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[Numb]

I'm just gonna throw my two cents in if I may, England has both a smaller population then the U.S. and is an island. An island is much easier to secure then a large country that is flanked on two sides by very large and mostly unprotected borders, add shipping containers and you have one very open and hard to secure country. Thus an England style gun restriction wouldnt work. Not to mention that if someone is driven to murder, a lack of guns surely isn't going to stop them.
Say your a murderer, you are going to kill someone, you have a choice of either a gun, a bat or a knife. Which would you choose?
I have also seen statistics that show that as the number of guns goes up, violent crime goes down.
I also see that someone mentioned Canada at one point. Canada has ALOT of guns up there, and not just hunting weapons either. Yet there murder rate is lower then the U.S.. With this in mind it looks like guns are not the factor (or the only factor) involved here.
I know I'm beating a dead horse but I do think that unintentional fear monguring by the media contributes to fear people have concerning violent crime. Violent crimes go down while media coverage goes up. This fear probably contributes to most gun related accidents.

I would agree however that some more restrictions should apply to owning a weapon. I don't think that say, too many weapons are to blame or what type but who has those weapons. The Constitution bans people from an absolute ban on guns or guns for certain people but violent or psycotic criminals shouldn't be able to buy a gun and get it after a 5 day check. I don't know how this would work but again it is my two cents.

[lilwolf]

Jefferson wrote: Hey LL:

In the end, you live in a second rate country compared to the US.

I understand you now. This is about your ego. This is not about gun control. It is all about ego. No matter what you say, my life is going to much better than yours. I will have at my disposal more of the earths resourses and the system of government will allow me to maximize my pleasure. No matter how much you hate US citizens, you hate does not matter. You can't do a thing about it.

BWAHHHAAAAHAA.


You are so right Jefferson.... It is all about his ego, and has always been so. It is either his way or no way....There is a medical term for people like him.....obsessive compulsive....and they make pills for that.

My lady is half british and even though she loves england she said this guy is a nut and not a good represetation of british folks.

[Numb]

lilwolf wrote: Jefferson wrote: Hey LL:

In the end, you live in a second rate country compared to the US.

I understand you now. This is about your ego. This is not about gun control. It is all about ego. No matter what you say, my life is going to much better than yours. I will have at my disposal more of the earths resourses and the system of government will allow me to maximize my pleasure. No matter how much you hate US citizens, you hate does not matter. You can't do a thing about it.

BWAHHHAAAAHAA.


You are so right Jefferson.... It is all about his ego, and has always been so. It is either his way or no way....There is a medical term for people like him.....obsessive compulsive....and they make pills for that.

My lady is half british and even though she loves england she said this guy is a nut and not a good represetation of british folks.
I still wouldn't call England second rate. That seems kind of egotistical too.

[lilwolf]

Numb wrote: lilwolf wrote: Jefferson wrote: Hey LL:

In the end, you live in a second rate country compared to the US.

I understand you now. This is about your ego. This is not about gun control. It is all about ego. No matter what you say, my life is going to much better than yours. I will have at my disposal more of the earths resourses and the system of government will allow me to maximize my pleasure. No matter how much you hate US citizens, you hate does not matter. You can't do a thing about it.

BWAHHHAAAAHAA.


You are so right Jefferson.... It is all about his ego, and has always been so. It is either his way or no way....There is a medical term for people like him.....obsessive compulsive....and they make pills for that.

My lady is half british and even though she loves england she said this guy is a nut and not a good represetation of british folks.
I still wouldn't call England second rate. That seems kind of egotistical too.

I am sorry I did not clear that part up. I don't hold the UK as second rate, but I sure do say it is his ego.

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: That's a damn good photo of Bob Johnson on the right. I had not seen that one ...cool.
The photo was taken during a charity fundraising drive for St. Judes childrens hospital. So they were not cooking LL. That is a lline of your usual crap you love to hand out.

Second again here we go with the number thing again. I will also say that in 2005 we had 35 murders state wide with a rate of 2.5 so all in all no to bad.


http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/idcrime.htm

An increase of it's 2004 murder rate of 10% Lilwolf. Is Idaho a violent society with large populated cities of high murder rates?

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[Lucky Luke]

Numb wrote: I'm just gonna throw my two cents in if I may, England has both a smaller population then the U.S. and is an island. An island is much easier to secure then a large country that is flanked on two sides by very large and mostly unprotected borders, add shipping containers and you have one very open and hard to secure country. Thus an England style gun restriction wouldnt work. Not to mention that if someone is driven to murder, a lack of guns surely isn't going to stop them.
Say your a murderer, you are going to kill someone, you have a choice of either a gun, a bat or a knife. Which would you choose?
I have also seen statistics that show that as the number of guns goes up, violent crime goes down.
I also see that someone mentioned Canada at one point. Canada has ALOT of guns up there, and not just hunting weapons either. Yet there murder rate is lower then the U.S.. With this in mind it looks like guns are not the factor (or the only factor) involved here.
I know I'm beating a dead horse but I do think that unintentional fear monguring by the media contributes to fear people have concerning violent crime. Violent crimes go down while media coverage goes up. This fear probably contributes to most gun related accidents.

I would agree however that some more restrictions should apply to owning a weapon. I don't think that say, too many weapons are to blame or what type but who has those weapons. The Constitution bans people from an absolute ban on guns or guns for certain people but violent or psycotic criminals shouldn't be able to buy a gun and get it after a 5 day check. I don't know how this would work but again it is my two cents.

Consider this Numb, the peaceful American state of Idaho has a similar murder rate than Scotland, the most violent western nation as per some UN poll with the second murder rate of western Europe and with Glasgow, the second Scottish city that was the western European murder capital for the last two decades.

Scotland's murder rate is less than 10% with guns, peaceful Idaho, more than 60%.

Scotland is a very violent society, Idaho is not. Canada has a hunting gun culture, Idaho has an American gun culture.

You are right the gun control laws have to be toughened up and the American gun culture has to change and move away from handguns and shooting at people while in doubt or the American gun culture will die when American people will decide that enough is enough.

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[Lucky Luke]

Jefferson wrote: Hey LL:

In the end, you live in a second rate country compared to the US.

I understand you now. This is about your ego. This is not about gun control. It is all about ego. No matter what you say, my life is going to much better than yours. I will have at my disposal more of the earths resourses and the system of government will allow me to maximize my pleasure. No matter how much you hate US citizens, you hate does not matter. You can't do a thing about it.

BWAHHHAAAAHAA.

I love America and I have many American friends Jefferson, this is one of the reasons I am here. I just can't accept that American people keep on killing one another at such insane rate.

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[lilwolf]

Here we go with numbers again Ll.

http://www.isp.state.id.us/identification/ucr/2005/documents/IdahoStatePolice.pdf


Different from what you said.

[Thrilla]

Lucky Luke wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: Let me have a look:



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This is how the British Police our streets, unarmed. They don't want to look like threatening the community to submission but to serve and protect the community as we are paying them to do.

Lucky Luke wrote:
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Let's see what you have:



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This is how the American Police goes out to secure the American streets, there is a war out there and it isn't in Iraq, there are enemies out there and there aren't Iraqi insurgents. These guys are out for some serious shooting.

milo1047 wrote:

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This is how our PM the liar got elected three times, by getting armed officers from the Anti-Terrorist Branch of the Met out in the streets for some photo shoot. Those officers don't police our streets, they are actors of the Socialist Prime liar.

milo1047 wrote:
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You were saying?

I am saying that the Idaho Police should get out there in the streets sorting out Idaho's murder rate instead of trying to cook with some guns:

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YAY for misrepresentation using graphic images!!!!.. hip hip horray!

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to clarify for everyone.... the picture LL used with the American officers patrolling New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina.. after the quasi martial law was called.... this in no way represents the normal of even half-assed common patrol methods of any US police force.

that is all...
thank you for your time

[lilwolf]

I have noticed LL that your little chart does not reflect crimes cleared, and you have a nasty tendancy of doing that as of late.

So if you are going to present my state make real sure you do it right. I deal with and train law enforcement officers on a continual basis and you are wrong about this state.

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: Here we go with numbers again Ll.

http://www.isp.state.id.us/identification/ucr/2005/documents/IdahoStatePolice.pdf


Different from what you said.

This is the link I used Lilwolf, I did not say anything, I did not give any numbers, I posted what was written in the link, something you never do.

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[lilwolf]

Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: Here we go with numbers again Ll.

http://www.isp.state.id.us/identification/ucr/2005/documents/IdahoStatePolice.pdf


Different from what you said.

This is the link I used Lilwolf, I did not say anything, I did not give any numbers, I posted what was written in the link, something you never do.

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If this is your link Ll, and it is not . The charts you posted are not on my link so if you wish to take a look at the numbers on the real state police charts do so. There is no spin LL and you chart is not on this link.

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: I have noticed LL that your little chart does not reflect crimes cleared, and you have a nasty tendancy of doing that as of late.

So if you are going to present my state make real sure you do it right. I deal with and train law enforcement officers on a continual basis and you are wrong about this state.

This is not my chart Lilwolf, blame the people behind the link. I suggest to you that the law enforcement officers are responsible for this chart, not me.
The most honest way to report what a link says is to copy and paste their own words and charts Lilwolf, something you don't do.
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[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: Here we go with numbers again Ll.

http://www.isp.state.id.us/identification/ucr/2005/documents/IdahoStatePolice.pdf


Different from what you said.

This is the link I used Lilwolf, I did not say anything, I did not give any numbers, I posted what was written in the link, something you never do.

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If this is your link Ll, and it is not . The charts you posted are not on my link so if you wish to take a look at the numbers on the real state police charts do so. There is no spin LL and you chart is not on this link.

It is not only the same source but the same document Lilwolf, follow my link and you will see, must I tell you everything?

Your link is only one page of the document, my link is the whole of the document...

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[lilwolf]

Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: I have noticed LL that your little chart does not reflect crimes cleared, and you have a nasty tendancy of doing that as of late.

So if you are going to present my state make real sure you do it right. I deal with and train law enforcement officers on a continual basis and you are wrong about this state.

This is not my chart Lilwolf, blame the people behind the link. I suggest to you that the law enforcement officers are responsible for this chart, not me.
The most honest way to report what a link says is to copy and paste their own words and charts Lilwolf, something you don't do.
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It is PDF file LL from the ISP and if you do not open and compare the innacuracies of your chart that you quickly dumped out there with the actual figures then you are scared to have you ass handed to you. The link is different so read it if you have the guts.

[lilwolf]

Lucky Luke wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: Let me have a look:



...........


This is how the British Police our streets, unarmed. They don't want to look like threatening the community to submission but to serve and protect the community as we are paying them to do.

Lucky Luke wrote:
...................
Let's see what you have:



:-D
:-D

This is how the American Police goes out to secure the American streets, there is a war out there and it isn't in Iraq, there are enemies out there and there aren't Iraqi insurgents. These guys are out for some serious shooting.

milo1047 wrote:

.................


This is how our PM the liar got elected three times, by getting armed officers from the Anti-Terrorist Branch of the Met out in the streets for some photo shoot. Those officers don't police our streets, they are actors of the Socialist Prime liar.

milo1047 wrote:
vs.



You were saying?

I am saying that the Idaho Police should get out there in the streets sorting out Idaho's murder rate instead of trying to cook with some guns:

Quote:
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Yes it is a chart luke but where is the link. Post it so people can actually get to it. You offer no visible link to the chart

[Lucky Luke]

Thrilla wrote:

YAY for misrepresentation using graphic images!!!!.. hip hip horray!

:roll: :roll:

to clarify for everyone.... the picture LL used with the American officers patrolling New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina.. after the quasi martial law was called.... this in no way represents the normal of even half-assed common patrol methods of any US police force.

that is all...
thank you for your time

Our police respond to natural disasters unarmed Thrilla.

Your SWAT teams are patrolling your street as we speak.

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[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: Lucky Luke wrote:

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Yes it is a chart luke but where is the link. Post it so people can actually get to it. You offer no visible link to the chart

Are you blind?

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[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: I have noticed LL that your little chart does not reflect crimes cleared, and you have a nasty tendancy of doing that as of late.

So if you are going to present my state make real sure you do it right. I deal with and train law enforcement officers on a continual basis and you are wrong about this state.

This is not my chart Lilwolf, blame the people behind the link. I suggest to you that the law enforcement officers are responsible for this chart, not me.
The most honest way to report what a link says is to copy and paste their own words and charts Lilwolf, something you don't do.
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It is PDF file LL from the ISP and if you do not open and compare the innacuracies of your chart that you quickly dumped out there with the actual figures then you are scared to have you ass handed to you. The link is different so read it if you have the guts.

I always read what you post here Lilwolf, you know I do.

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[lilwolf]

Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: I have noticed LL that your little chart does not reflect crimes cleared, and you have a nasty tendancy of doing that as of late.

So if you are going to present my state make real sure you do it right. I deal with and train law enforcement officers on a continual basis and you are wrong about this state.

This is not my chart Lilwolf, blame the people behind the link. I suggest to you that the law enforcement officers are responsible for this chart, not me.
The most honest way to report what a link says is to copy and paste their own words and charts Lilwolf, something you don't do.
:-D
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It is PDF file LL from the ISP and if you do not open and compare the innacuracies of your chart that you quickly dumped out there with the actual figures then you are scared to have you ass handed to you. The link is different so read it if you have the guts.

I always read what you post here Lilwolf, you know I do.

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LL, your chart is from the ISP but it is not the right one. That chart you used is "crimes against persons". My chart is ISP totals for 2005 for the state of Idaho.
You did not read it or you would have known that. So, please do not make yourself look any worse by saying you read everything I post, because clearly you did not.
The 2005 totals are 14.7% lower than 2004 and had only 3 arrests reported for murder and 0 cleared. If you are going to do Idaho LL, make damn sure you take into consideration that crimes cleared are in the final total of the numbers and not all crimes as reported.
Now read the chart and you decide where you made the mistake.