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Hypocritical_Hypocrisy wrote: Emotionally charged? Having emotion at all does not does not equal emotionally charged. And is it any less 'intellectually reprehensible' to advocate a new form of infanticide?
It is emotionally charged because you have extrapolated abortion into murder which is a tactic employed by many a social conservatives so as to blow out the argument hyperbolically and it is intellectually reprehensible because you have illustrated a general sense of ignorance with regards to the scientific basis of this issue, with regards to embryology, developmental psychology, etc.
Hypocritical_Hypocrisy wrote: I also have a couple of points I want to summarize:
Babies are not sacks of cells to be disposed of indiscriminately
I’m not talking about a baby, you silly person, I’m talking about blastocysts, zygotes and fetuses.
Hypocritical_Hypocrisy wrote: abortion is ending a human life, therefore it is murder

Medically inaccurate and scientifically untrue. I will address your fallacious non-sequitur in the next response.
Hypocritical_Hypocrisy wrote: women are not incubators, but it is their responsibility for the things they do, as it is for anyone else. This discussion is honest and legitimate, abortion is depriving life from a baby, therefore it is killing.
Tautology. Your argument is that abortion is “depriving life” therefore it is “killing,” that is an infantile non-sequitur. Your argument essentially runs as follows: abortion is the murder of a baby, therefore abortion is murder, excuse me while I laugh myself to tears.
Hypocritical_Hypocrisy wrote: And I suggest that you not defend your homicidal tendencies with terministic screening.
Ad hominem. Shall I “suggest” that you cease defending your tendencies to rape women’s bodies through semantic hyperbole? Let us have a rational discussion, although I seriously doubt you are mature enough to have one based on your opening post and your subsequent responses.
Hypocritical_Hypocrisy wrote: NEWS FLASH!: Ethics are based on morals!
I seriously doubt you could describe to me what a utilitarian set of ethics necessarily consisted of. Oh, and news flash: there really isn’t a difference between ethics and morals you silly goof you.

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Hypocritical_Hypocrisy wrote: And is it any less 'intellectually reprehensible' to advocate a new form of infanticide? Who's advocating infantacide? Pro-choice folks are advocating a woman's right to end a pregnancy before the mindless lump of biomass in her womb becomes an infant.


Quote: Babies are not sacks of cells to be disposed of indiscriminately True. However before it becomes a baby, a woman has a legal right to choose whether or not to continue with her pregnancy. I do agree with you, though, that once that child is born they are not to be 'disposed of indiscriminately.'


Quote: abortion is ending a human life Actually, it's not. It's the ending of a fetus, which could one day become human life if the woman chooses to continue with her pregnancy.


Quote: therefore it is murder Can you cite me some legal case law to back that up? Didn't think so. Abortion is legal and should be.


Quote: and you are right, women are not incubators, but it is their responsibility for the things they do Which is exactly why a woman should have a right to terminate her pregnancy if she chooses. If she's not willing to take responsibility for a baby, it would be grossly irresponsible of us, as a nation, to force her to. Forced pregnancy and forced childbirth reeks of misogyny like few things I've ever heard.


Quote: abortion is depriving life from a baby, therefore it is killing. That's merely your interpretation. To many of us, abortion is terminating a fetus before it becomes a baby.

If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one. However, you have NO RIGHT to dictate the course of personal medical decisions between a woman and her doctor.

Let's get the assistance of Mirriam-Webster here:

Quote: Main Entry: abor·tion
Pronunciation: &-'bor-sh&n
Function: noun
1 : the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus. http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/abortion

Hmm.....no mention of an infant there. Only 'embryo' and 'fetus.' How 'bout that? :) Also, can you point me to some instances where anyone has been arrested for "infanticide" or "murder" after having an abortion? I hunted high and low but couldn't find any.

My point here being: murder is a legal term, therefore abortion is not murder.