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[psholtz]

The Comrade wrote: psholtz wrote: PheelGoodInc wrote: He's cooked up in a cave somewhere if he is alive. His accounts have been frozen, and he can't even use sattelite phones or the internet. Tell me he's not hurting? :lol:
If he can't use the Internet or use a phone, then why are we doing electronic surveillance here in this nation?

I thought the only reason NSA was screening domestic calls was for when OBL decides to "phone home" to America..

Are you trying to tell me that this .. *gasp* .. might not be true?

the reason for electronic survelliance is to spot sleeper cells before they're found.
Sleeper cells that are presumably set in motion whenever OBL "phone home" to America, correct?

[psholtz]

The Comrade wrote: psholtz wrote: The Comrade wrote: is his field in chemistry and engineering?
I think it's physics..

then why is he doing a study on something a chemist or an engineer should be doing?
Building collapse is pretty squarely in the field of physics..

Far moreso than chemistry..

I believe he's done research on other building collapses too (although I'm not certain).

[The Comrade]

psholtz wrote: Sleeper cells that are presumably set in motion whenever OBL "phone home" to America, correct?


no.


sleeper cells operate on their own. they are given an original objective, and possibly a date. after that it's all up to them to complete their objective. they have no direct contact with osama(i seriously hope you were kidding about that).

[Claudia Schiffer]

Patriot911 wrote: Claudia Schiffer wrote: O.K. I admit it, Osama is really stupid, and he gave the opportunity of a life time to the Neocons to execute their plans for control of the middle east resources. :roll:..pure luck!

How do you think history will look at this? :wink:

Like Osama was really stupid and his little plan backfired. He thought we would cut and run like we did every other time he stood up to us. How was he to know Bush wasn't going to just lob a couple cruise missiles and forget about it? He has even commented on this very topic.

Unfortunately for you, your assertion that "the neocons" have control of Middle East resources is about as accurate as your normal statements, which is to say completely wrong and unfounded.

WHere is Osama BTW?..Where's the boogieman?...Boogie wonder land! ou! ou! ou! Boog.... :lol:

The neocons want to controlethe resources(oil) in the middle east, look it up and you'll see. :wink: ..... :? Or maybe they would rather let the chiness do it?... :lol: :lol:

[The Comrade]

psholtz wrote: The Comrade wrote: psholtz wrote: The Comrade wrote: is his field in chemistry and engineering?
I think it's physics..

then why is he doing a study on something a chemist or an engineer should be doing?
Building collapse is pretty squarely in the field of physics..

Far moreso than chemistry..

I believe he's done research on other building collapses too (although I'm not certain).


thermate is a chemical.

applying it to the destruction of a building is engineering.

things like gravity, velocity, blah blah blah. those are what involve physics, not the study of the the thermate or the cause of the collapse.

[Patriot911]

psholtz wrote: The Comrade wrote: psholtz wrote: The Comrade wrote: is his field in chemistry and engineering?
I think it's physics..

then why is he doing a study on something a chemist or an engineer should be doing?
Building collapse is pretty squarely in the field of physics..

Far moreso than chemistry..

I believe he's done research on other building collapses too (although I'm not certain).

Structural engineering is not quite the same as physics although they are related. I've not seen any reference to Steven Jones being involved in any other building collapses.

Strange how you don't see any structural engineers claiming the buildings shouldn't have fallen. You DO, however, see numerous structural engineers able to recreate the events that caused the collapse of the WTC.... ;-)

[The Comrade]

Claudia Schiffer wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Claudia Schiffer wrote: O.K. I admit it, Osama is really stupid, and he gave the opportunity of a life time to the Neocons to execute their plans for control of the middle east resources. :roll:..pure luck!

How do you think history will look at this? :wink:

Like Osama was really stupid and his little plan backfired. He thought we would cut and run like we did every other time he stood up to us. How was he to know Bush wasn't going to just lob a couple cruise missiles and forget about it? He has even commented on this very topic.

Unfortunately for you, your assertion that "the neocons" have control of Middle East resources is about as accurate as your normal statements, which is to say completely wrong and unfounded.

WHere is Osama BTW?..Where's the boogieman?...Boogie wonder land! ou! ou! ou! Boog.... :lol:

The neocons want to controlethe resources(oil) in the middle east, look it up and you'll see. :wink: ..... :? Or maybe they would rather let the chiness do it?... :lol: :lol:


osama is in the mountainous region between afghanistan and pakistan.

if not, he's dead and buried and we don't know where.

[psholtz]

Claudia Schiffer wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Claudia Schiffer wrote: O.K. I admit it, Osama is really stupid, and he gave the opportunity of a life time to the Neocons to execute their plans for control of the middle east resources. :roll:..pure luck!

How do you think history will look at this? :wink:

Like Osama was really stupid and his little plan backfired. He thought we would cut and run like we did every other time he stood up to us. How was he to know Bush wasn't going to just lob a couple cruise missiles and forget about it? He has even commented on this very topic.

Unfortunately for you, your assertion that "the neocons" have control of Middle East resources is about as accurate as your normal statements, which is to say completely wrong and unfounded.

WHere is Osama BTW?..Where's the boogieman?...Boogie wonder land! ou! ou! ou! Boog.... :lol:

The neocons want to controlethe resources(oil) in the middle east, look it up and you'll see. :wink: ..... :? Or maybe they would rather let the chiness do it?... :lol: :lol:
I'm still waiting for Patriot to explain that rant myself...

Seriously... how has OBL been "harmed" or "constrained" in any way??..

All you've (by which I mean, the American public) done is give his family billions of your own tax dollars.. :roll:

[Patriot911]

psholtz wrote: Claudia Schiffer wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Claudia Schiffer wrote: O.K. I admit it, Osama is really stupid, and he gave the opportunity of a life time to the Neocons to execute their plans for control of the middle east resources. :roll:..pure luck!

How do you think history will look at this? :wink:

Like Osama was really stupid and his little plan backfired. He thought we would cut and run like we did every other time he stood up to us. How was he to know Bush wasn't going to just lob a couple cruise missiles and forget about it? He has even commented on this very topic.

Unfortunately for you, your assertion that "the neocons" have control of Middle East resources is about as accurate as your normal statements, which is to say completely wrong and unfounded.

WHere is Osama BTW?..Where's the boogieman?...Boogie wonder land! ou! ou! ou! Boog.... :lol:

The neocons want to controlethe resources(oil) in the middle east, look it up and you'll see. :wink: ..... :? Or maybe they would rather let the chiness do it?... :lol: :lol:
I'm still waiting for Patriot to explain that rant myself...

Seriously... how has OBL been "harmed" or "constrained" in any way??..

All you've (by which I mean, the American public) done is give his family billions of your own tax dollars.. :roll:

:roll: More unsubstantiated claims from Psholtz. One really shouldn't be surprised at this point.

Lets see. He's lost a country and a government that backed him. He's lost support from other governments who don't want to be associated with him anymore. He lost a fellow terrorist when Saddam fell out of power. He's lost numerous members and leaders of Al Qaeda. Yeah, he hasn't lost anything..... :roll:

[psholtz]

Patriot911 wrote: Lets see. He's lost a country and a government that backed him. He's lost support from other governments who don't want to be associated with him anymore. He lost a fellow terrorist when Saddam fell out of power. He's lost numerous members and leaders of Al Qaeda. Yeah, he hasn't lost anything.....
You're right..

I don't think he's lost much of anything.

I don't think he's been hurt in any way.

If he's still alive, he's probably still getting dialysis at U.S. military bases. The same U.S. military bases that his very own family built and which were built using the tax money that you knowingly and willingly gave to Washington..

You beginning to sense a scam in all this?

It's not that hard.. really.

[The Comrade]

how would hundreds, possibly thousands of people not blow the lid off of such a thing.

[psholtz]

The Comrade wrote: how would hundreds, possibly thousands of people not blow the lid off of such a thing.
Whether and where he's getting dialysis is tangential ...

The point is, I don't think he's lost much of anything.

I don't think he's been hurt in much of any way.

He's probably profited very handsomely from his whole "WoT" business by every sensible measure of wealth.

[The Comrade]

psholtz wrote: The Comrade wrote: how would hundreds, possibly thousands of people not blow the lid off of such a thing.
Whether and where he's getting dialysis is tangential ...

The point is, I don't think he's lost much of anything.

I don't think he's been hurt in much of any way.

He's probably profited very handsomely from his whole "WoT" business by every sensible measure of wealth.


no, you brought up military bases.


now i want a full explination of how dialysis could be performed at these military bases you brought up.

[Patriot911]

One can only sense the scam once they set aside every piece of common sense and logic...... or have a lobotomy.

[psholtz]

The Comrade wrote: psholtz wrote: The Comrade wrote: how would hundreds, possibly thousands of people not blow the lid off of such a thing.
Whether and where he's getting dialysis is tangential ...

The point is, I don't think he's lost much of anything.

I don't think he's been hurt in much of any way.

He's probably profited very handsomely from his whole "WoT" business by every sensible measure of wealth.


no, you brought up military bases.


now i want a full explination of how dialysis could be performed at these military bases you brought up.
Military bases have medical units..

I'm *sure* they've able to do kidney dialysis there.. :roll:

The Americans are just a *little* famous for being high-tech, right?

Specifically, there was a report in the French press that OBL received dialysis at a US base in Dubai in July 2001. You see my point..

And the broader point is that OBL has *not* been hurt in any way by the U.S. "attacks" on Afghanistan.. He was already living in a cave anyway (so they say). I guess he's like Batman (<- also a very eccentric, wealthy indiviudal, n'est pas?). He likes it. You can say just b/c he's living in cave, that he's "lost" something..

[William Amos]

Medius wrote: The Comrade wrote: upon reading the points brought up by patriot and amos i do indeed believe he is lying by omittion, or just flat out ****.


also, about DARPA.


although i think your banker theories are rediculous, i personally find DARPA to be one of the stealthiest and dangerous entities in the united states.

I think most of the problems Steven Jones may have is simply being taken out of context or possibly being fed false data (which he has been clear about not having a proper chain of evidence on the metal residue he has obtained).

If you read up on his background, he has shown to be a trustworthy academic in the past. While other professors at BYU were suggesting that they had created cold-fusion and solved the world's energy problems, he was a clear dissenter. Rather than pushing along with them to gain false academic fame, he clearly stated that the findings at the time were insufficient to cure any problem and would take may years before even the smallest applications were possible (such as powering a flashlight).

I don't defend him for his 9/11 research, but rather, because he is a human being who has shown himself to be ethical in the past. I think it would be better to give him the benefit of the doubt and attack the actual weak point, which is the sample itself.

Again I give you his book title Martial Law 9/11 Rise of the Police State
and tell me there isnt a mindset there to create a fictional account to support his lunatic theories ?

[The Comrade]

psholtz wrote: The Comrade wrote: psholtz wrote: The Comrade wrote: how would hundreds, possibly thousands of people not blow the lid off of such a thing.
Whether and where he's getting dialysis is tangential ...

The point is, I don't think he's lost much of anything.

I don't think he's been hurt in much of any way.

He's probably profited very handsomely from his whole "WoT" business by every sensible measure of wealth.


no, you brought up military bases.


now i want a full explination of how dialysis could be performed at these military bases you brought up.
Military bases have medical units..

I'm *sure* they've able to do kidney dialysis there.. :roll:

The Americans are just a *little* famous for being high-tech, right?

Specifically, there was a report in the French press that OBL received dialysis at a US base in Dubai in July 2001. You see my point..

And the broader point is that OBL has *not* been hurt in any way by the U.S. "attacks" on Afghanistan.. He was already living in a cave anyway (so they say). I guess he's like Batman (<- also a very eccentric, wealthy indiviudal, n'est pas?). He likes it. You can say just b/c he's living in cave, that he's "lost" something..


a ton of people would have blown the lid off of something like that.

link to this french "report"

and he has been hurt. he is lackign support, funds, and personel.

[psholtz]

The Comrade wrote: and he has been hurt. he is lackign support, funds, and personel.
And you guys accuse me of making wild speculations... :lol:

Don't believe everything your TV programs you to believe..

If he's so lacking in support, funds and personnel, then why hasn't the FBI been able to catch him after all these years? :think:

Clearly, someone is supporting him, he has some personnel somewhere and he's able to make his cave-rent payments on time w/o facing eviction by his cavelord..

[The Comrade]

psholtz wrote: The Comrade wrote: and he has been hurt. he is lackign support, funds, and personel.
And you guys accuse me of making wild speculations... :lol:

Don't believe everything your TV programs you to believe..

If he's so lacking in support, funds and personnel, then why hasn't the FBI been able to catch him after all these years? :think:

Clearly, someone is supporting him, he has some personnel somewhere and he's able to make his cave-rent payments on time w/o facing eviction by his cavelord..


fewer people means fewer possibilities to trace something back to him.


if he had any sort of real money and support he would be able to make somewhat effective attacks into southern afghanistan.

[psholtz]

The Comrade wrote: fewer people means fewer possibilities to trace something back to him.


if he had any sort of real money and support he would be able to make somewhat effective attacks into southern afghanistan.
What makes you think he's even REMOTELY interested in making ANY attack against the US *at all* in Afghanistan??

His interest, I'm sure, is drugs and oil.. which is the CIA interest in the region as well.