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ubikk · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 2285

CHICAGO - Mayor Richard Daley vetoed an ordinance Monday that would have required mega-retailers to pay their workers more than other employers after some of the nation's largest stores including Wal-Mart Stores Inc. warned the measure would keep them from opening their doors within the city's limits.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060911/ap_on_re_us/chicago_living_wage

Too bad he caved to pressure from big business. Who cares if Walmart threatened not to open any more stores in the city? Costco or Kroger or someone other company that already pays living wages would have. If there's a market, someone will build.

Big raspberries for Mayor Daley!

citizen_X · Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 263

I'm sick of these **** companies and corporations pissing and moaning about thier bottom line, what is the min wage down there?, 5bux?, up here its 8bux, big whoop, how the hell anyone can survive off that, if they can, they should receive the purple heart.

Up here in the Yukon, companies are hard up for workers, good, 8bux, doesnt cut it, our papers is filled with this trash, POOR BUSINESS'. Tim Hortons pays 10bux a hour, wow, get onto walmart, lucky for 12bux, that may seem high to you guys down there, but in reality we pay higher for some transportation BS.

This is what I dont get, I stroll into a Mcdonalds here and get 9bux/hr, I go to Fort McMurray in AB and get 22bux/hr plus a $4000 signing bonus, hmmmmmmmmmm, if they can afford to pay that there, why the hell arent they paying that in the Yukon, oh yeah, the "bottom line" BS. Every company out there is another Enron, I've lost faith in capitalism the day enron got busted and on that same day, the price of coffee at tim hortons went up 20cents, same size of cup, no new services, just up the price, go die.

MplsBison · Joined: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 3359

citizen_X wrote: the price of coffee at tim hortons went up 20cents, same size of cup, no new services, just up the price, go die.

And you still bought it, didn't you?

You know what that tells me?

They need to up the price until you stop buying it.

Thrilla · Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 22243 Location: Sin City

ubikk wrote: CHICAGO - Mayor Richard Daley vetoed an ordinance Monday that would have required mega-retailers to pay their workers more than other employers after some of the nation's largest stores including Wal-Mart Stores Inc. warned the measure would keep them from opening their doors within the city's limits.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060911/ap_on_re_us/chicago_living_wage

Too bad he caved to pressure from big business. Who cares if Walmart threatened not to open any more stores in the city? Costco or Kroger or someone other company that already pays living wages would have. If there's a market, someone will build.

Big raspberries for Mayor Daley! good for Daley!

what gives the city government the right to dictate wages to one business but not another?... seems rather discriminatory to me.

citizen_X · Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 263

tman_ndsu08 wrote: citizen_X wrote: the price of coffee at tim hortons went up 20cents, same size of cup, no new services, just up the price, go die.

And you still bought it, didn't you?

You know what that tells me?

They need to up the price until you stop buying it.

Actually my buddy bought it, then we went and bought some good ole Nabob and decided that going out for coffee was getting expensive, considerin the gas n all.

rye · Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 711

[quote="Thrilla"] ubikk wrote: good for Daley!

what gives the city government the right to dictate wages to one business but not another?... seems rather discriminatory to me.

The city clearly has the right to regulate business within its borders.

Are you honestly concerned with the civil rights of a corporation? Your concerned that WalMart was being discriminated against? You know their not people, right?

CountryGuy · Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 1027 Location: Pennsylvania

They are not people, but they are a business that apparently was (is?) being targeted unfairly.

So, Mom & Pop's store can continue paying nothing for salaries, while Wal Mart or Target get to pay top dollar for staff? Why, exactly, is this the case -- Particularly given they don't regulate salaries for other individual markets?

Thrilla · Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 22243 Location: Sin City

[quote="rye"] Thrilla wrote: ubikk wrote: good for Daley!

what gives the city government the right to dictate wages to one business but not another?... seems rather discriminatory to me.

The city clearly has the right to regulate business within its borders.

Are you honestly concerned with the civil rights of a corporation? Your concerned that WalMart was being discriminated against? You know their not people, right? I dont give 2 ***** about Walmart... but i am concerned with government overstepping their bounds and laying down exclusionary and discriminatory legislature.

if Chicago want a "livable wage" law... fine...I dont live there...so their socialism doesnt effect me.... but it has to apply to every business.

ubikk · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 2285

CountryGuy wrote: They are not people, but they are a business that apparently was (is?) being targeted unfairly.

So, Mom & Pop's store can continue paying nothing for salaries, while Wal Mart or Target get to pay top dollar for staff? Why, exactly, is this the case -- Particularly given they don't regulate salaries for other individual markets?

It applied to businesses over a certain size. There are a LOT of regulations that only apply to businesses above or below a certain size. There are also exceptions for seasonal businesses.

BigOMG

ubikk wrote:
Too bad he caved to pressure from big business. Who cares if Walmart threatened not to open any more stores in the city? Costco or Kroger or someone other company that already pays living wages would have. If there's a market, someone will build.

Big raspberries for Mayor Daley!

Yeah, he's a bad boy, ensuring that the people of Chicago will continue to have reasonably priced goods and jobs to pay for them with. He's evil.

citizen_X · Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 263

No mention on how much the CEOs make, too much, workers that make em that money, what a joke.

BigOMG · Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:06 am Post subject:

citizen_X wrote: No mention on how much the CEOs make, too much, workers that make em that money, what a joke.

What does that have to do with the Mayor making a smart decision?

ikari · Joined: 24 Sep 2004 Posts: 7184 Location: Colorado

ubikk wrote: CHICAGO - Mayor Richard Daley vetoed an ordinance Monday that would have required mega-retailers to pay their workers more than other employers after some of the nation's largest stores including Wal-Mart Stores Inc. warned the measure would keep them from opening their doors within the city's limits.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060911/ap_on_re_us/chicago_living_wage

Too bad he caved to pressure from big business. Who cares if Walmart threatened not to open any more stores in the city? Costco or Kroger or someone other company that already pays living wages would have. If there's a market, someone will build.

Big raspberries for Mayor Daley!

He didn't cave...this is Chicago we are talking about. This was nothing more than a "give me money or we're gonna screw with you" crap that is so common in Chicago politics. There was nothing new about this, Chicago politics run on greed and corruption. This big box ordinance was never going to ratified in Chicago.

wyldejackyl · Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 7199 Location: Chicago, IL

I live in Chicago.

Daley vetoed the ordinance, but I'm unsure if the City Council still has enough votes to pass it anyway. I have mixed feelings about it.

We also just banned foie gras here and the nation is laughing at us, first of all. :) Our city government is law-crazy when it comes to repressing freedom. PM me about the red light cameras, the parking tickets, and the "legal" system associated with them...I can write an essay for you on corruption and illegal practices.
As far as the big box ordinance goes, I hate it when governments tell businesses how much they should pay just so the "underprivileged" get what they "deserve," while not necessarily working for that particular wage. That's socialism.
On the other hand, I absolutely hate Walmart and all it stands for (selling out our country to chinese manufacture in the quest to undercut everyone). Walmart puts ma and pa businesses out of business precisely because people, with a lower standard of living virtually guaranteed by today's economy, want waht's cheap cheap cheap. It's not about what's quality, what's made here, or the knowledge of the salespeople..half the people that work at my Walmart can't even speak passible english.
I support small business (especially those in my neighborhood, exclusively, when possible) for just these reasons. To me, competition is more than price..but for the idiot average american consumer, it's the be-all-end-all.
F*** Walmart and the plastic, Made in China horse they rode in on! The last thing we need is more of these warehouses of filth. Since Walmart moved into an area north of me, the surrounding half mile or so has gotten seedier, dirtier, with a greater need for security staff to keep people from stealing. Wasn't always like that.