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Revenant
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:00 pm Post subject: Should we launch another investigation into 9/11? |
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I vote yes, quite simply, because the 9/11 Commission Report was half-assed.
People, yes even me, are skeptical about it, and would like to see everything on the table. Launching an investigation into it couldn't be a bad thing, right? |
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Medius
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: Should we launch another investigation into 9/11? |
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Revenant wrote: I vote yes, quite simply, because the 9/11 Commission Report was half-assed.
People, yes even me, are skeptical about it, and would like to see everything on the table. Launching an investigation into it couldn't be a bad thing, right?
Agreed, it isn't that I want the government to be guilty or I have some need to believe in conspiracy theories, I just don't like to swallow poorly formed explanations and half-researched investigations.
Without a better investigation, I don't see how we can even suggest that our country is making progress in the fight against terrorism. |
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NAB
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: Should we launch another investigation into 9/11? |
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Medius wrote: Revenant wrote: I vote yes, quite simply, because the 9/11 Commission Report was half-assed.
People, yes even me, are skeptical about it, and would like to see everything on the table. Launching an investigation into it couldn't be a bad thing, right?
Agreed, it isn't that I want the government to be guilty or I have some need to believe in conspiracy theories, I just don't like to swallow poorly formed explanations and half-researched investigations.
Without a better investigation, I don't see how we can even suggest that our country is making progress in the fight against terrorism.
I pretty much agree with both of you. I would like further/better investigation to be done for a few reasons
1-Clear up any inherent inconsistencies
2-Find out who f'ed-up and make some people take responsibilties for their actions (Regardless of what party they represent)
3-Bring to rest the crazy-assed theories for once and all OR see if there's any truth to any of them.
I had a talk with my wife the other night concerning this 911 inside theory thing. While I'm NO believer in the majority of the Overly-complex and unworkable theories presented by many, I want to make sure no one in my government had any "real" prior knowledge and failed to act purposely. When I was talking to my wife about this she said if real, incontrovertable truth came out that the USG purposely committed this act she would want to leave this country. I kind of agree with her.
Not packing my bags just yet. |
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Patriot911
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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I voted Nay because it isn't going to convince anyone of anything. The conspiracy theory crowd is already convinced of a conspiracy and nothing will change their minds. It would be a waste of millions more dollars for not a lot of gain.
Now if you were talking about an investigation into who, if anyone, screwed up, I would be for that. But going over the NIST reports or trying to prove explosives etc. etc, THAT is a waste of time and money. |
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LostSoul3412
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Further investigation is not required. Everything is under control. Please proceed with your regularly scheduled activities. |
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Revenant
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm curious why people believe we shouldn't launch another investigation. |
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Medius
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Patriot911 wrote: I voted Nay because it isn't going to convince anyone of anything. The conspiracy theory crowd is already convinced of a conspiracy and nothing will change their minds. It would be a waste of millions more dollars for not a lot of gain.
Now if you were talking about an investigation into who, if anyone, screwed up, I would be for that. But going over the NIST reports or trying to prove explosives etc. etc, THAT is a waste of time and money.
I think this is where we butt heads Patriot. I don't want an investigation to "convince" anyone, but rather show people that the best attempt possible has been made to understand the events surrounding this event. I seek the truth and I would like it to come from a source that has clearly shown some actual interest in finding this truth.
This investigation should have been the first damn thing we did before investing any money into this failed war on terror. Without knowing why our defenses failed and why our buildings fell and why the government isn't releasing some details, how can we expect to stop such an event from occuring again? |
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psholtz
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, but don't let Congress - or even anyone in Washington - run the investigation..
The investigation needs to be truly independent.
In large part the investigation is being conducted as we speak, by millions of concerned Americans around the nation.
Just don't appoint Kissinger to run the things again... :lol:
Q: Mr. Kissinger, do you feel you're in a position to run this investigation in an objective, impartial way?
A: Of course!
Q: 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia.. Do you have any clients on your roster, Mr. Kissinger, who are Saudi billionaires and who are known to finance Islamic terrorism against U.S. interests and are wanted by U.S. authorities for this reason?
A: *Kissinger flops back and forth mindlessly*
Q: Mr. Kissinger, do you have any clients who go by the name of "bin Laden"?
A: *Kissinger flops off chair and falls on ground, white w/ terror*
Well... guess we can't use him as an "independent" investigator..
What a joke.. :roll: |
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Claudia Schiffer
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LostSoul3412 wrote: Further investigation is not required. Everything is under control. Please proceed with your regularly scheduled activities.
:lol: :lol: :lol: crazy MTF.. :lol: |
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Patriot911
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Medius wrote: Patriot911 wrote: I voted Nay because it isn't going to convince anyone of anything. The conspiracy theory crowd is already convinced of a conspiracy and nothing will change their minds. It would be a waste of millions more dollars for not a lot of gain.
Now if you were talking about an investigation into who, if anyone, screwed up, I would be for that. But going over the NIST reports or trying to prove explosives etc. etc, THAT is a waste of time and money.
I think this is where we butt heads Patriot. I don't want an investigation to "convince" anyone, but rather show people that the best attempt possible has been made to understand the events surrounding this event. I seek the truth and I would like it to come from a source that has clearly shown some actual interest in finding this truth.
Most people believe a best attempt possible has already been made. Some people believe a coverup has happened. Further investigation into who did what when MIGHT convince some of them. Conspiracy theorists wouldn't be convinced if Christ himself came down, performed a bunch of miracles to prove he is the Son of God and told them the truth. They would claim he is an agent. :lol:
Medius wrote: This investigation should have been the first damn thing we did before investing any money into this failed war on terror. Without knowing why our defenses failed and why our buildings fell and why the government isn't releasing some details, how can we expect to stop such an event from occuring again?
Why our defenses failed is the only valid reason for an investigation. Everything else is fluff. Why the buildings fell is irrelevant towards the war on terror, but should be studied to make buildings safer. Numerous third party investigations have already been performed and confirm the government findings. As for why the government isn't releasing details, part of it was because of an ongoing investigation. The other part is the government has NEVER been 100% open to disclosure. 9/11 is no different. The truths will eventually come out. |
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Patriot911
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psholtz wrote: Yes, but don't let Congress - or even anyone in Washington - run the investigation..
The investigation needs to be truly independent.
In large part the investigation is being conducted as we speak, by millions of concerned Americans around the nation.
Just don't appoint Kissinger to run the things again... :lol:
Q: Mr. Kissinger, do you feel you're in a position to run this investigation in an objective, impartial way?
A: Of course!
Q: 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia.. Do you have any clients on your roster, Mr. Kissinger, who are Saudi billionaires and who are known to finance Islamic terrorism against U.S. interests and are wanted by U.S. authorities for this reason?
A: *Kissinger flops back and forth mindlessly*
Q: Mr. Kissinger, do you have any clients who go by the name of "bin Laden"?
A: *Kissinger flops off chair and falls on ground, white w/ terror*
Well... guess we can't use him as an "independent" investigator..
What a joke.. :roll:
Yeah, like you would believe ANY report that didn't confirm your conspiracy. We know you better than that Psholtz. |
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psholtz
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: Yes, but don't let Congress - or even anyone in Washington - run the investigation..
The investigation needs to be truly independent.
In large part the investigation is being conducted as we speak, by millions of concerned Americans around the nation.
Just don't appoint Kissinger to run the things again... :lol:
Q: Mr. Kissinger, do you feel you're in a position to run this investigation in an objective, impartial way?
A: Of course!
Q: 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia.. Do you have any clients on your roster, Mr. Kissinger, who are Saudi billionaires and who are known to finance Islamic terrorism against U.S. interests and are wanted by U.S. authorities for this reason?
A: *Kissinger flops back and forth mindlessly*
Q: Mr. Kissinger, do you have any clients who go by the name of "bin Laden"?
A: *Kissinger flops off chair and falls on ground, white w/ terror*
Well... guess we can't use him as an "independent" investigator..
What a joke.. :roll:
Yeah, like you would believe ANY report that didn't confirm your conspiracy. We know you better than that Psholtz.
What I just gave you is an abridged and not-as-far-fetched-as-you-probably-think synopsis of Kissinger's "confirmation" hearing to be head of the "impartial" 9/11 Commission.
Clearly, Kissinger failed..
You can look it up yourself. |
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Patriot911
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: Yes, but don't let Congress - or even anyone in Washington - run the investigation..
The investigation needs to be truly independent.
In large part the investigation is being conducted as we speak, by millions of concerned Americans around the nation.
Just don't appoint Kissinger to run the things again... :lol:
Q: Mr. Kissinger, do you feel you're in a position to run this investigation in an objective, impartial way?
A: Of course!
Q: 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia.. Do you have any clients on your roster, Mr. Kissinger, who are Saudi billionaires and who are known to finance Islamic terrorism against U.S. interests and are wanted by U.S. authorities for this reason?
A: *Kissinger flops back and forth mindlessly*
Q: Mr. Kissinger, do you have any clients who go by the name of "bin Laden"?
A: *Kissinger flops off chair and falls on ground, white w/ terror*
Well... guess we can't use him as an "independent" investigator..
What a joke.. :roll:
Yeah, like you would believe ANY report that didn't confirm your conspiracy. We know you better than that Psholtz.
What I just gave you is an abridged and not-as-far-fetched-as-you-probably-think synopsis of Kissinger's "confirmation" hearing to be head of the "impartial" 9/11 Commission.
Clearly, Kissinger failed..
You can look it up yourself.
Way to duck the point as usual. Would you or would you not accept an impartial investigation if it found that the government story was correct? The answer is no. We both know it. It is just that only one of us is willing to admit it. ;-) |
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psholtz
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: Yes, but don't let Congress - or even anyone in Washington - run the investigation..
The investigation needs to be truly independent.
In large part the investigation is being conducted as we speak, by millions of concerned Americans around the nation.
Just don't appoint Kissinger to run the things again... :lol:
Q: Mr. Kissinger, do you feel you're in a position to run this investigation in an objective, impartial way?
A: Of course!
Q: 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia.. Do you have any clients on your roster, Mr. Kissinger, who are Saudi billionaires and who are known to finance Islamic terrorism against U.S. interests and are wanted by U.S. authorities for this reason?
A: *Kissinger flops back and forth mindlessly*
Q: Mr. Kissinger, do you have any clients who go by the name of "bin Laden"?
A: *Kissinger flops off chair and falls on ground, white w/ terror*
Well... guess we can't use him as an "independent" investigator..
What a joke.. :roll:
Yeah, like you would believe ANY report that didn't confirm your conspiracy. We know you better than that Psholtz.
Here's some info on Kissinger's role in the 9/11 Coverup you might be interested in:
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.101.gif
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.102.gif
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.103.gif
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.104.gif
I've been told I can't post these inline on this forum, since they contain profanities, but I can post links to them (at least, that's what a mod said a long time ago) |
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BigOMG
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No.
It would be a huge waste of money and only give these tinfoil warriors of the Internet more airtime and "credibility" *snorts* which would only make the loved one of the people killed on that day suffer again.
Do we really need more grandstanding from politicians? |
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Revenant
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: Yes, but don't let Congress - or even anyone in Washington - run the investigation..
The investigation needs to be truly independent.
In large part the investigation is being conducted as we speak, by millions of concerned Americans around the nation.
Just don't appoint Kissinger to run the things again... :lol:
Q: Mr. Kissinger, do you feel you're in a position to run this investigation in an objective, impartial way?
A: Of course!
Q: 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia.. Do you have any clients on your roster, Mr. Kissinger, who are Saudi billionaires and who are known to finance Islamic terrorism against U.S. interests and are wanted by U.S. authorities for this reason?
A: *Kissinger flops back and forth mindlessly*
Q: Mr. Kissinger, do you have any clients who go by the name of "bin Laden"?
A: *Kissinger flops off chair and falls on ground, white w/ terror*
Well... guess we can't use him as an "independent" investigator..
What a joke.. :roll:
Yeah, like you would believe ANY report that didn't confirm your conspiracy. We know you better than that Psholtz.
Here's some info on Kissinger's role in the 9/11 Coverup you might be interested in:
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.101.gif
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.102.gif
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.103.gif
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.104.gif
I've been told I can't post these inline on this forum, since they contain profanities, but I can post links to them (at least, that's what a mod said a long time ago)
Hypothetically, if the independent investigation confirmed the official story, would you accept the results? |
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BigOMG
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Revenant wrote: psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: Yes, but don't let Congress - or even anyone in Washington - run the investigation..
The investigation needs to be truly independent.
In large part the investigation is being conducted as we speak, by millions of concerned Americans around the nation.
Just don't appoint Kissinger to run the things again... :lol:
Q: Mr. Kissinger, do you feel you're in a position to run this investigation in an objective, impartial way?
A: Of course!
Q: 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia.. Do you have any clients on your roster, Mr. Kissinger, who are Saudi billionaires and who are known to finance Islamic terrorism against U.S. interests and are wanted by U.S. authorities for this reason?
A: *Kissinger flops back and forth mindlessly*
Q: Mr. Kissinger, do you have any clients who go by the name of "bin Laden"?
A: *Kissinger flops off chair and falls on ground, white w/ terror*
Well... guess we can't use him as an "independent" investigator..
What a joke.. :roll:
Yeah, like you would believe ANY report that didn't confirm your conspiracy. We know you better than that Psholtz.
Here's some info on Kissinger's role in the 9/11 Coverup you might be interested in:
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.101.gif
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.102.gif
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.103.gif
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.104.gif
I've been told I can't post these inline on this forum, since they contain profanities, but I can post links to them (at least, that's what a mod said a long time ago)
Hypothetically, if the independent investigation confirmed the official story, would you accept the results?
I can answer that for him.
No, it would just be part of the greater cover-up and conspiracy. |
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Revenant
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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BigOMG wrote: Revenant wrote: psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: Yes, but don't let Congress - or even anyone in Washington - run the investigation..
The investigation needs to be truly independent.
In large part the investigation is being conducted as we speak, by millions of concerned Americans around the nation.
Just don't appoint Kissinger to run the things again... :lol:
Q: Mr. Kissinger, do you feel you're in a position to run this investigation in an objective, impartial way?
A: Of course!
Q: 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia.. Do you have any clients on your roster, Mr. Kissinger, who are Saudi billionaires and who are known to finance Islamic terrorism against U.S. interests and are wanted by U.S. authorities for this reason?
A: *Kissinger flops back and forth mindlessly*
Q: Mr. Kissinger, do you have any clients who go by the name of "bin Laden"?
A: *Kissinger flops off chair and falls on ground, white w/ terror*
Well... guess we can't use him as an "independent" investigator..
What a joke.. :roll:
Yeah, like you would believe ANY report that didn't confirm your conspiracy. We know you better than that Psholtz.
Here's some info on Kissinger's role in the 9/11 Coverup you might be interested in:
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.101.gif
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.102.gif
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.103.gif
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.104.gif
I've been told I can't post these inline on this forum, since they contain profanities, but I can post links to them (at least, that's what a mod said a long time ago)
Hypothetically, if the independent investigation confirmed the official story, would you accept the results?
I can answer that for him.
No, it would just be part of the greater cover-up and conspiracy.
Thank you for the prediction ( :roll: ), I would like to hear his response. |
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psholtz
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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BigOMG wrote: No.
It would be a huge waste of money and only give these tinfoil warriors of the Internet more airtime and "credibility" *snorts* which would only make the loved one of the people killed on that day suffer again.
Do we really need more grandstanding from politicians?
You spend $100 million investigating Clinton's sex life, and you only spend $14 million investigating 9/11, and you think you've discovered all there is to know?
In fact, the original budget for 9/11 Commission was only a paltry $3 million, but that was raised after massive public pressure. |
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psholtz
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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Revenant wrote: psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: Yes, but don't let Congress - or even anyone in Washington - run the investigation..
The investigation needs to be truly independent.
In large part the investigation is being conducted as we speak, by millions of concerned Americans around the nation.
Just don't appoint Kissinger to run the things again... :lol:
Q: Mr. Kissinger, do you feel you're in a position to run this investigation in an objective, impartial way?
A: Of course!
Q: 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia.. Do you have any clients on your roster, Mr. Kissinger, who are Saudi billionaires and who are known to finance Islamic terrorism against U.S. interests and are wanted by U.S. authorities for this reason?
A: *Kissinger flops back and forth mindlessly*
Q: Mr. Kissinger, do you have any clients who go by the name of "bin Laden"?
A: *Kissinger flops off chair and falls on ground, white w/ terror*
Well... guess we can't use him as an "independent" investigator..
What a joke.. :roll:
Yeah, like you would believe ANY report that didn't confirm your conspiracy. We know you better than that Psholtz.
Here's some info on Kissinger's role in the 9/11 Coverup you might be interested in:
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.101.gif
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.102.gif
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.103.gif
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.104.gif
I've been told I can't post these inline on this forum, since they contain profanities, but I can post links to them (at least, that's what a mod said a long time ago)
Hypothetically, if the independent investigation confirmed the official story, would you accept the results?
I've done my own independent investigation and discovered that the 9/11 Commission Report is a total and complete lie.
So I'm not certain what it is that you're trying to ask..
It seems like you're trying to ask that if - hypothetically - an independent committee decreed that the world was flat, would I believe it? Again, the answer would be no, of course not. |
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