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[Patriot911]

Zombie3785 wrote: Flamboyant you must not get out much then. I know tons of conspiracy theorist and it is about half and half, liberals vs. conservatives. I'm not so sure about the conspiracy myself but I have done lots of research on it and the evidence is pretty stagering. It atleast has proven itself to be possible if all this information is out in the open and unclassified then a grand conspiracy like the Manhattan Project could be easy to hide. To just ignore that is irresponsible. From what you've seen is what your opinion leads you to think about someone you know nothing about but a screen-name and a forum comment.

So show us your evidence.

As for the Manhatten Project, you're talking about those that really knew what was going on sequestered away out in the middle of New Mexico. Pretty easy to contain a secret when you can watch everyone. Very few people outside of Los Alamos knew what was going on. Everyone else only knew they were working on a government project. Think they told all 130,000 people who eventually worked on the project what it was they were doing? :roll:

And once the bombs were set off, many probably figured it out on their own. "Hmmm..... I'm working with uranium which they now say was in the bombs..... DUH!"

This same line of reasoning that compartmentalization was used is pure horse hockey. First off, it would require very stupid, very loyal people. Why stupid? Because they would have to be so dumb they couldn't figure out they were part of 9/11.

But wait! It gets worse! It also involves making sure that every member of a group is "in" on the conspiracy. Every air traffic controller, cleanup man, investigator, forensic scientist would have to be in on it or someone would have figured it out and spilled the beans.

Also, they knew the Manhattan project wouldn't have to be kept secret forever. They knew that they could undertake the extreme precautions they took to keep it secret because one way or the other it wouldn't last forever. Not true with 9/11. If there was a conspiracy they were trying to keep secret, they need to keep it secret until at the very minimum everyone involved is dead. How are they going to do that? ;-)

So how are they enforcing this secret? Thousands of goon squads keeping an eye on everyone? Now how do you keep the goon squads quiet?

Just because they managed to keep the Manhattan project secret for a couple years doesn't provide proof that it could be done with 9/11. There are way too many things different other than they would both have to be kept secret.

[psholtz]

The government keeps things like 9/11 a "secret" by compartmentalization.

Information and tasks are distributed on a "need to know" basis, and only a few players at the very top of the pyramid have the entire picture of what's going on. It's like the story of the Nazi factory worker who thought he was building baby carriages, but when he took the parts home and put them together, he found he was holding a machine gun in his hands.

Identical principle applies to black ops like 9/11..

[Patriot911]

psholtz wrote: The government keeps things like 9/11 a "secret" by compartmentalization.

Information and tasks are distributed on a "need to know" basis, and only a few players at the very top of the pyramid have the entire picture of what's going on. It's like the story of the Nazi factory worker who thought he was building baby carriages, but when he took the parts home and put them together, he found he was holding a machine gun in his hands.

Identical principle applies to black ops like 9/11..

bulls**t. Normally that works if a normal person can't connect the dots. That wouldn't work on 9/11. Take air traffic control for example. That is a logical "compartment". If you tell them to ignore certain things on that day or not follow procedures, don't you think they could add one and one together and get two? Of course they could. Nice theory, but unworkable in the events of 9/11. Compartmentalization only works when the workers can't see the whole picture. EVERYONE saw 9/11.

[psholtz]

Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: The government keeps things like 9/11 a "secret" by compartmentalization.

Information and tasks are distributed on a "need to know" basis, and only a few players at the very top of the pyramid have the entire picture of what's going on. It's like the story of the Nazi factory worker who thought he was building baby carriages, but when he took the parts home and put them together, he found he was holding a machine gun in his hands.

Identical principle applies to black ops like 9/11..

bulls**t. Normally that works if a normal person can't connect the dots. That wouldn't work on 9/11. Take air traffic control for example. That is a logical "compartment". If you tell them to ignore certain things on that day or not follow procedures, don't you think they could add one and one together and get two? Of course they could. Nice theory, but unworkable in the events of 9/11. Compartmentalization only works when the workers can't see the whole picture. EVERYONE saw 9/11.
The air traffic controllers were tricked into ignoring the hijackings b/c there were false-flag hijacking drills being conducted up and down the U.S. seaboard that day, "simulating" a hijacking. This is identical to the MO the government used in the OKC bombing and in the London 7/7 bombings, where local authorities were busy conducting "drills" of the exact same nature as the "real" attacks that actually simultaneously happened.

Listen to the air traffic control tapes..

"That's strange .. the hijacking isn't supposed to start for another hour "

"I've never seen so much 'real world' stuff during a drill"

They thought they had just another drill on their hands.

And once they figured out it was real, they wasted even more time chasing the "fake", "drill" radar blips instead of going after the planes that were *really* hijacked.

Proof indeed that the USG was involved from start to finish.

Compartmentalization at its finest.

If you want to keep an eye on the US military, to see what types of terror attacks it's planning next against America (i.e., what kinds of "drills" its staging, which could be used as a cover for carrying out a real terror attack), visit this Web site:

http://falseflagnews.com/
http://www.falseflagnews.com/why_monitor_drills

[BigOMG]

andieza wrote: The Disbelievers
9/11 Conspiracy Theorists Are Building Their Case Against the Government From Ground Zero.

First of all, to prove a conspiracy true you would need ummm, whats the word I'm looking for uuuugggghhh, oh yeah. FACTS. Something they have never had to support a single claim. Until such a time, your just wasting web-space with this drivel.

[Medius]

Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: The government keeps things like 9/11 a "secret" by compartmentalization.

Information and tasks are distributed on a "need to know" basis, and only a few players at the very top of the pyramid have the entire picture of what's going on. It's like the story of the Nazi factory worker who thought he was building baby carriages, but when he took the parts home and put them together, he found he was holding a machine gun in his hands.

Identical principle applies to black ops like 9/11..

bulls**t. Normally that works if a normal person can't connect the dots. That wouldn't work on 9/11. Take air traffic control for example. That is a logical "compartment". If you tell them to ignore certain things on that day or not follow procedures, don't you think they could add one and one together and get two? Of course they could. Nice theory, but unworkable in the events of 9/11. Compartmentalization only works when the workers can't see the whole picture. EVERYONE saw 9/11.

If we were to take for granted that 9/11 was US Government sponsored terrorism. Also, if we were to assume that someone came to me and asked me to devise a way in which the United States Government could keep a lid on a conspiracy, I would not rely on compartmentalization alone.

The first thing that I would suggest is to build a fake conspiracy that represents a much lesser crime. Something that would allow contrary orders to be passed off and a valid reason to be given. The best way to do that is to create a live training event. You pass out orders that pertain to a live training event that meet the goals to your real covert operation. If you need delays, you put in extraneous steps and delay communications to foster confusion.

As soon as the event is over and it is clear that it was not a training event, you rush to the people involved and put pressure on them. Explain that the delays and screw-ups pertaining to the training operation allowed us to get caught with our pants down. Lean hard on them to shut up and hide evidence. Collude and conspire to create a massive coverup of this training event and avoid any investigations possible.

This false cover-up is a great real cover-up for any evidence that needs to be appropriated and destroyed. If the false cover-up is breached, you find only a conspiracy to hide ineptitude. The big evil cover-up would appear to be a simple CYA operation.

If this were to be done, it takes the event and makes it much like the mahatten project. It creates a cover-up that is only intended to last a few years and once exposed does relatively little harm to those involved.

Now I'm certainly not saying this is what happened, but this is a logical method of covering up a black op. Any conspiracy of the magnitude suggested would not be perpetrated with only a thin veil of a cover-up. Not to mention, if you allow people to believe the worst for many years, completely contrary to some of their natures, then allow a lesser issue to be revealed as explaining away the greater, you create a new populace which is reinforced with the idea that our government isn't evil, just inept. It snaps people back to their previously accepted viewpoint in such a way as to solidly reinforce it and make it less likely that they would probe any further or have such thoughts in the future.

This is one of the primary reasons why I just want an impartial investigation. I don't want to accuse the government and go from there, I want the truth, even if the truth falls in line with the official story.

[Patriot911]

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: The government keeps things like 9/11 a "secret" by compartmentalization.

Information and tasks are distributed on a "need to know" basis, and only a few players at the very top of the pyramid have the entire picture of what's going on. It's like the story of the Nazi factory worker who thought he was building baby carriages, but when he took the parts home and put them together, he found he was holding a machine gun in his hands.

Identical principle applies to black ops like 9/11..

bulls**t. Normally that works if a normal person can't connect the dots. That wouldn't work on 9/11. Take air traffic control for example. That is a logical "compartment". If you tell them to ignore certain things on that day or not follow procedures, don't you think they could add one and one together and get two? Of course they could. Nice theory, but unworkable in the events of 9/11. Compartmentalization only works when the workers can't see the whole picture. EVERYONE saw 9/11.
The air traffic controllers were tricked into ignoring the hijackings b/c there were false-flag hijacking drills being conducted up and down the U.S. seaboard that day, "simulating" a hijacking. This is identical to the MO the government used in the OKC bombing and in the London 7/7 bombings, where local authorities were busy conducting "drills" of the exact same nature as the "real" attacks that actually simultaneously happened.

Listen to the air traffic control tapes..

"That's strange .. the hijacking isn't supposed to start for another hour "

"I've never seen so much 'real world' stuff during a drill"

They thought they had just another drill on their hands.

And once they figured out it was real, they wasted even more time chasing the "fake", "drill" radar blips instead of going after the planes that were *really* hijacked.

Proof indeed that the USG was involved from start to finish.

Compartmentalization at its finest.

If you want to keep an eye on the US military, to see what types of terror attacks it's planning next against America (i.e., what kinds of "drills" its staging, which could be used as a cover for carrying out a real terror attack), visit this Web site:

http://falseflagnews.com/
http://www.falseflagnews.com/why_monitor_drills

:roll: bulls**t. You've proven that there was a little bit of confusion on 9/11, but compartmentalization? Pure unadulterated bulls**t. Show me where the ATC people did something like hide flight 77 landing so some other aircraft / missile could fly into the Pentagon. Pointing to some confusion by NORAD (not ATC) and claiming it is proof of compartmentalization is an outright lie.

Oh, and you've been caught in another lie. ATC didn't say the stuff you've attributed to them. That was Major Nasypany of NEADS.

Quote: "When they told me there was a hijack, my first reaction was 'Somebody started the exercise early,'" Nasypany later told me. The day's exercise was designed to run a range of scenarios, including a "traditional" simulated hijack in which politically motivated perpetrators commandeer an aircraft, land on a Cuba-like island, and seek asylum. "I actually said out loud, 'The hijack's not supposed to be for another hour,'" Nasypany recalled. (The fact that there was an exercise planned for the same day as the attack factors into several conspiracy theories, though the 9/11 commission dismisses this as coincidence. After plodding through dozens of hours of recordings, so do I.)

Your second quote doesn't even show up in any form in a google search.

Just more examples of Psholtz outrageous lies in order to prove a conspiracy theory that doesn't fit the facts (except for his made up "facts" that is) and is, in general, completely unworkable.

[Patriot911]

Medius wrote: Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: The government keeps things like 9/11 a "secret" by compartmentalization.

Information and tasks are distributed on a "need to know" basis, and only a few players at the very top of the pyramid have the entire picture of what's going on. It's like the story of the Nazi factory worker who thought he was building baby carriages, but when he took the parts home and put them together, he found he was holding a machine gun in his hands.

Identical principle applies to black ops like 9/11..

bulls**t. Normally that works if a normal person can't connect the dots. That wouldn't work on 9/11. Take air traffic control for example. That is a logical "compartment". If you tell them to ignore certain things on that day or not follow procedures, don't you think they could add one and one together and get two? Of course they could. Nice theory, but unworkable in the events of 9/11. Compartmentalization only works when the workers can't see the whole picture. EVERYONE saw 9/11.

If we were to take for granted that 9/11 was US Government sponsored terrorism. Also, if we were to assume that someone came to me and asked me to devise a way in which the United States Government could keep a lid on a conspiracy, I would not rely on compartmentalization alone.

The first thing that I would suggest is to build a fake conspiracy that represents a much lesser crime. Something that would allow contrary orders to be passed off and a valid reason to be given. The best way to do that is to create a live training event. You pass out orders that pertain to a live training event that meet the goals to your real covert operation. If you need delays, you put in extraneous steps and delay communications to foster confusion.

As soon as the event is over and it is clear that it was not a training event, you rush to the people involved and put pressure on them. Explain that the delays and screw-ups pertaining to the training operation allowed us to get caught with our pants down. Lean hard on them to shut up and hide evidence. Collude and conspire to create a massive coverup of this training event and avoid any investigations possible.

This false cover-up is a great real cover-up for any evidence that needs to be appropriated and destroyed. If the false cover-up is breached, you find only a conspiracy to hide ineptitude. The big evil cover-up would appear to be a simple CYA operation.

If this were to be done, it takes the event and makes it much like the mahatten project. It creates a cover-up that is only intended to last a few years and once exposed does relatively little harm to those involved.

Now I'm certainly not saying this is what happened, but this is a logical method of covering up a black op. Any conspiracy of the magnitude suggested would not be perpetrated with only a thin veil of a cover-up. Not to mention, if you allow people to believe the worst for many years, completely contrary to some of their natures, then allow a lesser issue to be revealed as explaining away the greater, you create a new populace which is reinforced with the idea that our government isn't evil, just inept. It snaps people back to their previously accepted viewpoint in such a way as to solidly reinforce it and make it less likely that they would probe any further or have such thoughts in the future.

This is one of the primary reasons why I just want an impartial investigation. I don't want to accuse the government and go from there, I want the truth, even if the truth falls in line with the official story.

Do you honestly believe any hard core conspiracy theorist would be swayed by ANY report, independant or otherwise if it proved that events happened pretty much like the government said? I would bet you good money right here and now it would be dismissed or ripped apart faster than an unguarded box of doughnuts at a weightwatchers convention.

Claiming the "training events" were all that was needed to cover up USG involvement falls way short of what it would truly take to cover anything up.

What did the "training events" buy anyone? It didn't buy the hijackers any time. NORAD responded to the FAA requests as soon as they received word. At best you have a 5 second delay as NORAD asked if it was a real world event. It still wasn't enough time.

[psholtz]

Medius wrote: I want the truth, even if the truth falls in line with the official story.
It won't..

It already doesn't...

Did you see Rice before the 9/11 Commisson? It was a total joke:

Quote: RICE: I remember very well that the president was aware that there were issues inside the United States. He talked to people about this. But I don't remember the al Qaeda cells as being something that we were told we needed to do something about.

BEN-VENISTE: Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?

RICE: I believe the title was, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/08/rice.transcript/

This transcript doesn't even begin to do justice to Rice's lies..

If you watch the video, the sense you get is something like:

Senator: Was there a specific threat to the US in the August 6 PDB?
Rice: No, there wasn't.
Senator: Can you tell me the title of the August 6 PDB?
Rice: I believe the title was "Bin Laden Determine to Attack Inside in the United States"

People watching these hearing were JUST FURIOUS. You could see them on camera in the background.. They were just fuming, fuming, fuming at Rice. "Was there a threat?" "No" "What was the name of the PDB?" "Bin Laden Determined to Attack within the US" ..

What a joke.. :roll:

Granted, I don't necessary much believe there had to have been an August 6 PDB, or that OBL had much to do w/ 9/11, but that these criminals are just SO BAD at lying .. and that they can completely contradict themselves in testimony before Congress w/in the space of about 3 seconds just causes my jaw to drop..

[psholtz]

Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: The government keeps things like 9/11 a "secret" by compartmentalization.

Information and tasks are distributed on a "need to know" basis, and only a few players at the very top of the pyramid have the entire picture of what's going on. It's like the story of the Nazi factory worker who thought he was building baby carriages, but when he took the parts home and put them together, he found he was holding a machine gun in his hands.

Identical principle applies to black ops like 9/11..

bulls**t. Normally that works if a normal person can't connect the dots. That wouldn't work on 9/11. Take air traffic control for example. That is a logical "compartment". If you tell them to ignore certain things on that day or not follow procedures, don't you think they could add one and one together and get two? Of course they could. Nice theory, but unworkable in the events of 9/11. Compartmentalization only works when the workers can't see the whole picture. EVERYONE saw 9/11.
The air traffic controllers were tricked into ignoring the hijackings b/c there were false-flag hijacking drills being conducted up and down the U.S. seaboard that day, "simulating" a hijacking. This is identical to the MO the government used in the OKC bombing and in the London 7/7 bombings, where local authorities were busy conducting "drills" of the exact same nature as the "real" attacks that actually simultaneously happened.

Listen to the air traffic control tapes..

"That's strange .. the hijacking isn't supposed to start for another hour "

"I've never seen so much 'real world' stuff during a drill"

They thought they had just another drill on their hands.

And once they figured out it was real, they wasted even more time chasing the "fake", "drill" radar blips instead of going after the planes that were *really* hijacked.

Proof indeed that the USG was involved from start to finish.

Compartmentalization at its finest.

If you want to keep an eye on the US military, to see what types of terror attacks it's planning next against America (i.e., what kinds of "drills" its staging, which could be used as a cover for carrying out a real terror attack), visit this Web site:

http://falseflagnews.com/
http://www.falseflagnews.com/why_monitor_drills

:roll: bulls**t. You've proven that there was a little bit of confusion on 9/11, but compartmentalization? Pure unadulterated bulls**t. Show me where the ATC people did something like hide flight 77 landing so some other aircraft / missile could fly into the Pentagon. Pointing to some confusion by NORAD (not ATC) and claiming it is proof of compartmentalization is an outright lie.

Oh, and you've been caught in another lie. ATC didn't say the stuff you've attributed to them. That was Major Nasypany of NEADS.

Quote: "When they told me there was a hijack, my first reaction was 'Somebody started the exercise early,'" Nasypany later told me. The day's exercise was designed to run a range of scenarios, including a "traditional" simulated hijack in which politically motivated perpetrators commandeer an aircraft, land on a Cuba-like island, and seek asylum. "I actually said out loud, 'The hijack's not supposed to be for another hour,'" Nasypany recalled. (The fact that there was an exercise planned for the same day as the attack factors into several conspiracy theories, though the 9/11 commission dismisses this as coincidence. After plodding through dozens of hours of recordings, so do I.)

Your second quote doesn't even show up in any form in a google search.

Just more examples of Psholtz outrageous lies in order to prove a conspiracy theory that doesn't fit the facts (except for his made up "facts" that is) and is, in general, completely unworkable.
You can listen to the air traffic control tapes on the Vanity Fair Web site.

Both quotes I cited are (more or less) on those tapes, as I quoted them from memory.

Also funny that your reporter seems to dismiss the hijacking drills as a "coincidence" (along w/ the 9/11 Whitewash Committee), but your blurb doesn't say anything about what the air traffic controller thinks about it.. The reporter no doubt is on CIA payroll..

You hear air traffic controllers on the tapes saying (once they figure out it's a real hijacking) things like "damn! these guys are f-ing smart" The context of that quote is that they were smart enough to pull off the hijackings on the same day that U.S. military was conducting the most extensive set of hijacking drills ever in its history (before or since).

Yes indeed.

Smart they were, weren't they?

[Medius]

Patriot911 wrote: Do you honestly believe any hard core conspiracy theorist would be swayed by ANY report, independant or otherwise if it proved that events happened pretty much like the government said? I would bet you good money right here and now it would be dismissed or ripped apart faster than an unguarded box of doughnuts at a weightwatchers convention.

Claiming the "training events" were all that was needed to cover up USG involvement falls way short of what it would truly take to cover anything up.

What did the "training events" buy anyone? It didn't buy the hijackers any time. NORAD responded to the FAA requests as soon as they received word. At best you have a 5 second delay as NORAD asked if it was a real world event. It still wasn't enough time.

I said I wanted the truth, not something to appease the hard-core conspiracy theorists.

Also, I'm sure my plan wouldn't be sufficient, but I never claimed to be a master-mind conspiracy cover-up artist. The idea I was trying to portray is that it would certainly be possible to create a cover-up that would delay public knowledge for quite some time. All that has to be done is to put enough layers over the conspiracy to discredit those probing or whistle-blowing.

I gave you two layers, I'm sure if someone were to actually be in the position that I was assuming, they would spend more than a few minutes and come up with dozens of layers and contingency plans.

The point is that we have created a government that is becoming more and more of a black box every day. We allow our governance to hide things from us for our own safety. The more that this is allowed, the less information the people will have, and the greater the threat becomes that a conspiracy can exist.

The greatest travesty I have seen in the wake of 9/11, aside from the wars, is the acceptance or apathy the american people have shown to a government that is becoming larger and more secretive in leaps and bounds.

[psholtz]

Patriot911 wrote: At best you have a 5 second delay as NORAD asked if it was a real world event. It still wasn't enough time.
NORAD didn't stand down for 5 seconds..

NORAD stood down for over 1 hour 45 minutes.

Jets were scrambled and sent flying at high speed in the wrong direction...

When they were turned around, they were ordered to fly at stall speed toward NYC and Washington..

What a joke..

[Patriot911]

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: The government keeps things like 9/11 a "secret" by compartmentalization.

Information and tasks are distributed on a "need to know" basis, and only a few players at the very top of the pyramid have the entire picture of what's going on. It's like the story of the Nazi factory worker who thought he was building baby carriages, but when he took the parts home and put them together, he found he was holding a machine gun in his hands.

Identical principle applies to black ops like 9/11..

bulls**t. Normally that works if a normal person can't connect the dots. That wouldn't work on 9/11. Take air traffic control for example. That is a logical "compartment". If you tell them to ignore certain things on that day or not follow procedures, don't you think they could add one and one together and get two? Of course they could. Nice theory, but unworkable in the events of 9/11. Compartmentalization only works when the workers can't see the whole picture. EVERYONE saw 9/11.
The air traffic controllers were tricked into ignoring the hijackings b/c there were false-flag hijacking drills being conducted up and down the U.S. seaboard that day, "simulating" a hijacking. This is identical to the MO the government used in the OKC bombing and in the London 7/7 bombings, where local authorities were busy conducting "drills" of the exact same nature as the "real" attacks that actually simultaneously happened.

Listen to the air traffic control tapes..

"That's strange .. the hijacking isn't supposed to start for another hour "

"I've never seen so much 'real world' stuff during a drill"

They thought they had just another drill on their hands.

And once they figured out it was real, they wasted even more time chasing the "fake", "drill" radar blips instead of going after the planes that were *really* hijacked.

Proof indeed that the USG was involved from start to finish.

Compartmentalization at its finest.

If you want to keep an eye on the US military, to see what types of terror attacks it's planning next against America (i.e., what kinds of "drills" its staging, which could be used as a cover for carrying out a real terror attack), visit this Web site:

http://falseflagnews.com/
http://www.falseflagnews.com/why_monitor_drills

:roll: bulls**t. You've proven that there was a little bit of confusion on 9/11, but compartmentalization? Pure unadulterated bulls**t. Show me where the ATC people did something like hide flight 77 landing so some other aircraft / missile could fly into the Pentagon. Pointing to some confusion by NORAD (not ATC) and claiming it is proof of compartmentalization is an outright lie.

Oh, and you've been caught in another lie. ATC didn't say the stuff you've attributed to them. That was Major Nasypany of NEADS.

Quote: "When they told me there was a hijack, my first reaction was 'Somebody started the exercise early,'" Nasypany later told me. The day's exercise was designed to run a range of scenarios, including a "traditional" simulated hijack in which politically motivated perpetrators commandeer an aircraft, land on a Cuba-like island, and seek asylum. "I actually said out loud, 'The hijack's not supposed to be for another hour,'" Nasypany recalled. (The fact that there was an exercise planned for the same day as the attack factors into several conspiracy theories, though the 9/11 commission dismisses this as coincidence. After plodding through dozens of hours of recordings, so do I.)

Your second quote doesn't even show up in any form in a google search.

Just more examples of Psholtz outrageous lies in order to prove a conspiracy theory that doesn't fit the facts (except for his made up "facts" that is) and is, in general, completely unworkable.
You can listen to the air traffic control tapes on the Vanity Fair Web site.

Both quotes I cited are (more or less) on those tapes, as I quoted them from memory.

Also funny that your reporter seems to dismiss the hijacking drills as a "coincidence" (along w/ the 9/11 Whitewash Committee), but your blurb doesn't say anything about what the air traffic controller thinks about it.. The reporter no doubt is on CIA payroll..

You hear air traffic controllers on the tapes saying (once they figure out it's a real hijacking) things like "damn! these guys are f-ing smart" The context of that quote is that they were smart enough to pull off the hijackings on the same day that U.S. military was conducting the most extensive set of hijacking drills ever in its history (before or since).

Yes indeed.

Smart they were, weren't they?

Uh.... the quote I pulled was from the Vanity Fair web site. So much for that. And it wasn't Air Traffic Control, it was NORAD. You can't even get the simplest facts straight, can you.

Your quote about the hijackers being smart was because they turned off the transponders.

Even so, it still doesn't prove compartmentalization as you claim. You have yet to prove your claim of compartmentalization in even the most primitive of terms. So far all you've shown is your ability to misquote and screw things up from memory. :lol:

http://www.vanityfair.com/features/general/060801fege01

[Patriot911]

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: At best you have a 5 second delay as NORAD asked if it was a real world event. It still wasn't enough time.
NORAD didn't stand down for 5 seconds..

NORAD stood down for over 1 hour 45 minutes.

Jets were scrambled and sent flying at high speed in the wrong direction...

When they were turned around, they were ordered to fly at stall speed toward NYC and Washington..

What a joke..

bulls**t. Just more claims from you that you can't back up.

Records show that NORAD went into action as soon as contacted by the FAA. You would have to provide evidence that the jets were purposefully sent in the wrong direction or told to fly at stall speeds. For some reason your word just doesn't cut it as proof.