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The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

Green wrote: You cannot be a slave to a thought.

oh but you can. people are enslaved by ideas daily. claustrophobia is an idea one is enslaved to.

Green wrote: Those who could...

and how do you determine who those people are?

why not have parents bring their child and force them to vote for who htye want to vote for?

it's too easily corruptable. the same can happen to a 13 year old.

Green wrote: The dead cannot move.

no but surely their vote matters.

Green wrote: No

it's quite easily corrupted by those willing to manipulate the younger and more plyable minds of adolecents[/quote]

It has been fun debating you today, but I need to go. We could go on forever with this, but I have stuff to do.

*Shake hand*[/quote]

this isn't over with yet :wink:

Green · Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject:

The Comrade wrote: Green wrote: You cannot be a slave to a thought.

oh but you can. people are enslaved by ideas daily. claustrophobia is an idea one is enslaved to.

Green wrote: Those who could...

and how do you determine who those people are?

why not have parents bring their child and force them to vote for who htye want to vote for?

it's too easily corruptable. the same can happen to a 13 year old.

Green wrote: The dead cannot move.

no but surely their vote matters.

Green wrote: No

it's quite easily corrupted by those willing to manipulate the younger and more plyable minds of adolecents

It has been fun debating you today, but I need to go. We could go on forever with this, but I have stuff to do.

*Shake hand*[/quote]

this isn't over with yet :wink:[/quote]

I took a peek to see if you replied, I really want to reply, but I need to go.

David · Joined: 28 Dec 2003 Posts: 12385 Location: Louisiana

The time referenced in the starter post was a different time.13 year olds then had a much different life experience than they do now.Back then they were expected to do a mans job every day with no complaints,no recesses,no vacations,no television,no video games and no back talk..We're talking can't to can't.If you aren't old enough to know what that means then it means from before daylight to after sunset.Kids today are pampered especially compared to those times.

Green · Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:09 pm Post subject:

David wrote: The time referenced in the starter post was a different time.13 year olds then had a much different life experience than they do now.Back then they were expected to do a mans job every day with no complaints,no recesses,no vacations,no television,no video games and no back talk..We're talking can't to can't.If you aren't old enough to know what that means then it means from before daylight to after sunset.Kids today are pampered especially compared to those times.

Nobody is old enough to know this unless theyare pretty damn old.

tsunamicin · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 78

Demonic Spoon wrote: wannabe wrote: Green wrote: People 13yrs and older were considered audults a long time ago. Why not now? What has changed from back when?

cause 13 year olds are really, really dumb.......

They are dumb because there is no challenge for them to rise to. Unless, of course, you think 13 year olds now are just genetically dumber :roll:

oh i do.
im more than willing to believe selective breeding combined with medical advances and laws has made it easier for weak idiots to reproduce

David · Joined: 28 Dec 2003 Posts: 12385 Location: Louisiana

Green wrote: David wrote: The time referenced in the starter post was a different time.13 year olds then had a much different life experience than they do now.Back then they were expected to do a mans job every day with no complaints,no recesses,no vacations,no television,no video games and no back talk..We're talking can't to can't.If you aren't old enough to know what that means then it means from before daylight to after sunset.Kids today are pampered especially compared to those times.

Nobody is old enough to know this unless theyare pretty damn old.

So I take it you don't believe in history books that tell these things as well as writers of the era that tell of the way people lived in their times.

Green · Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:04 pm Post subject:

David wrote: Green wrote: David wrote: The time referenced in the starter post was a different time.13 year olds then had a much different life experience than they do now.Back then they were expected to do a mans job every day with no complaints,no recesses,no vacations,no television,no video games and no back talk..We're talking can't to can't.If you aren't old enough to know what that means then it means from before daylight to after sunset.Kids today are pampered especially compared to those times.

Nobody is old enough to know this unless theyare pretty damn old.

So I take it you don't believe in history books that tell these things as well as writers of the era that tell of the way people lived in their times.

I don't believe you lived in the 19th century

David · Joined: 28 Dec 2003 Posts: 12385 Location: Louisiana

David wrote: Green wrote: David wrote: The time referenced in the starter post was a different time.13 year olds then had a much different life experience than they do now.Back then they were expected to do a mans job every day with no complaints,no recesses,no vacations,no television,no video games and no back talk..We're talking can't to can't.If you aren't old enough to know what that means then it means from before daylight to after sunset.Kids today are pampered especially compared to those times.

Nobody is old enough to know this unless theyare pretty damn old.

So I take it you don't believe in history books that tell these things as well as writers of the era that tell of the way people lived in their times.

See my above post and this time read it.As to your accusation No I didn't live in the 19th Century but my Grandparents did.

Harbinger · Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 670 Location: California

Green wrote:
People 13yrs and older were considered audults a long time ago. Why not now? What has changed from back when?

Higher standards of maturity.

criticalstriker · Joined: 01 Oct 2006 Posts: 24

I'm 14, and i dont think any one under the age of 25-26 should be able to vote(just my opinion from watching most people under that age and even some times above it). I may not like it but after seeing the way people act i think its for the better. O and some one on this thread said that people under 18 should not be able to vote because they might think it was just a joke (or some thing a long those lines), personaly i wouldent vote just as a joke its a huge deal and should be thought through very well before casting your vote, i think i would be able to do this but i have never been able to so who knows =/. Any way thanks for reading

Alyssa M. · Joined: 05 Oct 2006 Posts: 57 Location: Montana

Green wrote: People 13yrs and older were considered audults a long time ago. Why not now? What has changed from back when? err... scientifically they weren't, adulthood is a stage of developement (fully developed). If you're talking rights, alot of places where I live concider 12 adult, we can't drive or vote but we are concidered an adult. It's probably hard to explain, I'm not even going to fight about it.

Green · Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject:

criticalstriker wrote: I'm 14, and i dont think any one under the age of 25-26 should be able to vote(just my opinion from watching most people under that age and even some times above it). I may not like it but after seeing the way people act i think its for the better. O and some one on this thread said that people under 18 should not be able to vote because they might think it was just a joke (or some thing a long those lines), personaly i wouldent vote just as a joke its a huge deal and should be thought through very well before casting your vote, i think i would be able to do this but i have never been able to so who knows =/. Any way thanks for reading

I am gong to give you the same phrase I gave comrade (since you are new, he has always turned a youth rights tread like this and made into a huge debate like the one above.)

WHy should you if you actually believe in in what you are saying:"Im too stupid to be trusted just because of my age" BTW, we are both of the same age.

Now you say that certian minors cannot be trusted with power, but neither can many adults. Not every adult votes, and the adults who are too stupid to vote are usually the ones who don't.

WHy did the colonists revolt in 1776? Taxation without representation sound familiar? And lets see here; minors are taxed, and have laws imposed on them exclusively that they did not have any say in.

They are taxed, and they have no reperesentation. (department of homeland defence disclaimer)

Green

Alyssa M. wrote: Green wrote: People 13yrs and older were considered audults a long time ago. Why not now? What has changed from back when? err... scientifically they weren't, adulthood is a stage of developement (fully developed). If you're talking rights, alot of places where I live concider 12 adult, we can't drive or vote but we are concidered an adult. It's probably hard to explain, I'm not even going to fight about it.

Where are you? I am packing my luggage as I type.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

Green wrote:
I am gong to give you the same phrase I gave comrade (since you are new, he has always turned a youth rights tread like this and made into a huge debate like the one above.)

WHy should you if you actually believe in in what you are saying:"Im too stupid to be trusted just because of my age" BTW, we are both of the same age.

Now you say that certian minors cannot be trusted with power, but neither can many adults. Not every adult votes, and the adults who are too stupid to vote are usually the ones who don't.

WHy did the colonists revolt in 1776? Taxation without representation sound familiar? And lets see here; minors are taxed, and have laws imposed on them exclusively that they did not have any say in.

They are taxed, and they have no reperesentation. (department of homeland defence disclaimer)

green, considering the garbage i see you post, i don't want you in charge of something that could possibly effect me.

teenagers, from a sociological standpoint, are complete retards and completely irresponsible.

Green · Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject:

The Comrade wrote:
green, considering the garbage i see you post, i don't want you in charge of something that could possibly effect me.

teenagers, from a sociological standpoint, are complete retards and completely irresponsible. evidence? I can give lots of evidence against this, but I do not feel like slathering you with examples that would include you to an extent.

Im a highschool debater, and rebuttles can make no sence, but they must be correct enough for the judge.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

Green wrote: evidence? I can give lots of evidence against this, but I do not feel like slathering you with examples that would include you to an extent.

Im a highschool debater, and rebuttles can make no sence, but they must be correct enough for the judge.

hmm...evidence...i go to highschool is one very damning piece of evidence.

and i don't give a s**t about your examples, because it doesn't speak from a sociological view, but from a psychological view.

The Grandmaster · Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:09 pm Post subject:

The Comrade wrote: Green wrote:
I am gong to give you the same phrase I gave comrade (since you are new, he has always turned a youth rights tread like this and made into a huge debate like the one above.)

WHy should you if you actually believe in in what you are saying:"Im too stupid to be trusted just because of my age" BTW, we are both of the same age.

Now you say that certian minors cannot be trusted with power, but neither can many adults. Not every adult votes, and the adults who are too stupid to vote are usually the ones who don't.

WHy did the colonists revolt in 1776? Taxation without representation sound familiar? And lets see here; minors are taxed, and have laws imposed on them exclusively that they did not have any say in.

They are taxed, and they have no reperesentation. (department of homeland defence disclaimer)

green, considering the garbage i see you post, i don't want you in charge of something that could possibly effect me.

teenagers, from a sociological standpoint, are complete retards and completely irresponsible.

Does this include you?

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

The Grandmaster wrote:

Does this include you?

i'm fairly responsible, and have a fair head on my shoulders.

and this is a psychological view, which i don't care about.

Alyssa M. · Joined: 05 Oct 2006 Posts: 57 Location: Montana

Green wrote: criticalstriker wrote: I'm 14, and i dont think any one under the age of 25-26 should be able to vote(just my opinion from watching most people under that age and even some times above it). I may not like it but after seeing the way people act i think its for the better. O and some one on this thread said that people under 18 should not be able to vote because they might think it was just a joke (or some thing a long those lines), personaly i wouldent vote just as a joke its a huge deal and should be thought through very well before casting your vote, i think i would be able to do this but i have never been able to so who knows =/. Any way thanks for reading

I am gong to give you the same phrase I gave comrade (since you are new, he has always turned a youth rights tread like this and made into a huge debate like the one above.)

WHy should you if you actually believe in in what you are saying:"Im too stupid to be trusted just because of my age" BTW, we are both of the same age.

Now you say that certian minors cannot be trusted with power, but neither can many adults. Not every adult votes, and the adults who are too stupid to vote are usually the ones who don't.

WHy did the colonists revolt in 1776? Taxation without representation sound familiar? And lets see here; minors are taxed, and have laws imposed on them exclusively that they did not have any say in.

They are taxed, and they have no reperesentation. (department of homeland defence disclaimer) I'm not against youth rights although I don't think many of the kids I know at school shouldn't be on the road or voting. Just because most of them would be influenced by something as dumb as their favorite football team. Alcohol consumption is way different though because of health reasons, if I was to drink a massive bottle of alcohol at my age (not only would I get drunk and do something stupid) I would probably die or get a serious liver condition. Although just to let you know where I live we don't have taxes when we're a kid. :wink: But I do understand where you're coming from, other places children are taxed and should have the privileges as adults, but we don't pay even a fourth as to what the adults pay for taxes.

Green · Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject:

Alyssa M. wrote: we don't pay even a fourth as to what the adults pay for taxes. neither do poor people compared to rich people, but that does not mean they shouldnt vote.