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[lilwolf]

We are concerned about murders but LL, the guns are not the problem. The lax criminal justice system is at fault and not guns or people that own them.

But there is also the fact that many americans do not want some foreigner standing there and telling us to do it their way because their crime rates of murder is low.

In your case LL, The UK was already low before Dunblane and you surrendered your weapons and did not offer any argument. Americans are not going to allow it. They are called VOTERS LL and we are winning as voters.

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: We are concerned about murders but LL, the guns are not the problem. The lax criminal justice system is at fault and not guns or people that own them.

But there is also the fact that many americans do not want some foreigner standing there and telling us to do it their way because their crime rates of murder is low.

In your case LL, The UK was already low before Dunblane and you surrendered your weapons and did not offer any argument. Americans are not going to allow it. They are called VOTERS LL and we are winning as voters.

No lax criminal justice system in America your prison population rate is insane, America is one of the countries in the world that puts the most of it's people behind bars and yet the murder rate is still insane.

What is it if not the guns Lilwolf?

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[lilwolf]

Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: We are concerned about murders but LL, the guns are not the problem. The lax criminal justice system is at fault and not guns or people that own them.

But there is also the fact that many americans do not want some foreigner standing there and telling us to do it their way because their crime rates of murder is low.

In your case LL, The UK was already low before Dunblane and you surrendered your weapons and did not offer any argument. Americans are not going to allow it. They are called VOTERS LL and we are winning as voters.

No lax criminal justice system in America your prison population rate is insane, America is one of the countries in the world that puts the most of it's people behind bars and yet the murder rate is still insane.

What is it if not the guns Lilwolf?

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About a thousand other things that would honestly include a small fraction of guns. There are vaiables and that is a fact.

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: We are concerned about murders but LL, the guns are not the problem. The lax criminal justice system is at fault and not guns or people that own them.

But there is also the fact that many americans do not want some foreigner standing there and telling us to do it their way because their crime rates of murder is low.

In your case LL, The UK was already low before Dunblane and you surrendered your weapons and did not offer any argument. Americans are not going to allow it. They are called VOTERS LL and we are winning as voters.

No lax criminal justice system in America your prison population rate is insane, America is one of the countries in the world that puts the most of it's people behind bars and yet the murder rate is still insane.

What is it if not the guns Lilwolf?

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About a thousand other things that would honestly include a small fraction of guns. There are vaiables and that is a fact.

We all have those things Lilwolf and the rest of the western democratic world is very diverse and yet our murder rate is much lower and nowhere near 70% with firearms.

What makes America having such an insane murder rate if not the guns Lilwolf?

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[lilwolf]

Obviously you are not getting it so have a good day LL. You live on an island and this nation is one hell of alot bigger and we all have the same problems. It is not only guns LL, and you damn well know. I am not going to play spin games on this issue....you are not dense so have a good one.

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: Obviously you are not getting it so have a good day LL. You live on an island and this nation is one hell of alot bigger and we all have the same problems. It is not only guns LL, and you damn well know. I am not going to play spin games on this issue....you are not dense so have a good one.

I am not getting it because you are not telling me what makes America having such an insane murder rate if not the guns Lilwolf.

The EU is big, Canada is next door, stop finding excuses for your insane murder rate, tell us what it is that makes Americans killing each other with handguns like nobody else in the western democratic world Lilwolf.

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[lilwolf]

I would probably say thatr illegal drugs are a pretty strong contender in the issue

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: I would probably say thatr illegal drugs are a pretty strong contender in the issue

Because you think we haven't got illegal drugs here? Think again!

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[lilwolf]

Just forget it LL. You have your own insane agenda and no matter what anyone says to you, you are going to either spin it or play a little game. So in closing LL.....take a hike okay. No one really want (least of all me ) wants a brit or any foreigner trying to tell us how to run our lives when you have not evenb got your own nation under control. You are all patsies for your govt. And you are no t as free as you would like to think. Look around you and then you tell me if that is not a police state that you live in.

[RooK]

Are all criminals in prison for murder? Are there other reasons why people would be in prison? Are people still murdered in the UK? Why would someone still murder (or attempt) without guns?

Answer these questions LL and you shall be enlightened.

[Lucky Luke]

lilwolf wrote: Just forget it LL. You have your own insane agenda and no matter what anyone says to you, you are going to either spin it or play a little game. So in closing LL.....take a hike okay. No one really want (least of all me ) wants a brit or any foreigner trying to tell us how to run our lives when you have not evenb got your own nation under control. You are all patsies for your govt. And you are no t as free as you would like to think. Look around you and then you tell me if that is not a police state that you live in.

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[Lucky Luke]

RooK wrote: Are all criminals in prison for murder? Are there other reasons why people would be in prison? Are people still murdered in the UK? Why would someone still murder (or attempt) without guns?

Answer these questions LL and you shall be enlightened.

All criminals are not in prison for murder but murderers should be. Are you suggesting that despite the huge number of people you are putting in jail somehow the murderers don't get to go behind bars in America? I would suggest that America as a record of murderers per capita in jail and yet more murders are committed, what is going on Rook?

There are many reasons why people should go to prison, again I can't see any why Americans should go more to prison than in any other countries Rook. What good does it do? The American crime rates are similar to ours and America's murder rate is insanely high.

People are still murdered in the UK but nowhere near the rate Americans kill each other at. Our prison population per capita is quite high but nowhere near America's one.

Your last question is very clever and I can tell you that the answer is already in your question.
Strict gun control laws don't reduce the number of violent crimes, gun control laws in fact could very well increase the number of non fatal violent crimes because they make it a hell more difficult for people to murder one another without easy access to guns. Attempting to murder someone without a gun isn't that easy, if it was American murderers wouldn't choose a gun 70% of the times, why would they?

You are right I feel enlightened, do you?
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[lilwolf]

For the most part LL, no one really gives a f*** about england or your crime rates. We really do not care.

There are always going to be criminals and there will always be prisons, so that's a lame BS thought line.

Guns are a reality and one thet legal gun owners are going to kepp and will fight idiots who think we should not have them to the end.

Not you or some other simple minded clown out there is going to persuade americans that guns are evil, that guns kill, that all americans are obsessed with guns, that the woes of the world are the fault of americans and their guns.

You have repeatedly said that you dont't buy that guns save lives and every single time that comes up it is propaganda to you.

No matter what we say or you say it all comes down to this....numbers.
Numbers that have been thrown around here that we as legal gun owners are not really interested in at all. Thise numbers are all the time innacurate and are spun so many times by you and us that it has gotten old and very boring. So, in that line of thought you have been told how numbers are generated and how the US states are different and yet you still like the govt. figures. You have been shown time and time again differences in different agencies and yet you still say they are accurate.

You lack principle and logic in all of your argument and you lack common sense in that you have yet to figure out that you can throw you line of reasoning into this and expect that legal gun owners are going to even care. Half of the torture for you is not seeing why we like our rights to own and the other half is your inability to see that logically you are not that well recieved into any argument on guns at all. Your obvious obsession has clouded your ability for logic, and you simply cannot or refuse to see that americans all want to kepp guns away from bad guys, and yet you would have us surrender to the govt. and become sheep for the slaughter.
You have been shown the values of guns vs. lives and you have consistantly tried to play the money card into the equation. You also do this on a very repetative basis where you play americans for dumb and ignorant people that value their guns as a way of self defense and as tools of livlihoods and recreational aspects.
You have some sort of an idea here that we should be like the UK. You also imply that we should want to be like the UK.... This is where you are wrong LL and you cannot see that.

No one in america that is a legal gun owner would even want to be like the UK. Not by a long shot. To do so would mean scrapping the constitution and bill of rights and surrendering to the will of a govt.

So , LL, welcome to the real world of legal gun owners and try to understand why very few people are actually going to debate with you when you have never stated a principle or logic in your obsession to remove or impose laws that would never work here.
The voters are speaking LL, and the rights of americans are being upheld, and there is nothing that anti-gun people can do to stop it.

Brady was a joke and did very little to reduce crime as it was touted. Crime had already started declining in 1991 three years before brady and it still goes down.
So in the end you are all by yourself LL.

[milo1047]

Lucky Luke wrote: lilwolf wrote: Just forget it LL. You have your own insane agenda and no matter what anyone says to you, you are going to either spin it or play a little game. So in closing LL.....take a hike okay. No one really want (least of all me ) wants a brit or any foreigner trying to tell us how to run our lives when you have not evenb got your own nation under control. You are all patsies for your govt. And you are no t as free as you would like to think. Look around you and then you tell me if that is not a police state that you live in.

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Let's see what you have:



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You were saying?

[Boneman]

lilwolf wrote: Just forget it LL. You have your own insane agenda and no matter what anyone says to you, you are going to either spin it or play a little game. So in closing LL.....take a hike okay. No one really want (least of all me ) wants a brit or any foreigner trying to tell us how to run our lives when you have not evenb got your own nation under control. You are all patsies for your govt. And you are no t as free as you would like to think. Look around you and then you tell me if that is not a police state that you live in.
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[lilwolf]

Boneman wrote: lilwolf wrote: Just forget it LL. You have your own insane agenda and no matter what anyone says to you, you are going to either spin it or play a little game. So in closing LL.....take a hike okay. No one really want (least of all me ) wants a brit or any foreigner trying to tell us how to run our lives when you have not evenb got your own nation under control. You are all patsies for your govt. And you are no t as free as you would like to think. Look around you and then you tell me if that is not a police state that you live in.
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Don't take that personal boneman...it is aimed clearly at him because he is giving many of the good brits heart burn over his antics. Nothing personal I assure you.

[private_citizen]

Let me guess, was this funded by that fat *astard Michael MooreFoodbecauseIamafatpig?

[Lucky Luke]

Lucky Luke wrote: Let me have a look:



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This is how the British Police our streets, unarmed. They don't want to look like threatening the community to submission but to serve and protect the community as we are paying them to do.

Lucky Luke wrote:
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This is how the American Police goes out to secure the American streets, there is a war out there and it isn't in Iraq, there are enemies out there and there aren't Iraqi insurgents. These guys are out for some serious shooting.

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This is how our PM the liar got elected three times, by getting armed officers from the Anti-Terrorist Branch of the Met out in the streets for some photo shoot. Those officers don't police our streets, they are actors of the Socialist Prime liar.

milo1047 wrote:
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I am saying that the Idaho Police should get out there in the streets sorting out Idaho's murder rate instead of trying to cook with some guns:

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[lilwolf]

That's a damn good photo of Bob Johnson on the right. I had not seen that one ...cool.
The photo was taken during a charity fundraising drive for St. Judes childrens hospital. So they were not cooking LL. That is a lline of your usual crap you love to hand out.

Second again here we go with the number thing again. I will also say that in 2005 we had 35 murders state wide with a rate of 2.5 so all in all no to bad.


http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/idcrime.htm

[Jefferson]

Hey LL:

In the end, you live in a second rate country compared to the US.

I understand you now. This is about your ego. This is not about gun control. It is all about ego. No matter what you say, my life is going to much better than yours. I will have at my disposal more of the earths resourses and the system of government will allow me to maximize my pleasure. No matter how much you hate US citizens, you hate does not matter. You can't do a thing about it.

BWAHHHAAAAHAA.