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milo1047 · Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 1143

Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: You version of gun control is hardly practical LL. You have yet to state a principle of what and why and your versions of gun control really do not interest many people and me included. Neither he nor I have ever tried to push our agenda down anyones throat, the exact opposite could be said about your insane agendas. You want nothing better than to strip people of their rights. That is what you have constantly preached and you want nothnig better than to see people surrender and be babysat by the govt. That is the agenda you have been pushing onto everyone around here. You lack the most important thing LL.....common sense.

I have no particular version of gun control, I am fine with the gun control systems in New York, Washington DC, California, Canada, Britain, Switzerland...
They are all very practical and very successful Lilwolf, they do make a lot of sense indeed.
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You do realise that in Switzerland, every able bodied male or female in the military has an automatic rifle and 50 rounds of ammunition in their house, right?

lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 14180 Location: idaho

milo1047 wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: You version of gun control is hardly practical LL. You have yet to state a principle of what and why and your versions of gun control really do not interest many people and me included. Neither he nor I have ever tried to push our agenda down anyones throat, the exact opposite could be said about your insane agendas. You want nothing better than to strip people of their rights. That is what you have constantly preached and you want nothnig better than to see people surrender and be babysat by the govt. That is the agenda you have been pushing onto everyone around here. You lack the most important thing LL.....common sense.

I have no particular version of gun control, I am fine with the gun control systems in New York, Washington DC, California, Canada, Britain, Switzerland...
They are all very practical and very successful Lilwolf, they do make a lot of sense indeed.
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You do realise that in Switzerland, every able bodied male or female in the military has an automatic rifle and 50 rounds of ammunition in their house, right?

Watch for the spin on your statement .... trust me if he responds it will get dull and boring very fast. :lol: :lol: :lol:

airo · Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 2583 Location: Tampa, Florida

It's like sadomasochism, without the sexual gratification.

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

milo1047 wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: You version of gun control is hardly practical LL. You have yet to state a principle of what and why and your versions of gun control really do not interest many people and me included. Neither he nor I have ever tried to push our agenda down anyones throat, the exact opposite could be said about your insane agendas. You want nothing better than to strip people of their rights. That is what you have constantly preached and you want nothnig better than to see people surrender and be babysat by the govt. That is the agenda you have been pushing onto everyone around here. You lack the most important thing LL.....common sense.

I have no particular version of gun control, I am fine with the gun control systems in New York, Washington DC, California, Canada, Britain, Switzerland...
They are all very practical and very successful Lilwolf, they do make a lot of sense indeed.
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You do realise that in Switzerland, every able bodied male or female in the military has an automatic rifle and 50 rounds of ammunition in their house, right?

Sure but do you know that the Swiss are not allowed to use this weapon except when ordered to do so Milo1047? In fact the Swiss are reforming their militia type of defence anyway.

Furthermore following a multiple murder of some politicians some years ago do you know that Switzerland has introduced a new set of gun control laws?

And to conclude guess what EU laws Switzerland is going to adopt?
The EU set of tough gun control laws.

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Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

lilwolf wrote: milo1047 wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: You version of gun control is hardly practical LL. You have yet to state a principle of what and why and your versions of gun control really do not interest many people and me included. Neither he nor I have ever tried to push our agenda down anyones throat, the exact opposite could be said about your insane agendas. You want nothing better than to strip people of their rights. That is what you have constantly preached and you want nothnig better than to see people surrender and be babysat by the govt. That is the agenda you have been pushing onto everyone around here. You lack the most important thing LL.....common sense.

I have no particular version of gun control, I am fine with the gun control systems in New York, Washington DC, California, Canada, Britain, Switzerland...
They are all very practical and very successful Lilwolf, they do make a lot of sense indeed.
:-D
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You do realise that in Switzerland, every able bodied male or female in the military has an automatic rifle and 50 rounds of ammunition in their house, right?

Watch for the spin on your statement .... trust me if he responds it will get dull and boring very fast. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Informative is what you should have said but you are right the plain truth is usually dull and boring, isn't it?

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lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 14180 Location: idaho

Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: milo1047 wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: You version of gun control is hardly practical LL. You have yet to state a principle of what and why and your versions of gun control really do not interest many people and me included. Neither he nor I have ever tried to push our agenda down anyones throat, the exact opposite could be said about your insane agendas. You want nothing better than to strip people of their rights. That is what you have constantly preached and you want nothnig better than to see people surrender and be babysat by the govt. That is the agenda you have been pushing onto everyone around here. You lack the most important thing LL.....common sense.

I have no particular version of gun control, I am fine with the gun control systems in New York, Washington DC, California, Canada, Britain, Switzerland...
They are all very practical and very successful Lilwolf, they do make a lot of sense indeed.
:-D
:-D

You do realise that in Switzerland, every able bodied male or female in the military has an automatic rifle and 50 rounds of ammunition in their house, right?

Watch for the spin on your statement .... trust me if he responds it will get dull and boring very fast. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Informative is what you should have said but you are right the plain truth is usually dull and boring, isn't it?

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From you it usually is. Not the truth mind you , but you usual spin on just about everything. You surprised me on your response, rather short. That's was a pleasant surprise. :lol:

milo1047 · Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 1143

Lucky Luke wrote: milo1047 wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: You version of gun control is hardly practical LL. You have yet to state a principle of what and why and your versions of gun control really do not interest many people and me included. Neither he nor I have ever tried to push our agenda down anyones throat, the exact opposite could be said about your insane agendas. You want nothing better than to strip people of their rights. That is what you have constantly preached and you want nothnig better than to see people surrender and be babysat by the govt. That is the agenda you have been pushing onto everyone around here. You lack the most important thing LL.....common sense.

I have no particular version of gun control, I am fine with the gun control systems in New York, Washington DC, California, Canada, Britain, Switzerland...
They are all very practical and very successful Lilwolf, they do make a lot of sense indeed.
:-D
:-D

You do realise that in Switzerland, every able bodied male or female in the military has an automatic rifle and 50 rounds of ammunition in their house, right?

Sure but do you know that the Swiss are not allowed to use this weapon except when ordered to do so Milo1047? In fact the Swiss are reforming their militia type of defence anyway.

Furthermore following a multiple murder of some politicians some years ago do you know that Switzerland has introduced a new set of gun control laws?

And to conclude guess what EU laws Switzerland is going to adopt?
The EU set of tough gun control laws.

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But the point is that they have an automatic rifle and ammunition easily availble to them. I don't see any murderous rampages in Switzerland, do you?

lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 14180 Location: idaho

milo1047 wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: milo1047 wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: You version of gun control is hardly practical LL. You have yet to state a principle of what and why and your versions of gun control really do not interest many people and me included. Neither he nor I have ever tried to push our agenda down anyones throat, the exact opposite could be said about your insane agendas. You want nothing better than to strip people of their rights. That is what you have constantly preached and you want nothnig better than to see people surrender and be babysat by the govt. That is the agenda you have been pushing onto everyone around here. You lack the most important thing LL.....common sense.

I have no particular version of gun control, I am fine with the gun control systems in New York, Washington DC, California, Canada, Britain, Switzerland...
They are all very practical and very successful Lilwolf, they do make a lot of sense indeed.
:-D
:-D

You do realise that in Switzerland, every able bodied male or female in the military has an automatic rifle and 50 rounds of ammunition in their house, right?

Sure but do you know that the Swiss are not allowed to use this weapon except when ordered to do so Milo1047? In fact the Swiss are reforming their militia type of defence anyway.

Furthermore following a multiple murder of some politicians some years ago do you know that Switzerland has introduced a new set of gun control laws?

And to conclude guess what EU laws Switzerland is going to adopt?
The EU set of tough gun control laws.

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But the point is that they have an automatic rifle and ammunition easily availble to them. I don't see any murderous rampages in Switzerland, do you?

And you won't unless you want to buy into the lame idea that all of us americans are lunatics and ready to go on a rmapage and just start shooting each other......That's what he will want you to believe.

That type of mental BS just astounds me...... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

milo1047 wrote:

But the point is that they have an automatic rifle and ammunition easily availble to them. I don't see any murderous rampages in Switzerland, do you?

But I told you there were one Milo1047, didn't you read my post?

Quote: 2001: Swiss gunman kills 14
A gunman has run amok in a central Switzerland government building, killing at least 14 people before turning the gun on himself.
Ten people were also injured - eight of them critically - in the country's worst mass killing.

Friedrich Leibacher entered the regional parliament building in Zug at 1030 (0930 BST) dressed in a mock police uniform and carrying an assault rifle, hand-gun and grenades.

He is believed to have been embroiled in a long-running dispute with local officials.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/27/newsid_2539000/2539769.stm

The Swiss parliament is debating as we speak how to remove the army ammunition from every Swiss home.

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Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

lilwolf wrote:

And you won't unless you want to buy into the lame idea that all of us americans are lunatics and ready to go on a rmapage and just start shooting each other......That's what he will want you to believe.

That type of mental BS just astounds me...... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

There are lunatics everywhere Lilwolf, this is why gun control laws are a good idea, everywhere:

Quote: 1996: Massacre in Dunblane school gym
A lone gunman has gone on a shooting spree at a school in Dunblane, Scotland, killing 16 children and their teacher.
The killer sprayed shots at random around the school gym in an attack that lasted just three minutes, but caused carnage in a class of five and six year olds. He then turned the gun on himself.

Twelve other children were taken to hospital in Stirling, where one is reported to have later died of his injuries.

The killer has been named as Thomas Hamilton, 43, a local man, who had once - briefly - been a scout master before being sacked by the Scout Association.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/13/newsid_2543000/2543277.stm

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lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 14180 Location: idaho

Ah yes, the dunbalne thing. Well that is your nations screw up and clearly not ours. You guys had the chance and you blew it and now they took your RTO away from you. Now you have to depend on Hobbie Bobbies to watch out for you.

Everybody has nuts in their nations. Gun control works well enough and no matter what anyone says you will not like it....so what. The large amount of gun owners which is 80 to 90 million strong say we will not allow additional dumb ass laws when the ones we have are working quite well.

Thrilla · Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 22242 Location: Sin City

Lucky Luke wrote:
There are lunatics everywhere Lilwolf

thank you for reminding me why i have the tools i need to defend myself and my family :-D

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

lilwolf wrote: Ah yes, the dunbalne thing. Well that is your nations screw up and clearly not ours. You guys had the chance and you blew it and now they took your RTO away from you. Now you have to depend on Hobbie Bobbies to watch out for you.

Everybody has nuts in their nations. Gun control works well enough and no matter what anyone says you will not like it....so what. The large amount of gun owners which is 80 to 90 million strong say we will not allow additional dumb ass laws when the ones we have are working quite well.

A lunatic obsessed with guns did that, we all agree that something had to be done to limit the risk of it happening again. British gun lovers were the first ones to call for tougher gun control laws and they willingly handed over their handguns.
We responded to the massacre of Dunblane just like the Swiss did.

It is certainly not working well in America where 8,000 American lives are lost every year needlessly, how many Dunblane's is it per year Lilwolf?
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Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

Thrilla wrote: Lucky Luke wrote:
There are lunatics everywhere Lilwolf

thank you for reminding me why i have the tools i need to defend myself and my family :-D

I isn't working Thrilla, your lunatics are well armed and killing Americans at an insane rate. Have your family living in a country with a low murder rate, it is the best protection you can give them.

Gun control is all about murder rate Thrilla, this is what you want to defend your family against, murder and yet you are going the wrong way about it.

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lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 14180 Location: idaho

Our guncontrol is working pretty well. We like our guns, and we are not about to give them up.

What makes us different is that we value them and unless you are an idiot you do not give up your guns without a fight.

milo1047 · Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 1143

Lucky Luke wrote: milo1047 wrote:

But the point is that they have an automatic rifle and ammunition easily availble to them. I don't see any murderous rampages in Switzerland, do you?

But I told you there were one Milo1047, didn't you read my post?

Quote: 2001: Swiss gunman kills 14
A gunman has run amok in a central Switzerland government building, killing at least 14 people before turning the gun on himself.
Ten people were also injured - eight of them critically - in the country's worst mass killing.

Friedrich Leibacher entered the regional parliament building in Zug at 1030 (0930 BST) dressed in a mock police uniform and carrying an assault rifle, hand-gun and grenades.

He is believed to have been embroiled in a long-running dispute with local officials.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/27/newsid_2539000/2539769.stm

The Swiss parliament is debating as we speak how to remove the army ammunition from every Swiss home.

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Too bad for the Swiss people about that parliament thing....one crazy ruins things for everyone. Have there been any other crazy bastards running around Switzerland? I mean, Switzerland does have a lower murder rate then the US and they do have all thsoe nasty automatic rifles.

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

lilwolf wrote: Our guncontrol is working pretty well. We like our guns, and we are not about to give them up.

What makes us different is that we value them and unless you are an idiot you do not give up your guns without a fight.

Your gun problem is out of control, America has a murder rate two to three times the murder rate of any nations of the rest of the western democratic world and 6 to 10 times the murder rate with firearms.

Your murder rate with handgun only is higher than most murder rates with all weapons in the rest of the western democratic world!

You are different Lilwolf, you are killing each other as an insane rate and most of the times with handguns, yet you don't understand when someone suggests that you would be better off with tougher handgun control laws.

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lilwolf · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 14180 Location: idaho

Thsi says that the crime rate is 38% lower and it comes from the NRA through the FBI reports....your favorite source

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?id=2445&issue=

70 Million More Guns…38% Less Violent Crime

Friday, September 22, 2006

Data released by the FBI on Monday showed that in 2005, the nation’s total violent crime rate was 38% lower than in 1991, when violent crime hit an all-time high. Rates of the individual categories of violent crime were also much lower in 2005 than in 1991. Murder was 43% lower, rape 25% lower, robbery 48% lower, and aggravated assault 33% lower. The FBI’s report came on the heels of a Bureau of Justice Statistics crime survey that found that violent crime was lower in 2005 than anytime in the survey’s 32-year history.

And that comes from your own FBI source dated 9/22/06

Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

milo1047 wrote:

Too bad for the Swiss people about that parliament thing....one crazy ruins things for everyone. Have there been any other crazy bastards running around Switzerland? I mean, Switzerland does have a lower murder rate then the US and they do have all thsoe nasty automatic rifles.

Having a lower murder rate than the US means nothing Milo1047, everyone in the western democratic world has a lower murder rate than the US.

Switzerland is very much concerned about the number of murders with firearms in such peaceful rich small country, of course they wouldn't be if they compared their murder rate with Alaska!

Quote: Military menace

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A recent study indicated that 58% of all murders in Switzerland were within the family. In the Netherlands, also a peaceful, prosperous Western European country, the figure is 29%.

Mr Boess blames the Swiss army's policy of requiring Swiss men, who all have to do military service, to keep their guns and ammunition at home in case of an emergency call-up.

What that means is that nearly all Swiss men have a Sturmgewehr - an assault rifle - stored somewhere in their homes.

Those who make it to officer level have an automatic pistol too, and when men leave the army, they are allowed to keep their guns. No licence is required.

"If things go wrong, he can go upstairs, get the gun, and shoot," says Mr Boess.

In most of Switzerland's "family dramas", an army gun is used. Stadler shot his famous wife with his officer's pistol.

"It's very common to hear women tell how their husbands remind them they have a gun in moments of tension," says Brigitte Schnegg, professor of gender politics at Berne University.

"They'll say: 'If you don't do what I want, don't forget I've got my gun upstairs.'"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4755143.stm

We are all concerned about murders except for people in America it seems reading American posters in this forum.

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Lucky Luke · Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 8662 Location: Scotland

lilwolf wrote: Thsi says that the crime rate is 38% lower and it comes from the NRA through the FBI reports....your favorite source

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?id=2445&issue=

70 Million More Guns…38% Less Violent Crime

Friday, September 22, 2006

Data released by the FBI on Monday showed that in 2005, the nation’s total violent crime rate was 38% lower than in 1991, when violent crime hit an all-time high. Rates of the individual categories of violent crime were also much lower in 2005 than in 1991. Murder was 43% lower, rape 25% lower, robbery 48% lower, and aggravated assault 33% lower. The FBI’s report came on the heels of a Bureau of Justice Statistics crime survey that found that violent crime was lower in 2005 than anytime in the survey’s 32-year history.

And that comes from your own FBI source dated 9/22/06

And?

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