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[Afgan]

elephas wrote: a little illustration to the claims that hatred of the Jews allegedly is not cultivated across all of the Arabia and Iran and what else they said, oh, that the word "Zionist" is not used often:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw2EisVqKZ4

enjoy

Now compare this : http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4070446,00.html

Quote: Rome, Italy -- Italian and Russian police, working together, broke up a ring of Jewish gangsters who had been involved in the manufacture of child rape and snuff pornography.

Three Russian Jews and eight Italian Jews were arrested after police discovered they had been kidnapping non-Jewish children between the ages of two and five years old from Russian orphanges, raping the children, and then murdering them on film. Mostly non-Jewish customers, including 1700 nationwide, 600 in Italy, and an unknown number in the United States, paid as much as $20,000 per film to watch little children being raped and murdered.

Jewish officials in a major Italian news agency tried to cover the story up, but were circumvented by Italian news reporters, who broadcast scenes from the films live at prime time on Italian television to more than 11 million Italian viewers. Jewish officials then fired the executives responsible, claiming they were spreading "blood libel."

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[ChuckBerry]

How has this thread survived so long without being locked? No opinion in the original post.

[ChuckBerry]

Afgan wrote: Three Russian Jews and eight Italian Jews were arrested after police discovered they had been kidnapping non-Jewish children between the ages of two and five years old from Russian orphanges, raping the children, and then murdering them on film. Mostly non-Jewish customers, including 1700 nationwide, 600 in Italy, and an unknown number in the United States, paid as much as $20,000 per film to watch little children being raped and murdered.

Jewish officials in a major Italian news agency tried to cover the story up, but were circumvented by Italian news reporters, who broadcast scenes from the films live at prime time on Italian television to more than 11 million Italian viewers. Jewish officials then fired the executives responsible, claiming they were spreading "blood libel."

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This is a link to a holocaust revisionism site. On its homepage it provides a link to a participant information form for attendance to a Holocaust forum in Tehran.

From the site: Without the lie of the alleged "Holocaust" and the alleged "gas chambers", the State of Israel would not exist and peace would be more prevalent. With that false "Holocaust", which has become the sword and the shield of Israel, peace is in danger. Thus it is that an imaginary holocaust, created and maintained by both the Zionists of Israel and the Jews of the Diaspora, may lead to a real, worldwide holocaust.
http://www.ety.com/HRP/rev/a_real_holocaust.htm

Pictures of the "alleged" Holocaust:






I hardly need to say that any conclusions drawn by this site ought to be considered with that in mind......

[cap'n queasy]

jeechoscopy wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: What's going in future? God knows better. But according to the prophecies we have different ideas.

As you know we believe Jesus will come and rule the world with his true faith (name it Islam.) Everyone would be joining him and standing with him shoulder to shoulder whether it is the west or the east.

Would you join Jesus if he returns?

How will you know if/when Jesus returned? Would a miracle be expected as proof?
Since Islam has determined that Mohammad was the Last Prophet,
how many muslims would accept one who states they are a prophet?
What if a strong willed, well spoken and wise man came forward claiming to be Jesus,
how would a muslim make the determination of his claim without asking for proof?

Or do you fully expect Jesus to arrive in such a manner that there would be no doubt?
Of course, it's said Jinn can and do appear in mystical and spiritual ways also.
How would one determine if the person was truly Jesus or jinn? Jesus the Messiah will come. His appearance is strictly bound with the circumstances those are told as the signs of the last days in Hadiths. Major signs as you know, are Imam Mehdi, Armageddon (this word is not used in hadiths but the state of the affairs), and gog magog. His miracles would be another way to recognize him. Like the way he will appear (from sky,) uniting the world, giving the original texts of Bible, etc.

Prophet Mohammad told several times about the false Mehdi and false prophets. They were been disproved because of the signs Mohammad (peace be upon him) told about. I could not find any hadiths in which the Prophet told about a false jesus. So, Jesus the Christ’s reappearance would without a doubt, but with all the signs and miracles.

The merit is the signs and the state of affairs, not the wise person or a djin.

Richard, hope I helped.

I personally, think ruling over the world might an idea of Islamic theology but by now, Islamists are not capable to practice it. They couldn’t do it when they were on power some hundred years ago. America is such the power, today.

P.S. I’m not an expert on Jesus' Issues, as one can think because of my frequent uses of references to him (and my avatar.)

I wish you would take the time to read this and consider carefully what it says.

[elephas]

Afgan wrote:

Now compare this : http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4070446,00.html

a ring of Jewish gangsters ...

oh, lookie, more anti-semitic, anti-American propaganda from Islamic extremists who use this forum to intimidate us, to condition us for Islamic takeover.. :lol:

[elephas]

CCD wrote: How has this thread survived so long without being locked? No opinion in the original post.
There is an opinion. Very strong opinion. The message is that non-muslims in US and Britain are doomed, that muslims are going to take over and rule both countries and the rest of the world. And the link I put on the table shows how the fighters in the Arabia and Iran are zombified to carry it out for real. The opinion comes from a cleric similar to those on the video.

[mendosan]

elephas wrote: Afgan wrote:

Now compare this : http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4070446,00.html

a ring of Jewish gangsters ...

oh, lookie, more anti-semitic, anti-American propaganda from Islamic extremists who use this forum to intimidate us, to condition us for Islamic takeover.. :lol:

Yet all they do is amuse us.

[jeechoscopy]

cap'n queasy wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: What's going in future? God knows better. But according to the prophecies we have different ideas.

As you know we believe Jesus will come and rule the world with his true faith (name it Islam.) Everyone would be joining him and standing with him shoulder to shoulder whether it is the west or the east.

Would you join Jesus if he returns?

How will you know if/when Jesus returned? Would a miracle be expected as proof?
Since Islam has determined that Mohammad was the Last Prophet,
how many muslims would accept one who states they are a prophet?
What if a strong willed, well spoken and wise man came forward claiming to be Jesus,
how would a muslim make the determination of his claim without asking for proof?

Or do you fully expect Jesus to arrive in such a manner that there would be no doubt?
Of course, it's said Jinn can and do appear in mystical and spiritual ways also.
How would one determine if the person was truly Jesus or jinn? Jesus the Messiah will come. His appearance is strictly bound with the circumstances those are told as the signs of the last days in Hadiths. Major signs as you know, are Imam Mehdi, Armageddon (this word is not used in hadiths but the state of the affairs), and gog magog. His miracles would be another way to recognize him. Like the way he will appear (from sky,) uniting the world, giving the original texts of Bible, etc.

Prophet Mohammad told several times about the false Mehdi and false prophets. They were been disproved because of the signs Mohammad (peace be upon him) told about. I could not find any hadiths in which the Prophet told about a false jesus. So, Jesus the Christ’s reappearance would without a doubt, but with all the signs and miracles.

The merit is the signs and the state of affairs, not the wise person or a djin.

Richard, hope I helped.

I personally, think ruling over the world might an idea of Islamic theology but by now, Islamists are not capable to practice it. They couldn’t do it when they were on power some hundred years ago. America is such the power, today.

P.S. I’m not an expert on Jesus' Issues, as one can think because of my frequent uses of references to him (and my avatar.)

I wish you would take the time to read this and consider carefully what it says.

Thank you cap'n, I believe in Jesus words... if it is, the merite to recognize him would be the same, signs and states of affairs.

Plus, I'm sure he would not be shaved... :)

[slitedeviance]

elephas wrote: oh, lookie, more anti-semitic, anti-American propaganda from Islamic extremists who use this forum to intimidate us, to condition us for Islamic takeover.. :lol:

Do you not get bored of calling people anti-semetic when all they've done is post an article relating to Jews who actually committed a crime?

Is there any point when we can feel safe to criticise people who also happen to be Jewish without being called racist?

[elephas]

mendosan wrote: Yet all they do is amuse us.

It would be mildly entertaining if they were not so deadly serious....

[starwest]

Quote: Quote: Muslima wrote:

Argue as long as you want, but there is no irrational hatred. ....
"Zionists" are hated, I won't deny that, but jews in Europe and South and North America are not hated.


Another good one. What, Daniel Pearl was killed by live beheading not because he was an American Jew but because he was a zionist, with all that cheering from Amman to Cairo to Damascus for the killing of an American Jew? Yeah, right.

hatred towards Jews Scripturally approved-

Quote: Qur’an 2:61 “Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with Allah’s wrath.”

Qur’an 4:44 “Have you not considered those to whom a portion of the Book has been given? They traffic in error and desire that you should go astray. But Allah has full knowledge of your enemies. Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, saying, ‘We hear and we disobey’ with a twist of their tongues they slander Faith…. Allah has cursed them for disbelief.”

Qur’an 4:47 “O you People of the Book to whom the Scripture has been given, believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming and verifying what was possessed by you, before We destroy your faces beyond all recognition, turning you on your backs, and curse you as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers, for the decision of Allah Must be executed.”

Qur’an 4:160 “For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) in that they hindered many from Allah’s Way, that they took usury, though they were forbidden, and that they devoured men’s wealth on false pretenses, We have prepared for those among them who reject [Islamic] Faith a painful doom.”

Qur’an 5:59 “Say: ‘People of the Book! Do you disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that has come to us and that which came before?’ Say: ‘Shall I point out to you something much worse than this by the treatment it received from Allah? Those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom He transformed into apes and swine.”

Qur’an 2:64 “But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. So become apes, despised and hated. We made an example out of you.”

Ishaq:240 “The Jews are a nation of liars.... The Jews are a treacherous, lying, and evil people.”

Qur’an 33:26 “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.”

Ishaq:250 “The bestial transformation occurred when Allah turned Jews into apes, despised.”

Qur'an 59:14 “The Jews are devoid of sense. There is a grievous punishment awaiting them. Satan tells them not to believe so they will end up in Hell.”

Ishaq:254
Qur’an 2:96 “We will not remove a Jew from the punishment. They know the shameful thing that awaits them.”

Qur’an 4:55 “Sufficient for the Jew is the Flaming Fire!”

Qur’an 88:1 “Has the narration reached you of the overwhelming (calamity)? Some faces (all disbelievers, Jews and Christians) that Day, will be humiliated, downcast, scorched by the burning fire, while they are made to drink from a boiling hot spring.”

Tabari VIII:116 “After his return from Hudaybiyah, Allah’s Messenger marched against Khaybar. He halted with his army in a valley between the people of Khaybar and the Ghatafan tribe to prevent the latter from assisting the Jews.”

Ishaq:264 “A notable Jew spoke to the Apostle, twisting his tongue. He attacked Islam and reviled it, so Allah sent down, ‘Allah knows best about your enemies. Some of the Jews change words from their contexts and say: “We hear and disobey,” twisting their tongues and attacking the religion so Allah cursed them.’”

Tabari VIII:121 “Ali struck the Jew with a swift blow that split his helmet, neck protector, and head, landing in his rear teeth. And the Muslims entered the city. Muhammad conquered the [Jewish] neighborhood. Safiyah was brought to him, and another woman with her. Bilal led them past some of the Jews we had slain including the woman’s dead husband. When she saw them, the woman with Safiyah cried out, slapped her face, and poured dust on her head. When Allah’s Prophet saw her, he said, ‘Take this she-devil away from me!’”

Bukhari:V4B53N380 “Umar expelled all the Jews and Christians from Arabia. Allah’s Apostle after conquering Khaybar thought of expelling the Jews from the land which, after he conquered it, belonged to Allah, Allah’s Apostle and the Muslims. But the Jews requested Allah’s Apostle to leave them there on the condition that they would do the labor and get half of the fruits (the land would yield). Allah’s Apostle said, ‘We shall keep you on these terms as long as we wish.’ Thus they stayed till the time of Umar’s Caliphate when he expelled them.”

Tabari VIII:130 “The Messenger said during his final illness, ‘Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: ‘Allah has given permission for you to be expelled; for I have received word that the Prophet said that two religions cannot coexist in Arabia.”

Ishaq:517 “Khaybar was stormed by the Apostle’s squadron, fully armed, powerful, and strong. It brought certain humiliation with Muslim men in its midst. We attacked and they met their doom. Muhammad conquered the Jews in fighting that day as they opened their eyes to our dust.”

Ishaq:524 “We cannot accept the oaths of Jews. Their infidelity is so great they swear falsely.”

Qur’an 59:14 “They [Jews] will not fight against you save in fortified townships. Their hostility and hatred amongst themselves is strong: you would think they were united, but their hearts they are divided. That is because these [Jews] are a people devoid of sense.”

Ishaq:245 “Do you love Jews and their religion, you liver-hearted ass, and not Muhammad? Their religion will never march with ours…. Jews make false professions about Islam. So Allah sent down: ‘Satan wishes to lead them astray.”

Ishaq:248 “Allah increases their sickness. A tormented doom awaits the Jews. Allah said, ‘They are mischief makers. They are fools. The Jews deny the truth and contradict what the Apostle has brought. I will mock them and let them continue to wander blindly.’”

So naturally the Sheik just wants a mass genocide...I wonder if he means before or after the Muslims' take over the world????????????

[Saracen]

starwest wrote: hatred towards Jews Scripturally approved-

Copy-paste "theology" doesn't work.

And I have better scriptural proof that the Koran isn't anti-Semitic, and that the verses you pulled out are out of context.

Also, this is verse 2:61 ...

God wrote: [2:61] And remember ye said: "O Moses! we cannot endure one kind of food (always); so beseech thy Lord for us to produce for us of what the earth groweth, -its pot-herbs, and cucumbers, Its garlic, lentils, and onions." He said: "Will ye exchange the better for the worse? Go ye down to any town, and ye shall find what ye want!" They were covered with humiliation and misery; they drew on themselves the wrath of Allah. This because they went on rejecting the Signs of Allah and slaying His Messengers without just cause. This because they rebelled and went on transgressing.

It talks about the Children of Israel at Moses's time. It's not talking about the Jews of today.

Provide the links to your sources because your source is seriously twisted.

Also, the Battles that you mentioned were largely because they were retaliatory attacks towards the Battle of the Trenches. Jewish clans allied to the Prophet (pbuh) betrayed him in the battle, and as a result many Muslims died. The Prophet Muhamamad (pbuh) fought against the remaining betrayers in Khaybar, but he killed no innocents. It wasn't because they were Jewish, but because of what they did.