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[Jim Nightshade]

Otacon wrote: Jim Nightshade wrote: Quote: terrible satire.


it's also a terrible comparison.

if you eat a cheeseburger, your heart doesn't explode, your teeth don't rot, you don't get holes in your nose etc etc etc.

when you eat a cheeseburger, you don't veer off the road because you black out(unless you get the itis).


I believe the leading cause of death is still a bad diet or booze or drugs?

That may be true, but we should let people die of bad diet and/or booze and drugs. If they want to waste their lives away doing such things, then they have that right. It is not the government's job to keep you alive. You should be allowed to eat all the unhealthy food you want to. You have the right to kill yourself.


Yep...just like smoking...but they tax the hell out of it...maybe they should do the same with overeating and over-drinking...I bet the Kennedy`s would be the first to advocate a drink or food tax....what say you?

[callous]

Atlas Bergeron wrote: 1. People who eat too many fatty foods get heart attacks and cost alot in medical bills.
2. The government's job is to protect people by whatever means necessary
therefore, 3. the government should ban all fatty foods.

We could call it "The Fatty War"

The governments job is to serve the people, not protect it.

bloody titanic difference.

The number two reason why a fat ban is an asinine idea is that there are hundreds of fatty foods that are essential for the growth of human beings.

You are attempting to fix peoples individual choices for them. That is one hell of an effort towards anti-humanitarian socialism.

[Jim Nightshade]

Quote: "Keep smoking... we want to tax you!"

After that it could be food...booze..alternate sexual lifestyles (Hmm..why not tax homosexuals for the Aids epidemic?)...hell we liberals can find any reason to tax.

[Otacon]

Jim Nightshade wrote: Otacon wrote: Jim Nightshade wrote: Quote: terrible satire.


it's also a terrible comparison.

if you eat a cheeseburger, your heart doesn't explode, your teeth don't rot, you don't get holes in your nose etc etc etc.

when you eat a cheeseburger, you don't veer off the road because you black out(unless you get the itis).


I believe the leading cause of death is still a bad diet or booze or drugs?

That may be true, but we should let people die of bad diet and/or booze and drugs. If they want to waste their lives away doing such things, then they have that right. It is not the government's job to keep you alive. You should be allowed to eat all the unhealthy food you want to. You have the right to kill yourself.


Yep...just like smoking...but they tax the hell out of it...maybe they should do the same with overeating and over-drinking...I bet the Kennedy`s would be the first to advocate a drink or food tax....what say you?

No. No taxes. You can die all you want, but no taxes.

[Jim Nightshade]

Quote: The number two reason why a fat ban is an asinine idea is that there are hundreds of fatty foods that are essential for the growth of human beings.


Yeah...I see their growth everday....




:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Atlas Bergeron]

LostSoul3412 wrote: Atlas Bergeron wrote: Obviously. Its a satire against banning alchohol for people under 21, since that most affects me. But it also deals with all drug bans.

And no, I wasn't stoned, am not stoned, and have never been stoned.

So you're saying "If I don't get to drink, then no body else gets to eat!" ?

This sounds really immature, and whiny...

The reason that the drinking age is 21 is because parts of the brain are still developing until that age, and alcohol can stunt that growth.

The problem with that is that the government is protecting people's brains by not letting them have alcohol, but they're perfectly ok with giving an "underdeveloped brain" a rifle?

Personally, I think it's a state's issue. On top of that, if someone can die for my country, they earned the right to have a beer.

Personal Note: I'm 18, and I don't drink.

I won't drink to get drunk, but it sounds kind of good to sit down and have a beer after a hard day in college. Why exactly should I not be able to do that? ...
exactly
Also, alchohol, unless consumed in excess, has very little affect on a brain at 18. I am sure eating seven Big Mac's would be worse for you overall than a beer or two.

[Atlas Bergeron]

Jim Nightshade wrote: Quote: "Keep smoking... we want to tax you!"

After that it could be food...booze..alternate sexual lifestyles (Hmm..why not tax homosexuals for the Aids epidemic?)...hell we liberals can find any reason to tax.

:lol: that reminded me of a monty python episode where they were discussing taxes and someone wanted to tax for 'doing it'

anyway, to say we should stop someone from doing something when they are not harming anybody is rediculous. If there is a drunk man endangering himself, then I can see the justification for the police momentarily detaining him and then sueing him for endangering others (parents have the same justication becuase thier children are not yet fully concious). But otherwise there is no moral justification for it. I am 18 and a legal citizen. It is my decision.

[perdidochas]

Atlas Bergeron wrote: 1. People who eat too many fatty foods get heart attacks and cost alot in medical bills.
2. The government's job is to protect people by whatever means necessary
therefore, 3. the government should ban all fatty foods.

We could call it "The Fatty War"

1. True
2. Where does it say that?
3. Well, if 2 is incorrect, 3 doesn't follow.

[Gdawg007]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: Rhoades wrote: Statement number two is wrong.

Yeap.

the only justified reason for the existance of goverment is to prosecute thouse who violate the rights of others.

By removing the ability of people to choose what foods they wish to eat, you are supressing their liberty.

Egro a goverment that dose ban fatty foods negates its own justification for existance.

Unless of course one can prove that someone is attacking our society with fatty foods. Imagine how genius that would be. The terrorists can kill us of with heart attacks and cancer slowly over time, and we're none the wiser..:lol: I meant this as a bit of a joke, but now that I think about it, it's a pretty decent evil plot! :-)

That said, I think the gov't can take steps to help keep the American public from becoming so unhealthy that it begins to lose productivity. Education, rewarding good eating habits, and other means are certainly within their means and don't involve banning foods or monitoring what we eat.

[DMS]

Their are people who smoke , drink and eat whatever they like and live in their 90s and their are health freaks who die in their 40s from heart attacks. Their are much more factors in this than diet. This is a distraction and giving the government more control over something which they have no business controling. Let them control one aspect of your daily life and they might want to control it all. Lets just turn the country into one big psychiatric floor. They can tell us what to eat, when to crap, what to read, where to work, what to watch and have a handy little schedule for all. No thank you. You should live in a Communist society if you want your life micro-managed by the government.

They should ban onions and deviled eggs. I have probably shortened my poor wifes life by giving her the dutch oven treatment.

[LostSoul3412]

Atlas Bergeron wrote: I won't drink to get drunk, but it sounds kind of good to sit down and have a beer after a hard day in college. Why exactly should I not be able to do that? ...
exactly
Also, alchohol, unless consumed in excess, has very little affect on a brain at 18. I am sure eating seven Big Mac's would be worse for you overall than a beer or two.

I'm just saying that if we have the "right" to register for the draft, and possible die for our country, then why don't we have the right to drink?

I'd say either raise the smoking, voting, and draft age to 21, or drop the drinking age to 18.

But on top of that, I still feel that it's not the federal government's place to make domestic policy.

[Tetracide]

Moved to the appropriate forum. :)

[Wolverine]

Atlas Bergeron wrote: 1. People who eat too many fatty foods get heart attacks and cost alot in medical bills.
Which they pay for.

Quote: 2. The government's job is to protect people by whatever means necessary
therefore, 3. the government should ban all fatty foods.

We could call it "The Fatty War"
By any chance do you have a passage from the nifty Constitution backing this up?

[Wolverine]

Jim Nightshade wrote: Otacon wrote: Jim Nightshade wrote: Quote: terrible satire.


it's also a terrible comparison.

if you eat a cheeseburger, your heart doesn't explode, your teeth don't rot, you don't get holes in your nose etc etc etc.

when you eat a cheeseburger, you don't veer off the road because you black out(unless you get the itis).


I believe the leading cause of death is still a bad diet or booze or drugs?

That may be true, but we should let people die of bad diet and/or booze and drugs. If they want to waste their lives away doing such things, then they have that right. It is not the government's job to keep you alive. You should be allowed to eat all the unhealthy food you want to. You have the right to kill yourself.


Yep...just like smoking...but they tax the hell out of it...maybe they should do the same with overeating and over-drinking...I bet the Kennedy`s would be the first to advocate a drink or food tax....what say you?
We should also tax your Internet connection, because that could contribute to obesity.
Not to mention your car, why aren't you walking?

[Fiduciary]

In America, stupidity is generally protected behavior, unless it either directly infringes on someone else's rights or the commies in congress determine otherwise

[micfranklin]

LostSoul3412 wrote: Atlas Bergeron wrote: I won't drink to get drunk, but it sounds kind of good to sit down and have a beer after a hard day in college. Why exactly should I not be able to do that? ...
exactly
Also, alchohol, unless consumed in excess, has very little affect on a brain at 18. I am sure eating seven Big Mac's would be worse for you overall than a beer or two.

I'm just saying that if we have the "right" to register for the draft, and possible die for our country, then why don't we have the right to drink?

I'd say either raise the smoking, voting, and draft age to 21, or drop the drinking age to 18.

But on top of that, I still feel that it's not the federal government's place to make domestic policy.

I could go on and on for days about the drinking age thing you said, but that's not the topic.

Anyway, banning fatty foods is close to the government dictating the morality for people, and that's not what they're there for. It's not their decision to choose what we can or can't eat.

[Atlas Bergeron]

That was my point. The government doesn't have the right to dictate what you eat any more than it has the right to dictate what you drink or smoke.

Catch my drift all those who think otherwise?

[The Comrade]

Atlas Bergeron wrote: That was my point. The government doesn't have the right to dictate what you eat any more than it has the right to dictate what you drink or smoke.

Catch my drift all those who think otherwise?


Atlas Bergeron wrote: Obviously. Its a satire against banning alchohol for people under 21, since that most affects me. But it also deals with all drug bans.

And no, I wasn't stoned, am not stoned, and have never been stoned


basically you're just complaining about how you can't drink legally yet and you want to. and that you can't do drugs legally, but you want to.

[Drake]

I would fully support the government's right to control the diets and even the behavior of those receiving "assistance" through programs such as Medicaid, AFDC, etc.

[Kumar]

The fact that we as a society have to pay for obesity indirectly (through lost productivity) and directly (healthcare costs) negates the argument that it does not affect others. It clearly does.

However, the answer is not banning fatty foods. The answer is education and the promotion of a healthy diet from early childhood.