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The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

psholtz wrote: The Comrade wrote: fewer people means fewer possibilities to trace something back to him.

if he had any sort of real money and support he would be able to make somewhat effective attacks into southern afghanistan.
What makes you think he's even REMOTELY interested in making ANY attack against the US *at all* in Afghanistan??

His interest, I'm sure, is drugs and oil.. which is the CIA interest in the region as well.

retake his country maybe?

revenge?

jihad?

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

The Comrade wrote: psholtz wrote: The Comrade wrote: fewer people means fewer possibilities to trace something back to him.

if he had any sort of real money and support he would be able to make somewhat effective attacks into southern afghanistan.
What makes you think he's even REMOTELY interested in making ANY attack against the US *at all* in Afghanistan??

His interest, I'm sure, is drugs and oil.. which is the CIA interest in the region as well.

retake his country maybe?

revenge?

jihad?
It's not *his* country..

His country is Saudi Arabia, some place the "hijackers" come from, btw..

All war is a racket designed to enrich the wealthy at the expense of the poor.. Jihad included.. OBL knows this well.

What would he "revenge" on the US? Why would he want "revenge".. To desire "revenge" the US would have had to have hurt him or wronged him, and like I said, I don't see this as having happened yet..

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

The Comrade wrote: link to this french "report"
http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/Ladin_Hopital.htm

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

psholtz wrote: The Comrade wrote: psholtz wrote: The Comrade wrote: fewer people means fewer possibilities to trace something back to him.

if he had any sort of real money and support he would be able to make somewhat effective attacks into southern afghanistan.
What makes you think he's even REMOTELY interested in making ANY attack against the US *at all* in Afghanistan??

His interest, I'm sure, is drugs and oil.. which is the CIA interest in the region as well.

retake his country maybe?

revenge?

jihad?
It's not *his* country..

His country is Saudi Arabia, some place the "hijackers" come from, btw..

All war is a racket designed to enrich the wealthy at the expense of the poor.. Jihad included.. OBL knows this well.

What would he "revenge" on the US? Why would he want "revenge".. To desire "revenge" the US would have had to have hurt him or wronged him, and like I said, I don't see this as having happened yet..

considering he was the de facto ruler of afghanistan for quite some time i would consider it his country.

he lost his country. muslim land is occupied. america is the great satan.

things like that could make a viable reason for revenge.

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

The Comrade wrote: considering he was the de facto ruler of afghanistan for quite some time i would consider it his country.

he lost his country. muslim land is occupied. america is the great satan.

things like that could make a viable reason for revenge.
It's not clear to me that he was defacto ruler of Afghanistan, and if he was, it's not clear to me that he's lost control of Afghanistan.

Everything you're trying to tell me is something that's been filtered, spun, water-down and modified for American consumption by the CIA.

America *is* -- to a huge extent -- a Great Satan. It shames me to admit it, but it's true. America has behaved itself in an utterly shameful and utterly evil manner for many decades now .. largely b/c America is the tool of extremely, extremely evil warmongers, and not enough Americans are awake yet to do anything about this. But this can change - it *will* change - if the human race is to survive the coming tribulations.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

psholtz wrote: The Comrade wrote: link to this french "report"
http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/Ladin_Hopital.htm

Quote: Osama bin Laden underwent treatment in July at the American Hospital in Dubai where he met a US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) official, French daily Le Figaro and Radio France International reported.

Quoting "a witness, a professional partner of the administrative management of the hospital," they said the man suspected by the United States of being behind the September 11 terrorist attacks had arrived in Dubai on July 4 by air from Quetta, Pakistan.

He was immediately taken to the hospital for kidney treatment. He left the establishment on July 14, Le Figaro said.

During his stay, the daily said, the local CIA representative was seen going into bin Laden's room and "a few days later, the CIA man boasted to some friends of having visited the Saudi-born millionaire."

Quoting "an authoritative source," Le Figaro and the radio station said the CIA representative had been recalled to Washington on July 15.

Bin Laden has been sought by the United States for terrorism since the bombing of the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998. But his CIA links go back before that to the fight against Soviet forces in Afghanistan.

Le Figaro said bin Laden was accompanied in Dubai by his personal physician and close collaborator, who could be the Egyptian Ayman al-Zawahari, as well as bodyguards and an Algerian nurse.

He was admitted to the urology department of Doctor Terry Callaway, who specializes in kidney stones and male infertility. Telephoned several times, the doctor declined to answer questions.

Several sources had reported that bin Laden had a serious kidney infection. He had a mobile dialysis machine sent to his Kandahar hideout in Afghanistan in the first half of 2000, according to "authoritative sources" quoted by Le Figaro and RFI.

Quote: Osama bin Laden underwent treatment in July at the American Hospital in Dubai where he met a US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) official

what hospital. who was the CIA agent.

Quote: Quoting "a witness, a professional partner of the administrative management of the hospital," they said the man suspected by the United States of being behind the September 11 terrorist attacks had arrived in Dubai on July 4 by air from Quetta, Pakistan.

who is this witness. how do i know he is a professional partner of the admin of the hospital.

Quote: During his stay, the daily said, the local CIA representative was seen going into bin Laden's room and "a few days later, the CIA man boasted to some friends of having visited the Saudi-born millionaire."

who saw the CIA agent.

who were his friends. where did he talk to him. when did he talk to them. was there any sort of journalistic investigation into the boasting?

Quote: Quoting "an authoritative source," Le Figaro and the radio station said the CIA representative had been recalled to Washington on July 15.

who is this source?

Quote: Several sources had reported that bin Laden had a serious kidney infection. He had a mobile dialysis machine sent to his Kandahar hideout in Afghanistan in the first half of 2000, according to "authoritative sources" quoted by Le Figaro and RFI.

who are all these sources?

and this isn't a report. it's a "news" article.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

psholtz wrote: The Comrade wrote: considering he was the de facto ruler of afghanistan for quite some time i would consider it his country.

he lost his country. muslim land is occupied. america is the great satan.

things like that could make a viable reason for revenge.
It's not clear to me that he was defacto ruler of Afghanistan, and if he was, it's not clear to me that he's lost control of Afghanistan.

Everything you're trying to tell me is something that's been filtered, spun, water-down and modified for American consumption by the CIA.

America *is* -- to a huge extent -- a Great Satan. It shames me to admit it, but it's true. America has behaved itself in an utterly shameful and utterly evil manner for many decades now .. largely b/c America is the tool of extremely, extremely evil warmongers, and not enough Americans are awake yet to do anything about this. But this can change - it *will* change - if the human race is to survive the coming tribulations.

so now the taliban didn't control afghanistan?

t3h joos again?

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 8871

The Comrade wrote: so now the taliban didn't control afghanistan?

t3h joos again?

The Taliban wasn't connected to the 9/11 attacks. They were crushed because they were harboring the people that were.

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

The Comrade wrote: psholtz wrote: The Comrade wrote: considering he was the de facto ruler of afghanistan for quite some time i would consider it his country.

he lost his country. muslim land is occupied. america is the great satan.

things like that could make a viable reason for revenge.
It's not clear to me that he was defacto ruler of Afghanistan, and if he was, it's not clear to me that he's lost control of Afghanistan.

Everything you're trying to tell me is something that's been filtered, spun, water-down and modified for American consumption by the CIA.

America *is* -- to a huge extent -- a Great Satan. It shames me to admit it, but it's true. America has behaved itself in an utterly shameful and utterly evil manner for many decades now .. largely b/c America is the tool of extremely, extremely evil warmongers, and not enough Americans are awake yet to do anything about this. But this can change - it *will* change - if the human race is to survive the coming tribulations.

so now the taliban didn't control afghanistan?
The Taliban still controls Afghanistan, that's my point.

Hamid Karzai is top ex-Taliban brass.. So are many of his minions..

No (real) power ever shifted hands.

It was just an excuse to lay down some U.S. military bases in the area.

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

The Comrade wrote: psholtz wrote: The Comrade wrote: link to this french "report"
http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/Ladin_Hopital.htm

Quote: Osama bin Laden underwent treatment in July at the American Hospital in Dubai where he met a US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) official, French daily Le Figaro and Radio France International reported.

Quoting "a witness, a professional partner of the administrative management of the hospital," they said the man suspected by the United States of being behind the September 11 terrorist attacks had arrived in Dubai on July 4 by air from Quetta, Pakistan.

He was immediately taken to the hospital for kidney treatment. He left the establishment on July 14, Le Figaro said.

During his stay, the daily said, the local CIA representative was seen going into bin Laden's room and "a few days later, the CIA man boasted to some friends of having visited the Saudi-born millionaire."

Quoting "an authoritative source," Le Figaro and the radio station said the CIA representative had been recalled to Washington on July 15.

Bin Laden has been sought by the United States for terrorism since the bombing of the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998. But his CIA links go back before that to the fight against Soviet forces in Afghanistan.

Le Figaro said bin Laden was accompanied in Dubai by his personal physician and close collaborator, who could be the Egyptian Ayman al-Zawahari, as well as bodyguards and an Algerian nurse.

He was admitted to the urology department of Doctor Terry Callaway, who specializes in kidney stones and male infertility. Telephoned several times, the doctor declined to answer questions.

Several sources had reported that bin Laden had a serious kidney infection. He had a mobile dialysis machine sent to his Kandahar hideout in Afghanistan in the first half of 2000, according to "authoritative sources" quoted by Le Figaro and RFI.

Quote: Osama bin Laden underwent treatment in July at the American Hospital in Dubai where he met a US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) official

what hospital. who was the CIA agent.

Quote: Quoting "a witness, a professional partner of the administrative management of the hospital," they said the man suspected by the United States of being behind the September 11 terrorist attacks had arrived in Dubai on July 4 by air from Quetta, Pakistan.

who is this witness. how do i know he is a professional partner of the admin of the hospital.

Quote: During his stay, the daily said, the local CIA representative was seen going into bin Laden's room and "a few days later, the CIA man boasted to some friends of having visited the Saudi-born millionaire."

who saw the CIA agent.

who were his friends. where did he talk to him. when did he talk to them. was there any sort of journalistic investigation into the boasting?

Quote: Quoting "an authoritative source," Le Figaro and the radio station said the CIA representative had been recalled to Washington on July 15.

who is this source?

Quote: Several sources had reported that bin Laden had a serious kidney infection. He had a mobile dialysis machine sent to his Kandahar hideout in Afghanistan in the first half of 2000, according to "authoritative sources" quoted by Le Figaro and RFI.

who are all these sources?

and this isn't a report. it's a "news" article.
You're going to have to do your own research from here.

The article was published in Le Figaro .. I have to assume they do some fact-checking before letting their reporters publish. Most papers do.

It's nice to see you ask so many questions..

I just wish you subject the lies that the NYT or Washington Post spits out to similar scrunity. You might learn something if you did.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

LostSoul3412 wrote: The Comrade wrote: so now the taliban didn't control afghanistan?

t3h joos again?

The Taliban wasn't connected to the 9/11 attacks. They were crushed because they were harboring the people that were.

bin ladens own men were essentially the afghani "army" and bin laden funded almost all of the talibans actions.

i would say he was most deffinatly the ruler of the taliban and afghanistan(if not publically, most deffinatly behind the scenes).

krims · Joined: 25 May 2006 Posts: 136 Location: kamchatka

Where is bin Laden? Why is there no justice for the victims of 9/11?

Bush should invade Pakistan, get Osama, and be done with it.

Who cares if Pakistan "doesn't allow" US forces to enter?

What happened to "you're either with us, or against us"??????

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

krims wrote: Where is bin Laden? Why is there no justice for the victims of 9/11?

Bush should invade Pakistan, get Osama, and be done with it.

Who cares if Pakistan "doesn't allow" US forces to enter?

What happened to "you're either with us, or against us"??????

nuclear missles mean anything to you?

Claudia Schiffer · Joined: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 3234

The Comrade wrote: krims wrote: Where is bin Laden? Why is there no justice for the victims of 9/11?

Bush should invade Pakistan, get Osama, and be done with it.

Who cares if Pakistan "doesn't allow" US forces to enter?

What happened to "you're either with us, or against us"??????

nuclear missles mean anything to you?

So either you're with us, or agaist us,...or you have nukes :lol: :lol:

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

Claudia Schiffer wrote: The Comrade wrote: krims wrote: Where is bin Laden? Why is there no justice for the victims of 9/11?

Bush should invade Pakistan, get Osama, and be done with it.

Who cares if Pakistan "doesn't allow" US forces to enter?

What happened to "you're either with us, or against us"??????

nuclear missles mean anything to you?

So either you're with us, or agaist us,...or you have nukes :lol: :lol:
Quite funny... :rotf:

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

Claudia Schiffer wrote: The Comrade wrote: krims wrote: Where is bin Laden? Why is there no justice for the victims of 9/11?

Bush should invade Pakistan, get Osama, and be done with it.

Who cares if Pakistan "doesn't allow" US forces to enter?

What happened to "you're either with us, or against us"??????

nuclear missles mean anything to you?

So either you're with us, or agaist us,...or you have nukes :lol: :lol:

that statement is as dumb as the one i responded to.

Wizard From Oz · Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 11159 Location: Kansas

Quote: What would he "revenge" on the US? Why would he want "revenge".. To desire "revenge" the US would have had to have hurt him or wronged him, and like I said, I don't see this as having happened yet..

Unfortunately you are wrong. The reasons Osama is ticked with the US (As much as they are childish) Have been well documented, and backed by a variety of sources.

Free Thinkr · Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:02 am Post subject:

Patriot911 wrote: PeterX wrote: Profesor Steven Jones of Brigham Young University found traces of thermate in physical samples of WTC debris.

Placed in the right areas thermate would have no problem burning through the girders which supported the WTC.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/200606scientificanalysis.htm

The steel tested by Steven Jones did not have any kind of chain of custody controls on it. Who knows WHAT that steel was exposed to between the time it was at ground zero until he tested it. You can't prove ANYTHING without a chain of custody to prove the sample was not contaminated / tampered with.

Second, the elements present in thermate are common elements. Aluminum oxide, iron and sulphur.

Third, thermate can't "easily cut through girders" because they are vertical in nature, not horizontal. Thermate cuts by burning through, i.e. using gravity.

Fourth, the amount of thermate needed to cut through all the girders in the WTC would be extremely problematic to place, especially where nobody would notice.

Fifth, thermate is not used in demolitions because it doesn't have the kind of control / reliability that high explosives have. High explosives burn in milliseconds from ignition. Thermate takes several seconds to initiate and then more time to burn through. Also, the timing would be extremely difficult because not all girders are the same size.

Sixth, Steven Jones said he found traces that COULD be the results of a thermate reaction, but couldn't prove that it was thermate without further testing.

Seventh, you really should find a more reliable source than prison planet. Any site that lies as much as that site does should be viewed with great skepticism.
Quoted simply because these questions weren't addressed by the Steven Jones crowd. These are very relevent questions. Let me add another:

Has thermate ever, to anyone's knowledge, been used to demolish a building?

Unless you guys can answer these questions, your claims are DOA.

letfreedomring · Joined: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 857

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The article was published in Le Figaro .. I have to assume they do some fact-checking before letting their reporters publish. Most papers do.
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Now that's funny....you don't believe the American press but yet you believe the French without fact checking on your own??? :roll:

Norrin Radd · Joined: 08 Aug 2005 Posts: 2930

PeterX wrote: William Amos wrote:

Wiling to bet he put the thermite in his own test

You're prepared to doubt a scholar who until he began researching 9/11 was massively respected was prepared to falsify the results of his scientific analysis but think that an alcoholic, drunk driving, draft dodging, grandson of a nazi collaborator is trustworthy?

Wow.

lol

That's a classic!

No one here seems interested in the history of Prescot Bush and US corporations in the buildup of NAZI Germany. It simply amazes me how so many people care nothing about the truth.