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[Thrilla]

Lucky Luke wrote: Thrilla wrote:

YAY for misrepresentation using graphic images!!!!.. hip hip horray!

:roll: :roll:

to clarify for everyone.... the picture LL used with the American officers patrolling New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina.. after the quasi martial law was called.... this in no way represents the normal of even half-assed common patrol methods of any US police force.

that is all...
thank you for your time

Our police respond to natural disasters unarmed Thrilla.

Your SWAT teams are patrolling your street as we speak.

:-D
:-D no they arent.. SWAT teams are a reactive force.. they do not patrol.

how do your officers respond to civil unrest?..... do they bring flowers or riot gear?

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote:

LL, your chart is from the ISP but it is not the right one. That chart you used is "crimes against persons". My chart is ISP totals for 2005 for the state of Idaho.
You did not read it or you would have known that. So, please do not make yourself look any worse by saying you read everything I post, because clearly you did not.
The 2005 totals are 14.7% lower than 2004 and had only 3 arrests reported for murder and 0 cleared. If you are going to do Idaho LL, make damn sure you take into consideration that crimes cleared are in the final total of the numbers and not all crimes as reported.
Now read the chart and you decide where you made the mistake.

I did not make any mistake, I just copied and pasted what was on page 25 titled "Murder, Definition - The willful killing of one human being by another" of the document "The 2005 Crime in Idaho, issued by the Idaho State Police, Bureau of Criminal Identification, Uniform Crime".

Your link is the page 228 of the same document Lilwolf.

I read everything you post here Lilwolf, certainly not everything you link.
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[Lucky Luke]

Thrilla wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: Thrilla wrote:

YAY for misrepresentation using graphic images!!!!.. hip hip horray!

:roll: :roll:

to clarify for everyone.... the picture LL used with the American officers patrolling New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina.. after the quasi martial law was called.... this in no way represents the normal of even half-assed common patrol methods of any US police force.

that is all...
thank you for your time

Our police respond to natural disasters unarmed Thrilla.

Your SWAT teams are patrolling your street as we speak.

:-D
:-D no they arent.. SWAT teams are a reactive force.. they do not patrol.

how do your officers respond to civil unrest?..... do they bring flowers or riot gear?

I picked this one at random Thrilla:

Quote: Starting Friday, SWAT teams from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office will be patrolling shopping malls in the Phoenix metropolitan area.


The Sheriff's Office is beefing up its holiday patrol, adding 30 SWAT members to the deputies and volunteer posse members already out around the holiday season.

The SWAT team will patrol 11 malls including Scottsdale Fashion Square, Chandler Fashion Center and Arizona Mills.

"I send them out on certain specialty operations that I feel are necessary," Sheriff Joe Arpaio said. "I feel the protection of the people at the malls is necessary."

The SWAT team will still be available to mobilize for other situations requiring them and their response time will not be any longer, Arpaio said.

The team has been on patrol for months and will add the shopping malls into its normal routes.
http://www.kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=4162205&nav=menu216_10

You are obviously in denial.

:-D
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[lilwolf]

Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote:

LL, your chart is from the ISP but it is not the right one. That chart you used is "crimes against persons". My chart is ISP totals for 2005 for the state of Idaho.
You did not read it or you would have known that. So, please do not make yourself look any worse by saying you read everything I post, because clearly you did not.
The 2005 totals are 14.7% lower than 2004 and had only 3 arrests reported for murder and 0 cleared. If you are going to do Idaho LL, make damn sure you take into consideration that crimes cleared are in the final total of the numbers and not all crimes as reported.
Now read the chart and you decide where you made the mistake.

I did not make any mistake, I just copied and pasted what was on page 25 titled "Murder, Definition - The willful killing of one human being by another" of the document "The 2005 Crime in Idaho, issued by the Idaho State Police, Bureau of Criminal Identification, Uniform Crime".

Your link is the page 228 of the same document Lilwolf.

I read everything you post here Lilwolf, certainly not everything you link.
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:-D


I do not get it LL. You are using a 5 years trend chart. My chart clearly shows a completely different set of numbers that you only because you are using a 5 year period.

Now if you look at my chart closely you will see that in 2005 the followng numbers are reflected as totals for the state. Not f***** spin LL. Look at the numbers. They are not as high as you portray. Your chart says 41 cases and the actual state cases after clearing were as follows:

3 reported murders in the state of Idaho and 0 cleared
This represents a 14.7% drop from 2004.

And arrests statewide were down 30.8%.

See the big difference in numbers you are using versus the states totals for 2005. You are in error LL, and you are so blind that you do not see it and see only what you want.

[lilwolf]

Lucky Luke wrote: Thrilla wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: Thrilla wrote:

YAY for misrepresentation using graphic images!!!!.. hip hip horray!

:roll: :roll:

to clarify for everyone.... the picture LL used with the American officers patrolling New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina.. after the quasi martial law was called.... this in no way represents the normal of even half-assed common patrol methods of any US police force.

that is all...
thank you for your time

Our police respond to natural disasters unarmed Thrilla.

Your SWAT teams are patrolling your street as we speak.

:-D
:-D no they arent.. SWAT teams are a reactive force.. they do not patrol.

how do your officers respond to civil unrest?..... do they bring flowers or riot gear?

I picked this one at random Thrilla:

Quote: Starting Friday, SWAT teams from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office will be patrolling shopping malls in the Phoenix metropolitan area.


The Sheriff's Office is beefing up its holiday patrol, adding 30 SWAT members to the deputies and volunteer posse members already out around the holiday season.

The SWAT team will patrol 11 malls including Scottsdale Fashion Square, Chandler Fashion Center and Arizona Mills.

"I send them out on certain specialty operations that I feel are necessary," Sheriff Joe Arpaio said. "I feel the protection of the people at the malls is necessary."

The SWAT team will still be available to mobilize for other situations requiring them and their response time will not be any longer, Arpaio said.

The team has been on patrol for months and will add the shopping malls into its normal routes.
http://www.kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=4162205&nav=menu216_10

You are obviously in denial.

:-D
:-D


No he's not in denial LL. the SWAT temas you are referring to do this every year because of the gangs in that area. So don't play spin on that one cause you will lose.
SWAT does not routinely patrol and you damn well know it. They are routine patrol officers and they are 99.99% of the time reactive.

What are you dumb or something. You know the difference between regular and SWAT, so don't pull that crap it fails. Thrilla is not a dumb guy and you better watch it. You are slowly getting your ass handed to you and you are in denial that it will not happen.

What are you thinking LL.

[Thrilla]

Lucky Luke wrote: Thrilla wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: Thrilla wrote:

YAY for misrepresentation using graphic images!!!!.. hip hip horray!

:roll: :roll:

to clarify for everyone.... the picture LL used with the American officers patrolling New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina.. after the quasi martial law was called.... this in no way represents the normal of even half-assed common patrol methods of any US police force.

that is all...
thank you for your time

Our police respond to natural disasters unarmed Thrilla.

Your SWAT teams are patrolling your street as we speak.

:-D
:-D no they arent.. SWAT teams are a reactive force.. they do not patrol.

how do your officers respond to civil unrest?..... do they bring flowers or riot gear?

I picked this one at random Thrilla:

Quote: Starting Friday, SWAT teams from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office will be patrolling shopping malls in the Phoenix metropolitan area.


The Sheriff's Office is beefing up its holiday patrol, adding 30 SWAT members to the deputies and volunteer posse members already out around the holiday season.

The SWAT team will patrol 11 malls including Scottsdale Fashion Square, Chandler Fashion Center and Arizona Mills.

"I send them out on certain specialty operations that I feel are necessary," Sheriff Joe Arpaio said. "I feel the protection of the people at the malls is necessary."

The SWAT team will still be available to mobilize for other situations requiring them and their response time will not be any longer, Arpaio said.

The team has been on patrol for months and will add the shopping malls into its normal routes.
http://www.kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=4162205&nav=menu216_10

You are obviously in denial.

:-D
:-D oh no!.. beefing up security in malls during holiday season... dear god the tyranny :lol:

you do know that members of SWAT are normal beat cops until a SWAT call comes in right?..... even in LA ..where SWAT was originated.. SWAT members are not geared up for battle all the time.. only when the need arises... hence.. they are reactionary.

why dont you tell us all about CO19 luke?

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote:

LL, your chart is from the ISP but it is not the right one. That chart you used is "crimes against persons". My chart is ISP totals for 2005 for the state of Idaho.
You did not read it or you would have known that. So, please do not make yourself look any worse by saying you read everything I post, because clearly you did not.
The 2005 totals are 14.7% lower than 2004 and had only 3 arrests reported for murder and 0 cleared. If you are going to do Idaho LL, make damn sure you take into consideration that crimes cleared are in the final total of the numbers and not all crimes as reported.
Now read the chart and you decide where you made the mistake.

I did not make any mistake, I just copied and pasted what was on page 25 titled "Murder, Definition - The willful killing of one human being by another" of the document "The 2005 Crime in Idaho, issued by the Idaho State Police, Bureau of Criminal Identification, Uniform Crime".

Your link is the page 228 of the same document Lilwolf.

I read everything you post here Lilwolf, certainly not everything you link.
:-D
:-D


I do not get it LL. You are using a 5 years trend chart. My chart clearly shows a completely different set of numbers that you only because you are using a 5 year period.

Now if you look at my chart closely you will see that in 2005 the followng numbers are reflected as totals for the state. Not f***** spin LL. Look at the numbers. They are not as high as you portray. Your chart says 41 cases and the actual state cases after clearing were as follows:

3 reported murders in the state of Idaho and 0 cleared
This represents a 14.7% drop from 2004.

And arrests statewide were down 30.8%.

See the big difference in numbers you are using versus the states totals for 2005. You are in error LL, and you are so blind that you do not see it and see only what you want.

If you want anyone to look at numbers copy them and paste them here exactly as you saw them, just like I do.

You can't be trusted, you are making too many typo mistakes for my liking or for me to believe what you write.

:-D
:-D

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: Thrilla wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: Thrilla wrote:

YAY for misrepresentation using graphic images!!!!.. hip hip horray!

:roll: :roll:

to clarify for everyone.... the picture LL used with the American officers patrolling New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina.. after the quasi martial law was called.... this in no way represents the normal of even half-assed common patrol methods of any US police force.

that is all...
thank you for your time

Our police respond to natural disasters unarmed Thrilla.

Your SWAT teams are patrolling your street as we speak.

:-D
:-D no they arent.. SWAT teams are a reactive force.. they do not patrol.

how do your officers respond to civil unrest?..... do they bring flowers or riot gear?

I picked this one at random Thrilla:

Quote: Starting Friday, SWAT teams from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office will be patrolling shopping malls in the Phoenix metropolitan area.


The Sheriff's Office is beefing up its holiday patrol, adding 30 SWAT members to the deputies and volunteer posse members already out around the holiday season.

The SWAT team will patrol 11 malls including Scottsdale Fashion Square, Chandler Fashion Center and Arizona Mills.

"I send them out on certain specialty operations that I feel are necessary," Sheriff Joe Arpaio said. "I feel the protection of the people at the malls is necessary."

The SWAT team will still be available to mobilize for other situations requiring them and their response time will not be any longer, Arpaio said.

The team has been on patrol for months and will add the shopping malls into its normal routes.
http://www.kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=4162205&nav=menu216_10

You are obviously in denial.

:-D
:-D


No he's not in denial LL. the SWAT temas you are referring to do this every year because of the gangs in that area. So don't play spin on that one cause you will lose.
SWAT does not routinely patrol and you damn well know it. They are routine patrol officers and they are 99.99% of the time reactive.

What are you dumb or something. You know the difference between regular and SWAT, so don't pull that crap it fails. Thrilla is not a dumb guy and you better watch it. You are slowly getting your ass handed to you and you are in denial that it will not happen.

What are you thinking LL.


Look Liwolf, read the sentence, follow the link and learn how to debate honestly:

Quote: The team has been on patrol for months and will add the shopping malls into its normal routes.

:-D
:-D

[Lucky Luke]

Thrilla wrote:

oh no!.. beefing up security in malls during holiday season... dear god the tyranny :lol:

you do know that members of SWAT are normal beat cops until a SWAT call comes in right?..... even in LA ..where SWAT was originated.. SWAT members are not geared up for battle all the time.. only when the need arises... hence.. they are reactionary.

why dont you tell us all about CO19 luke?

This is what you wrote Thrilla:

Quote: this in no way represents the normal of even half-assed common patrol methods of any US police force

This is what the first article that I found says:

Quote: The team has been on patrol for months and will add the shopping malls into its normal routes.

:-D
:-D

[lilwolf]

Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote:

LL, your chart is from the ISP but it is not the right one. That chart you used is "crimes against persons". My chart is ISP totals for 2005 for the state of Idaho.
You did not read it or you would have known that. So, please do not make yourself look any worse by saying you read everything I post, because clearly you did not.
The 2005 totals are 14.7% lower than 2004 and had only 3 arrests reported for murder and 0 cleared. If you are going to do Idaho LL, make damn sure you take into consideration that crimes cleared are in the final total of the numbers and not all crimes as reported.
Now read the chart and you decide where you made the mistake.

I did not make any mistake, I just copied and pasted what was on page 25 titled "Murder, Definition - The willful killing of one human being by another" of the document "The 2005 Crime in Idaho, issued by the Idaho State Police, Bureau of Criminal Identification, Uniform Crime".

Your link is the page 228 of the same document Lilwolf.

I read everything you post here Lilwolf, certainly not everything you link.
:-D
:-D


I do not get it LL. You are using a 5 years trend chart. My chart clearly shows a completely different set of numbers that you only because you are using a 5 year period.

Now if you look at my chart closely you will see that in 2005 the followng numbers are reflected as totals for the state. Not f***** spin LL. Look at the numbers. They are not as high as you portray. Your chart says 41 cases and the actual state cases after clearing were as follows:

3 reported murders in the state of Idaho and 0 cleared
This represents a 14.7% drop from 2004.

And arrests statewide were down 30.8%.

See the big difference in numbers you are using versus the states totals for 2005. You are in error LL, and you are so blind that you do not see it and see only what you want.

If you want anyone to look at numbers copy them and paste them here exactly as you saw them, just like I do.

You can't be trusted, you are making too many typo mistakes for my liking or for me to believe what you write.

:-D
:-D


So, are you calling me a liar again LL....Yes or NO no debate here .....Yes or No

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote:

LL, your chart is from the ISP but it is not the right one. That chart you used is "crimes against persons". My chart is ISP totals for 2005 for the state of Idaho.
You did not read it or you would have known that. So, please do not make yourself look any worse by saying you read everything I post, because clearly you did not.
The 2005 totals are 14.7% lower than 2004 and had only 3 arrests reported for murder and 0 cleared. If you are going to do Idaho LL, make damn sure you take into consideration that crimes cleared are in the final total of the numbers and not all crimes as reported.
Now read the chart and you decide where you made the mistake.

I did not make any mistake, I just copied and pasted what was on page 25 titled "Murder, Definition - The willful killing of one human being by another" of the document "The 2005 Crime in Idaho, issued by the Idaho State Police, Bureau of Criminal Identification, Uniform Crime".

Your link is the page 228 of the same document Lilwolf.

I read everything you post here Lilwolf, certainly not everything you link.
:-D
:-D


I do not get it LL. You are using a 5 years trend chart. My chart clearly shows a completely different set of numbers that you only because you are using a 5 year period.

Now if you look at my chart closely you will see that in 2005 the followng numbers are reflected as totals for the state. Not f***** spin LL. Look at the numbers. They are not as high as you portray. Your chart says 41 cases and the actual state cases after clearing were as follows:

3 reported murders in the state of Idaho and 0 cleared
This represents a 14.7% drop from 2004.

And arrests statewide were down 30.8%.

See the big difference in numbers you are using versus the states totals for 2005. You are in error LL, and you are so blind that you do not see it and see only what you want.

If you want anyone to look at numbers copy them and paste them here exactly as you saw them, just like I do.

You can't be trusted, you are making too many typo mistakes for my liking or for me to believe what you write.

:-D
:-D


So, are you calling me a liar again LL....Yes or NO no debate here .....Yes or No

I have got news for you Lilwolf, it is what we are supposed to do here to debate, not to call each other names.

:-D
:-D

[lilwolf]

Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote:

LL, your chart is from the ISP but it is not the right one. That chart you used is "crimes against persons". My chart is ISP totals for 2005 for the state of Idaho.
You did not read it or you would have known that. So, please do not make yourself look any worse by saying you read everything I post, because clearly you did not.
The 2005 totals are 14.7% lower than 2004 and had only 3 arrests reported for murder and 0 cleared. If you are going to do Idaho LL, make damn sure you take into consideration that crimes cleared are in the final total of the numbers and not all crimes as reported.
Now read the chart and you decide where you made the mistake.

I did not make any mistake, I just copied and pasted what was on page 25 titled "Murder, Definition - The willful killing of one human being by another" of the document "The 2005 Crime in Idaho, issued by the Idaho State Police, Bureau of Criminal Identification, Uniform Crime".

Your link is the page 228 of the same document Lilwolf.

I read everything you post here Lilwolf, certainly not everything you link.
:-D
:-D


I do not get it LL. You are using a 5 years trend chart. My chart clearly shows a completely different set of numbers that you only because you are using a 5 year period.

Now if you look at my chart closely you will see that in 2005 the followng numbers are reflected as totals for the state. Not f***** spin LL. Look at the numbers. They are not as high as you portray. Your chart says 41 cases and the actual state cases after clearing were as follows:

3 reported murders in the state of Idaho and 0 cleared
This represents a 14.7% drop from 2004.

And arrests statewide were down 30.8%.

See the big difference in numbers you are using versus the states totals for 2005. You are in error LL, and you are so blind that you do not see it and see only what you want.

If you want anyone to look at numbers copy them and paste them here exactly as you saw them, just like I do.

You can't be trusted, you are making too many typo mistakes for my liking or for me to believe what you write.

:-D
:-D


So, are you calling me a liar again LL....Yes or NO no debate here .....Yes or No

I have got news for you Lilwolf, it is what we are supposed to do here to debate, not to call each other names.

:-D
:-D

So answer the question Ll. Are you calling me a liar again..... Yes or NO

No debate and no spin just answer the question or are you afraid to.

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote:

So answer the question Ll. Are you calling me a liar again..... Yes or NO

No debate and no spin just answer the question or are you afraid to.

If you don't want to debate but to engage in name calling, here is not the place Lilwolf.

:-D
:-D

[lilwolf]

Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote:

So answer the question Ll. Are you calling me a liar again..... Yes or NO

No debate and no spin just answer the question or are you afraid to.

If you don't want to debate but to engage in name calling, here is not the place Lilwolf.

:-D
:-D

It certainly is the place LL. You called me a liar here in open forum and I want an answer here and now....

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote:

So answer the question Ll. Are you calling me a liar again..... Yes or NO

No debate and no spin just answer the question or are you afraid to.

If you don't want to debate but to engage in name calling, here is not the place Lilwolf.

:-D
:-D

It certainly is the place LL. You called me a liar here in open forum and I want an answer here and now....

You seem to already have the answer in your question Lilwolf, what kind of debate is this when there is no way I can answer without you running to have me banned?
Debate the issue, not the poster Lilwolf.
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[lilwolf]

Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote:

So answer the question Ll. Are you calling me a liar again..... Yes or NO

No debate and no spin just answer the question or are you afraid to.

If you don't want to debate but to engage in name calling, here is not the place Lilwolf.

:-D
:-D

It certainly is the place LL. You called me a liar here in open forum and I want an answer here and now....

You seem to already have the answer in your question Lilwolf, what kind of debate is this when there is no way I can answer without you running to have me banned?
Debate the issue, not the poster Lilwolf.
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:-D

I am debating the issue LL. I will drop this right now if you give me your word right here and now that this will be dropped and you will never call me a liar again here and now. Agreed or not LL.