are not saying.

Why were the guns going there? Supply and demand. When your nation says you can't have it you find a way to get it anyway. Children do the same thing when their folks say no you can't... :-D

[RooK]

Ardent wrote: America with it's lax gun laws seems to be
a major source of illegal firearms.

Then how, exactly, did they get into your country with the wonderful guns laws you have?

[Ardent]

RooK wrote: Ardent wrote: America with it's lax gun laws seems to be
a major source of illegal firearms.

Then how, exactly, did they get into your country with the wonderful guns laws you have?

The weapons never reached the streets.

As for the illegal guns they were probably on the way to yardie
gangsters. Weapons from the same house had been traced back to
yardie gangsters.

As for gun laws in New Jersey, they don't matter because with out
border controls guns can be easily transported from one state to
another.

[lilwolf]

Ardent wrote: RooK wrote: Ardent wrote: America with it's lax gun laws seems to be
a major source of illegal firearms.

Then how, exactly, did they get into your country with the wonderful guns laws you have?

The weapons never reached the streets.

As for the illegal guns they were probably on the way to yardie
gangsters. Weapons from the same house had been traced back to
yardie gangsters.

As for gun laws in New Jersey, they don't matter because with out
border controls guns can be easily transported from one state to
another.

About 2 years back in one of our port cities there was a gun smuggling ring that was busted with 11,000 weapons that were coming into this country on a canadian ship. So they are coming from somewhere.
Problem is that when some nations fell after the cold war the lure of big money was and is still there. US costoms got that shipment and they have gotten others so they are trying and doing as best they can, The brits are doing great on stopping illegal gun shipments as well, so it is my hope that balck market weapons will thin down. No one that is a laegal gun owner wants bad guys to have these guns. I don't anyway.. :-D

[airo]

Ardent wrote: RooK wrote: Ardent wrote: America with it's lax gun laws seems to be
a major source of illegal firearms.

Then how, exactly, did they get into your country with the wonderful guns laws you have?

The weapons never reached the streets.

As for the illegal guns they were probably on the way to yardie
gangsters. Weapons from the same house had been traced back to
yardie gangsters.

As for gun laws in New Jersey, they don't matter because with out
border controls guns can be easily transported from one state to
another.

So, now you're advocating a soviet style transport policy, where we have to have papers to cross our own interstate borders, and are subject to illegal searches and seizures?

And, again, you have yet to actually prove all these illegal weapons were actually imported from the U.S. So far, you're filthy criminals might actually be exporting illegal firearms into MY country [SIC]. Just because there was a man linked with yours who was arrested doesn't mean all of those firearms came from the U.S., and to blatently infer so without any direct proof just proves the bigotry of anti-gun foreigners.

[Wolverine]

Ardent wrote: America with it's lax gun laws seems to be
a major source of illegal firearms.

Hopefully police can conduct more operations and
take more semi-automatic and other such weapons
off the streets.

:wink:
Ah, blame the yanks for your problems. If your gun control is sooo effective, how come you guys are getting our guns? :think:

I have a cold, its my neighbors fault.

[Otacon]

Ardent wrote: RooK wrote: Ardent wrote: America with it's lax gun laws seems to be
a major source of illegal firearms.

Then how, exactly, did they get into your country with the wonderful guns laws you have?

The weapons never reached the streets.

As for the illegal guns they were probably on the way to yardie
gangsters. Weapons from the same house had been traced back to
yardie gangsters.

As for gun laws in New Jersey, they don't matter because with out
border controls guns can be easily transported from one state to
another.

Illegal arms are being transported to your country even with gun control laws, proving that they don't work. Gun control is ineffective.

[thundertaker]

Otacon wrote:
Illegal arms are being transported to your country even with gun control laws, proving that they don't work. Gun control is ineffective.

Yes, some guns are getting into the hands of criminals. But the article shows these ones were intercepted.
It is still quite difficult for criminals to get hold of a gun here in Britain....

[RooK]

Ardent wrote: RooK wrote: Ardent wrote: America with it's lax gun laws seems to be
a major source of illegal firearms.

Then how, exactly, did they get into your country with the wonderful guns laws you have?

The weapons never reached the streets.

As for the illegal guns they were probably on the way to yardie
gangsters. Weapons from the same house had been traced back to
yardie gangsters.


How you contradict yourself! :lol:

They didn't reach the streets, yet there they are at the home of a citizen. They were probably destined for gangs because previous weapons from said gangs were traced to the house. Doesn't that mean they were 'on the streets' as you say?

Quote:
As for gun laws in New Jersey, they don't matter because with out
border controls guns can be easily transported from one state to
another.

So, you're saying gun laws don't make a difference when it comes to possession? We've been trying to tell you guys that all along. I'm glad you're finally seeing the light. :clap:

[Ardent]

airo wrote: Ardent wrote: RooK wrote: Ardent wrote: America with it's lax gun laws seems to be
a major source of illegal firearms.

Then how, exactly, did they get into your country with the wonderful guns laws you have?

The weapons never reached the streets.

As for the illegal guns they were probably on the way to yardie
gangsters. Weapons from the same house had been traced back to
yardie gangsters.

As for gun laws in New Jersey, they don't matter because with out
border controls guns can be easily transported from one state to
another.

So, now you're advocating a soviet style transport policy, where we have to have papers to cross our own interstate borders, and are subject to illegal searches and seizures?

And, again, you have yet to actually prove all these illegal weapons were actually imported from the U.S. So far, you're filthy criminals might actually be exporting illegal firearms into MY country [SIC]. Just because there was a man linked with yours who was arrested doesn't mean all of those firearms came from the U.S., and to blatently infer so without any direct proof just proves the bigotry of anti-gun foreigners.

Perhaps a better idea would be to try and make gun laws more uniformed
across the US and not have vastly varying state laws.

I never said that all guns smuggled in to the UK came from the
US.

[Ardent]

RooK wrote: Ardent wrote: RooK wrote: Ardent wrote: America with it's lax gun laws seems to be
a major source of illegal firearms.

Then how, exactly, did they get into your country with the wonderful guns laws you have?

The weapons never reached the streets.

As for the illegal guns they were probably on the way to yardie
gangsters. Weapons from the same house had been traced back to
yardie gangsters.


How you contradict yourself! :lol:

They didn't reach the streets, yet there they are at the home of a citizen. They were probably destined for gangs because previous weapons from said gangs were traced to the house. Doesn't that mean they were 'on the streets' as you say?

Quote:
As for gun laws in New Jersey, they don't matter because with out
border controls guns can be easily transported from one state to
another.

So, you're saying gun laws don't make a difference when it comes to possession? We've been trying to tell you guys that all along. I'm glad you're finally seeing the light. :clap:

The weapons smuggled in during this police operation didn't reach the
streets.

As for gun crime here the fact that guns have become much
harder to obtain has resulted in the number of real guns involved
in crime falling whilst the number of imitation, replicas and bb/air
guns used in crime went up 66%

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1466065,00.html

Seems to me the criminal faternity are finding it harder to get
their hands on real firearms.

[RooK]

Now you're saying, gun control doesn't reduce overall crime, it just forces the criminals to use other weapons? Then it can be deduced that you're disarming law-abiding citizens while doing nothing about the number of criminals. Exquisite, we should have had you post more in the past.

BTW, while my post have been satire, there is a lot of underlying truth. When you come down to it, guns have never been a problem in the UK, even before the sweeping bans and restrictions. Similarly, it won't have any effect on the crime in the US.

Also, we have uniform gun laws made by the federal government. Anything else set down by the states is stricter. It's their right/problem to enforce their laws.

[airo]

Ardent wrote: airo wrote: Ardent wrote: RooK wrote: Ardent wrote: America with it's lax gun laws seems to be
a major source of illegal firearms.

Then how, exactly, did they get into your country with the wonderful guns laws you have?

The weapons never reached the streets.

As for the illegal guns they were probably on the way to yardie
gangsters. Weapons from the same house had been traced back to
yardie gangsters.

As for gun laws in New Jersey, they don't matter because with out
border controls guns can be easily transported from one state to
another.

So, now you're advocating a soviet style transport policy, where we have to have papers to cross our own interstate borders, and are subject to illegal searches and seizures?

And, again, you have yet to actually prove all these illegal weapons were actually imported from the U.S. So far, you're filthy criminals might actually be exporting illegal firearms into MY country [SIC]. Just because there was a man linked with yours who was arrested doesn't mean all of those firearms came from the U.S., and to blatently infer so without any direct proof just proves the bigotry of anti-gun foreigners.

Perhaps a better idea would be to try and make gun laws more uniformed
across the US and not have vastly varying state laws.

I never said that all guns smuggled in to the UK came from the
US.

The federal government has no right to make gun control laws "more uniform". Not only is it a violation of the Constitution, but the government on a federal level should not interfere with local politics, and since gun control is majorly a local issue, it should be handled on the local issue--which it is for the most part. (Aside from idiotic acts like the NFA, and the AWB, which do nothing but make people feel safer by forcing companies to get rid of those EVIL bayonet lugs.)

Not to mention the fact that your side has yet to establish why exactly guns are so much more vile than other inanimate objects, and must be banned. New Jersey does have stricter gun control laws--and that's a bad thing.

And you never said that the guns were smuggled in from the U.S.? What? What exactly is one to infer from the title of you thread?

Quote: Crackdown on Illegal Guns Smuggled in to UK from the US.

[lilwolf]

Ardent wrote: airo wrote: Ardent wrote: RooK wrote: Ardent wrote: America with it's lax gun laws seems to be
a major source of illegal firearms.

Then how, exactly, did they get into your country with the wonderful guns laws you have?

The weapons never reached the streets.

As for the illegal guns they were probably on the way to yardie
gangsters. Weapons from the same house had been traced back to
yardie gangsters.

As for gun laws in New Jersey, they don't matter because with out
border controls guns can be easily transported from one state to
another.

So, now you're advocating a soviet style transport policy, where we have to have papers to cross our own interstate borders, and are subject to illegal searches and seizures?

And, again, you have yet to actually prove all these illegal weapons were actually imported from the U.S. So far, you're filthy criminals might actually be exporting illegal firearms into MY country [SIC]. Just because there was a man linked with yours who was arrested doesn't mean all of those firearms came from the U.S., and to blatently infer so without any direct proof just proves the bigotry of anti-gun foreigners.

Perhaps a better idea would be to try and make gun laws more uniformed
across the US and not have vastly varying state laws.

I never said that all guns smuggled in to the UK came from the
US.

That's why our states have autonomy. The fed has no right to interefere in a states policy regarding anything. ie. guns except to make sure that fed law is observed.

[bigstick61]

The only reason why it is more difficult to geta gun in the UK is because Britain is an island, which greatly limits the means to get them into the country. In the case of most countries, which have borders with other countries, the flow of guns coming in for the black market is much larger, regardless of gun control laws.