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[Lucky Luke]

CCD wrote: ...................

Lucky Luke wrote: Gun control laws are written for all CCD not only for you and your gun, this is the same for all laws you know.
Which is my point entirely. Since my gun has not been used to commit a crime, and its owner has no intention of committing a crime with it, I ought not be restricted in its use for its intended, lawful purpose: protecting myself against violent attack.

My gun is already controlled: by me.

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That could be said by anyone regarding all laws CCD, unfortunately for you the laws of the land are for everyone, you included.

Your argument can be used by any wannabe criminal and murderer, it won't do.
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[Lucky Luke]

CCD wrote:

Lucky Luke wrote: If you don't care, why debating CCD?
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I care because of the paternalistic attitude of posters who think that my rights to own a gun ought to be restricted because of some other damned fools who can't control themselves.


All gun control arguments general boil down to the ultimate soverignty issue. Are the people soverign, or is the government? I side with the people.

What about you?

This is the idea of living together CCD, laws are made for all to follow. When too many of us are in the wrong, restrictions are put for all to remove the temptation of doing wrong.

In western democratic modern countries like ours the people are sovereign through the government they freely choose. This is how it works CCD, you are not meant to make your own laws, the law makers you have appointed are.

I side with the law abiding citizens who democratically elect their representatives, not the people who want to choose what laws to respect. Those are criminals or wannabe criminals with no respect for others.

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[leftneckredwing]

Lucky Luke wrote: CCD wrote: ...................

Lucky Luke wrote: Gun control laws are written for all CCD not only for you and your gun, this is the same for all laws you know.
Which is my point entirely. Since my gun has not been used to commit a crime, and its owner has no intention of committing a crime with it, I ought not be restricted in its use for its intended, lawful purpose: protecting myself against violent attack.

My gun is already controlled: by me.

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That could be said by anyone regarding all laws CCD, unfortunately for you the laws of the land are for everyone, you included.

Your argument can be used by any wannabe criminal and murderer, it won't do.
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You are not the sole arbiter of all things gun. No one is specifically interested if you think it will do or not. Least of all criminals.

As far as we're concerned, your goals won't do. In fact not only will they not do, they won't happen. That is the epitome of not doing.

[ChuckBerry]

So, because some wannabe criminal or murderer wants to use their gun to plot and commit a crime, my right to own a gun must be restricted, even though I have no such designs?

[Lucky Luke]

leftneckredwing wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: CCD wrote: ...................

Lucky Luke wrote: Gun control laws are written for all CCD not only for you and your gun, this is the same for all laws you know.
Which is my point entirely. Since my gun has not been used to commit a crime, and its owner has no intention of committing a crime with it, I ought not be restricted in its use for its intended, lawful purpose: protecting myself against violent attack.

My gun is already controlled: by me.

............

That could be said by anyone regarding all laws CCD, unfortunately for you the laws of the land are for everyone, you included.

Your argument can be used by any wannabe criminal and murderer, it won't do.
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You are not the sole arbiter of all things gun. No one is specifically interested if you think it will do or not. Least of all criminals.

As far as we're concerned, your goals won't do. In fact not only will they not do, they won't happen. That is the epitome of not doing.

They do happen, American gun control laws are many, just not tough enough.

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[Lucky Luke]

CCD wrote: So, because some wannabe criminal or murderer wants to use their gun to plot and commit a crime, my right to own a gun must be restricted, even though I have no such designs?

The same way than your right to carry a gun is restricted CCD.

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[ChuckBerry]

You're not answering my question.

[leftneckredwing]

Lucky Luke wrote: leftneckredwing wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: CCD wrote: ...................

Lucky Luke wrote: Gun control laws are written for all CCD not only for you and your gun, this is the same for all laws you know.
Which is my point entirely. Since my gun has not been used to commit a crime, and its owner has no intention of committing a crime with it, I ought not be restricted in its use for its intended, lawful purpose: protecting myself against violent attack.

My gun is already controlled: by me.

............

That could be said by anyone regarding all laws CCD, unfortunately for you the laws of the land are for everyone, you included.

Your argument can be used by any wannabe criminal and murderer, it won't do.
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You are not the sole arbiter of all things gun. No one is specifically interested if you think it will do or not. Least of all criminals.

As far as we're concerned, your goals won't do. In fact not only will they not do, they won't happen. That is the epitome of not doing.

They do happen, American gun control laws are many, just not tough enough.

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In America, we have strong resentment to British authoritarianism. All authoritarianism, in fact. Even our own gov's authoritarianism. In spite of the instances of our own gov projecting authority in other areas, they do clearly see it when it treads on their own lives.

This is not to minimise that much of our individualism is also derived from British sources. We are cousins of sorts.

For you to decide that 'you know best', is rejected on principle. A concept you don't seem to recognise.

The harder you push, the more you will be resisted. It's in our nature. Our own gov is also authoritarian, but many are convinced, that in some instances, it is the right form of authoritarian. But in the issue of individual Freedom, you can see us unite right here on this forum. People of every political stripe that reject the fallacious notion of public safety outweighing individual safety clearly understand that public safety is the sum of individual safety, that there are no group rights. There are only individual rights.

You cannot win this argument by showing stats and what the majority is perceived to desire. We are first and last individuals. Any group affiliation, is by our nature, derived from our individualism. We cannot and will not accept the anthill mentality of collectivism. You can see it with crystallised clarity in this forum, more than all the others.

In here, we unite and pretty much do speak with one voice. We will bash each other in P&G, society and lots of the other forums. But when Americans have a clear cut case of individual freedoms being curtailed, you see what you see here.

What you regard as what will do, will be met with the consistent oppostion you have witnessed.

Where your issue will fail is when people recognise or simply 'feel' they are being compromised for the alleged common good. As the double standard becomes most apparent in the anti gun issue. Alcohol, cars many other things are far more devastating, yet are not issues for your cause. And that is where it falls apart. Your case has no consistency or principle. It only has a complaint on one specific issue. It is not truly a vanguard of public safety, it is an attack on us, one at a time, perpetrated in a guise of good will. But it is unmasked, stands naked and pathetic, for all to see.

[Lucky Luke]

CCD wrote: You're not answering my question.

The answer is yes, the same way than your right to carry a gun is restricted CCD.

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[Lucky Luke]

leftneckredwing wrote:

In America, we have strong resentment to British authoritarianism. All authoritarianism, in fact. Even our own gov's authoritarianism. In spite of the instances of our own gov projecting authority in other areas, they do clearly see it when it treads on their own lives.

This is not to minimise that much of our individualism is also derived from British sources. We are cousins of sorts.

For you to decide that 'you know best', is rejected on principle. A concept you don't seem to recognise.

The harder you push, the more you will be resisted. It's in our nature. Our own gov is also authoritarian, but many are convinced, that in some instances, it is the right form of authoritarian. But in the issue of individual Freedom, you can see us unite right here on this forum. People of every political stripe that reject the fallacious notion of public safety outweighing individual safety clearly understand that public safety is the sum of individual safety, that there are no group rights. There are only individual rights.

You cannot win this argument by showing stats and what the majority is perceived to desire. We are first and last individuals. Any group affiliation, is by our nature, derived from our individualism. We cannot and will not accept the anthill mentality of collectivism. You can see it with crystallised clarity in this forum, more than all the others.

In here, we unite and pretty much do speak with one voice. We will bash each other in P&G, society and lots of the other forums. But when Americans have a clear cut case of individual freedoms being curtailed, you see what you see here.

What you regard as what will do, will be met with the consistent oppostion you have witnessed.

Where your issue will fail is when people recognise or simply 'feel' they are being compromised for the alleged common good. As the double standard becomes most apparent in the anti gun issue. Alcohol, cars many other things are far more devastating, yet are not issues for your cause. And that is where it falls apart. Your case has no consistency or principle. It only has a complaint on one specific issue. It is not truly a vanguard of public safety, it is an attack on us, one at a time, perpetrated in a guise of good will. But it is unmasked, stands naked and pathetic, for all to see.

No authoritarianism from me just a mere observation that it is already happening in America, gun control laws are many and there to stay.

The only things I am pushing in this forum is the truth of American gun control today and what American gun culture is about in America and around the world.

The facts are what people have to consider before making a judgement about gun control, not their emotions.

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[leftneckredwing]

Lucky Luke wrote: leftneckredwing wrote:

In America, we have strong resentment to British authoritarianism. All authoritarianism, in fact. Even our own gov's authoritarianism. In spite of the instances of our own gov projecting authority in other areas, they do clearly see it when it treads on their own lives.

This is not to minimise that much of our individualism is also derived from British sources. We are cousins of sorts.

For you to decide that 'you know best', is rejected on principle. A concept you don't seem to recognise.

The harder you push, the more you will be resisted. It's in our nature. Our own gov is also authoritarian, but many are convinced, that in some instances, it is the right form of authoritarian. But in the issue of individual Freedom, you can see us unite right here on this forum. People of every political stripe that reject the fallacious notion of public safety outweighing individual safety clearly understand that public safety is the sum of individual safety, that there are no group rights. There are only individual rights.

You cannot win this argument by showing stats and what the majority is perceived to desire. We are first and last individuals. Any group affiliation, is by our nature, derived from our individualism. We cannot and will not accept the anthill mentality of collectivism. You can see it with crystallised clarity in this forum, more than all the others.

In here, we unite and pretty much do speak with one voice. We will bash each other in P&G, society and lots of the other forums. But when Americans have a clear cut case of individual freedoms being curtailed, you see what you see here.

What you regard as what will do, will be met with the consistent oppostion you have witnessed.

Where your issue will fail is when people recognise or simply 'feel' they are being compromised for the alleged common good. As the double standard becomes most apparent in the anti gun issue. Alcohol, cars many other things are far more devastating, yet are not issues for your cause. And that is where it falls apart. Your case has no consistency or principle. It only has a complaint on one specific issue. It is not truly a vanguard of public safety, it is an attack on us, one at a time, perpetrated in a guise of good will. But it is unmasked, stands naked and pathetic, for all to see.

No authoritarianism from me just a mere observation that it is already happening in America, gun control laws are many and there to stay.

The only things I am pushing in this forum is the truth of American gun control today and what American gun culture is about in America and around the world.

The facts are what people have to consider before making a judgement about gun control, not their emotions.

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Lucky, you are quite distinctly an authoritiarian. You also oppose the private, individual use of drugs. You call it the truth, yet have no first hand contact with any of the people here. Your opinion is based on statistics and what you call facts. When all the while, other facts are presented that dispel and refute your facts. Which demonstrates, that stats can bite you in the ass. Stats do not clarify what is right and what is wrong. If only one side is allowed to present facts, which is what you do when you roundly reject any fact in opposition to your selected facts, you will have achieved nothing but the authority of facts and stats. Yet that is based on your prejudice and your emotion with your only ammunition being a line on a graph and gleefully point to it and say "There! see I told you guns kill!" Ignoring that it is people that kill with guns....and knives, and baseball bats, and even forks, cars, bare hands, poison every nature of instrument is used to kill. Yet your only focus is guns. It's called tunnel vision.

In no way, did you deal with anything I said. You simply rejected it and denied it. Whcih is how you conduct your entire argument.

You have never engaged in an argument of principles, only an argument of numbers. There is a reason for that which has been exposed consistently and without opposition. You merely rely on your graphs and proclaim you are right because of lines on a graph. That might work for economics, but it carries no weight in a principled philosophical argument. Rights are based on principles, not selectively chosen stats and graphs.

[lilwolf]

Lucky Luke wrote: CCD wrote: You're not answering my question.

The answer is yes, the same way than your right to carry a gun is restricted CCD.

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The restrictions are good in that bad guys do not have easy access to guns. That in itself is a good restriction, but not for law abiding people LL. We are now ar 44 states and the voters have spoken and soon to add california and New York.
Check some of your contradicting and innacurate govt. sources and you might if you don't spin the numbers that crime is going down and one reason is that bad guys are not having easy targets like in DC and New York and several other places. People that are carrying guns at an even greater number are opting for self protection and that is a wonderful thing. Knowing that a person might be a CCW person and that they have the RTC is just hurting the criminals and it is not hurting the most important people and that is the law abiding VOTER.

[Lucky Luke]

leftneckredwing wrote:

Lucky, you are quite distinctly an authoritiarian. You also oppose the private, individual use of drugs. You call it the truth, yet have no first hand contact with any of the people here. Your opinion is based on statistics and what you call facts. When all the while, other facts are presented that dispel and refute your facts. Which demonstrates, that stats can bite you in the ass. Stats do not clarify what is right and what is wrong. If only one side is allowed to present facts, which is what you do when you roundly reject any fact in opposition to your selected facts, you will have achieved nothing but the authority of facts and stats. Yet that is based on your prejudice and your emotion with your only ammunition being a line on a graph and gleefully point to it and say "There! see I told you guns kill!" Ignoring that it is people that kill with guns....and knives, and baseball bats, and even forks, cars, bare hands, poison every nature of instrument is used to kill. Yet your only focus is guns. It's called tunnel vision.

In no way, did you deal with anything I said. You simply rejected it and denied it. Whcih is how you conduct your entire argument.

You have never engaged in an argument of principles, only an argument of numbers. There is a reason for that which has been exposed consistently and without opposition. You merely rely on your graphs and proclaim you are right because of lines on a graph. That might work for economics, but it carries no weight in a principled philosophical argument. Rights are based on principles, not selectively chosen stats and graphs.

I oppose the private, individual use of illegal drugs, I believe in the rule of law.

I have as much first hand experience of gun control as you have Leftneckredwing.

You are free to present all the facts you wish to in this forum Lefneckredwing but I can't help notice that you rarely do.

I deal with everything you had to say so far in the subject of gun control, show us your facts and I'll deal with them too.

Not only I don't ignore the fact that it is people that kill with guns but do remind you of this fact in every post I write.

I rely on facts and not on books telling me how to think Leftneckredwing, you should try this approach Lefneckredwing and discover what you really think about gun control and not what you have been told.

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[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: CCD wrote: You're not answering my question.

The answer is yes, the same way than your right to carry a gun is restricted CCD.

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The restrictions are good in that bad guys do not have easy access to guns. That in itself is a good restriction, but not for law abiding people LL. We are now ar 44 states and the voters have spoken and soon to add california and New York.
Check some of your contradicting and innacurate govt. sources and you might if you don't spin the numbers that crime is going down and one reason is that bad guys are not having easy targets like in DC and New York and several other places. People that are carrying guns at an even greater number are opting for self protection and that is a wonderful thing. Knowing that a person might be a CCW person and that they have the RTC is just hurting the criminals and it is not hurting the most important people and that is the law abiding VOTER.

There are too few CCW permit holders for you to make such a ridiculous statement and let me remind you that CCW laws are gun control laws.

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[lilwolf]

Lucky Luke wrote: leftneckredwing wrote:

Lucky, you are quite distinctly an authoritiarian. You also oppose the private, individual use of drugs. You call it the truth, yet have no first hand contact with any of the people here. Your opinion is based on statistics and what you call facts. When all the while, other facts are presented that dispel and refute your facts. Which demonstrates, that stats can bite you in the ass. Stats do not clarify what is right and what is wrong. If only one side is allowed to present facts, which is what you do when you roundly reject any fact in opposition to your selected facts, you will have achieved nothing but the authority of facts and stats. Yet that is based on your prejudice and your emotion with your only ammunition being a line on a graph and gleefully point to it and say "There! see I told you guns kill!" Ignoring that it is people that kill with guns....and knives, and baseball bats, and even forks, cars, bare hands, poison every nature of instrument is used to kill. Yet your only focus is guns. It's called tunnel vision.

In no way, did you deal with anything I said. You simply rejected it and denied it. Whcih is how you conduct your entire argument.

You have never engaged in an argument of principles, only an argument of numbers. There is a reason for that which has been exposed consistently and without opposition. You merely rely on your graphs and proclaim you are right because of lines on a graph. That might work for economics, but it carries no weight in a principled philosophical argument. Rights are based on principles, not selectively chosen stats and graphs.

I oppose the private, individual use of illegal drugs, I believe in the rule of law.

I have as much first hand experience of gun control as you have Leftneckredwing.

You are free to present all the facts you wish to in this forum Lefneckredwing but I can't help notice that you rarely do.

I deal with everything you had to say so far in the subject of gun control, show us your facts and I'll deal with them too.

Not only I don't ignore the fact that it is people that kill with guns but do remind you of this fact in every post I write.

I rely on facts and not on books telling me how to think Leftneckredwing, you should try this approach Lefneckredwing and discover what you really think about gun control and not what you have been told.

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That's your problem LL. You rely on facts and have no common sense and lack something esle that we have.....freedom.
You have your desire to be babysat by the govt. because there is no reason why your govt should allow you to be free and have a gun to defend yourselves. They have the hobby bobbies to assist the unarmed cops and you guys are being attacked all day long and you seem to like it a great deal. 44 states and counting LL, and also I forgt to mention the DC area. Thank God they will also have the TRC and have CCW.

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote:
That's your problem LL. You rely on facts and have no common sense and lack something esle that we have.....freedom.
You have your desire to be babysat by the govt. because there is no reason why your govt should allow you to be free and have a gun to defend yourselves. They have the hobby bobbies to assist the unarmed cops and you guys are being attacked all day long and you seem to like it a great deal. 44 states and counting LL, and also I forgt to mention the DC area. Thank God they will also have the TRC and have CCW.

We have as much freedom as you have here, in fact you have more freedom when you come here than when I come to America.

Guns are useless in defending the private citizen, that we know, we just need to compare murder rates.

Gun control laws are spreading in America, this is indeed good.
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[lilwolf]

Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote:
That's your problem LL. You rely on facts and have no common sense and lack something esle that we have.....freedom.
You have your desire to be babysat by the govt. because there is no reason why your govt should allow you to be free and have a gun to defend yourselves. They have the hobby bobbies to assist the unarmed cops and you guys are being attacked all day long and you seem to like it a great deal. 44 states and counting LL, and also I forgt to mention the DC area. Thank God they will also have the TRC and have CCW.

We have as much freedom as you have here, in fact you have more freedom when you come here than when I come to America.

Guns are useless in defending the private citizen, that we know, we just need to compare murder rates.

Gun control laws are spreading in America, this is indeed good.
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The CCW laws are good laws yes, in that it gives the law abiding person the right to own and carry and to have a legal means to protect oneself.
When you say that guns are useless in defending the private citizen.
That appears to be something in your mind and not in the millions of people that own guns for self protection. There are millions of people LL, that would laugh in your face on that statement.
Gun control laws are spreading and they are good laws which need to have people leave them alone. The RTC and CCW is a wonderful thing LL and you are only afraid to admit it.

[leftneckredwing]

Lucky Luke wrote: leftneckredwing wrote:

Lucky, you are quite distinctly an authoritiarian. You also oppose the private, individual use of drugs. You call it the truth, yet have no first hand contact with any of the people here. Your opinion is based on statistics and what you call facts. When all the while, other facts are presented that dispel and refute your facts. Which demonstrates, that stats can bite you in the ass. Stats do not clarify what is right and what is wrong. If only one side is allowed to present facts, which is what you do when you roundly reject any fact in opposition to your selected facts, you will have achieved nothing but the authority of facts and stats. Yet that is based on your prejudice and your emotion with your only ammunition being a line on a graph and gleefully point to it and say "There! see I told you guns kill!" Ignoring that it is people that kill with guns....and knives, and baseball bats, and even forks, cars, bare hands, poison every nature of instrument is used to kill. Yet your only focus is guns. It's called tunnel vision.

In no way, did you deal with anything I said. You simply rejected it and denied it. Whcih is how you conduct your entire argument.

You have never engaged in an argument of principles, only an argument of numbers. There is a reason for that which has been exposed consistently and without opposition. You merely rely on your graphs and proclaim you are right because of lines on a graph. That might work for economics, but it carries no weight in a principled philosophical argument. Rights are based on principles, not selectively chosen stats and graphs.

I oppose the private, individual use of illegal drugs, I believe in the rule of law.

I have as much first hand experience of gun control as you have Leftneckredwing.

You are free to present all the facts you wish to in this forum Lefneckredwing but I can't help notice that you rarely do.

I deal with everything you had to say so far in the subject of gun control, show us your facts and I'll deal with them too.

Not only I don't ignore the fact that it is people that kill with guns but do remind you of this fact in every post I write.

I rely on facts and not on books telling me how to think Leftneckredwing, you should try this approach Lefneckredwing and discover what you really think about gun control and not what you have been told.

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A point by point denial but certainly not a principle in the lot. Your facts must come from a book of some kind. It's just that your books tell you what you want to hear and don't demand much mental effort on your own.

You are relying much more on what you have been told and even more on what part of it you wish to hear.

Gun contol is not a subject that interests me, it interests you. I don't care. It is being controlled that I take interest in. And it is what you wish to impose.

You still have not grasped what a principle is. You have never raised a principle. And you refuse to deal with them. You merely point out in bullet form where you stand and not why. The only why in your case is because of a graph or a stat.

Your arguments are hollow without principle. They are just lines on a graph and numbers written by someone somewhere.

Best of luck to you Mr. Lucky. May you build your life and happiness on the basis of how many people drink how much on which day of the week. And may you eternally enjoy your 2.3 holidays per month in your 45% satisfied society with your 1.7 children.

[lilwolf]

leftneckredwing wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: leftneckredwing wrote:

Lucky, you are quite distinctly an authoritiarian. You also oppose the private, individual use of drugs. You call it the truth, yet have no first hand contact with any of the people here. Your opinion is based on statistics and what you call facts. When all the while, other facts are presented that dispel and refute your facts. Which demonstrates, that stats can bite you in the ass. Stats do not clarify what is right and what is wrong. If only one side is allowed to present facts, which is what you do when you roundly reject any fact in opposition to your selected facts, you will have achieved nothing but the authority of facts and stats. Yet that is based on your prejudice and your emotion with your only ammunition being a line on a graph and gleefully point to it and say "There! see I told you guns kill!" Ignoring that it is people that kill with guns....and knives, and baseball bats, and even forks, cars, bare hands, poison every nature of instrument is used to kill. Yet your only focus is guns. It's called tunnel vision.

In no way, did you deal with anything I said. You simply rejected it and denied it. Whcih is how you conduct your entire argument.

You have never engaged in an argument of principles, only an argument of numbers. There is a reason for that which has been exposed consistently and without opposition. You merely rely on your graphs and proclaim you are right because of lines on a graph. That might work for economics, but it carries no weight in a principled philosophical argument. Rights are based on principles, not selectively chosen stats and graphs.

I oppose the private, individual use of illegal drugs, I believe in the rule of law.

I have as much first hand experience of gun control as you have Leftneckredwing.

You are free to present all the facts you wish to in this forum Lefneckredwing but I can't help notice that you rarely do.

I deal with everything you had to say so far in the subject of gun control, show us your facts and I'll deal with them too.

Not only I don't ignore the fact that it is people that kill with guns but do remind you of this fact in every post I write.

I rely on facts and not on books telling me how to think Leftneckredwing, you should try this approach Lefneckredwing and discover what you really think about gun control and not what you have been told.

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A point by point denial but certainly not a principle in the lot. Your facts must come from a book of some kind. It's just that your books tell you what you want to hear and don't demand much mental effort on your own.

You are relying much more on what you have been told and even more on what part of it you wish to hear.

Gun contol is not a subject that interests me, it interests you. I don't care. It is being controlled that I take interest in. And it is what you wish to impose.

You still have not grasped what a principle is. You have never raised a principle. And you refuse to deal with them. You merely point out in bullet form where you stand and not why. The only why in your case is because of a graph or a stat.

Your arguments are hollow without principle. They are just lines on a graph and numbers written by someone somewhere.

Best of luck to you Mr. Lucky. May you build your life and happiness on the basis of how many people drink how much on which day of the week. And may you eternally enjoy your 2.3 holidays per month in your 45% satisfied society with your 1.7 children.


:rotf: I am done as well LL. Enjoy yourself. :lol:

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote:


The CCW laws are good laws yes, in that it gives the law abiding person the right to own and carry and to have a legal means to protect oneself.
When you say that guns are useless in defending the private citizen.
That appears to be something in your mind and not in the millions of people that own guns for self protection. There are millions of people LL, that would laugh in your face on that statement.
Gun control laws are spreading and they are good laws which need to have people leave them alone. The RTC and CCW is a wonderful thing LL and you are only afraid to admit it.

The CCW laws are restrictive gun control laws giving the privilege to some gun lovers to carry weapons for a fee and for a limited period only.

The fact that Americans are not using guns to defend themselves except for a few exceptions is a well known reported fact Lilwolf.

Gun control laws are spreading indeed Lilwolf, let's rejoice to this facts, get used to ask for the privilege to carry your guns, already you have to go through hoops to purchase one from a legal gun dealer, soon you'll have to do the same to keep guns legally.

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