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elephas · Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 109

Muslima wrote:
Yes we do have the word, but when are having a normal conversasion, we usuallu say the Jew or the Israel people NOT the zionists!

Oh, I see. So you say, the average Ahmed, sipping his morning tea (coffee) in the coffee house in Cairo or Damascus, reading his morning paper with a typical cartoon like this:

He would not curse "zionists", he would curse "the jews, the people of Israel?"

That actually sounds about right. Digesting another dosage of irrational hatred, your average Khaled would curse just that.

Richard Owl Mirror · Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9002

programmusic wrote: http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=669

The most frequent estimates given have been 200,000,000 registered firearms in the United States.

Population ~ U.S. 299,839,507

Do the math and determine the chance of an Islamic take over of Our Nation. :lol:

Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1639

elephas wrote: Muslima wrote:
Yes we do have the word, but when are having a normal conversasion, we usuallu say the Jew or the Israel people NOT the zionists!

Oh, I see. So you say, the average Ahmed, sipping his morning tea (coffee) in the coffee house in Cairo or Damascus, reading his morning paper with a typical cartoon like this:

He would not curse "zionists", he would curse "the jews, the people of Israel?"

That actually sounds about right. Digesting another dosage of irrational hatred, your average Khaled would curse just that.

Yes, when jews come into the mind of ME's, they picture Israel.

Argue as long as you want, but there is no irrational hatred. How could you hate someone that lives half a day away from you?
"Zionists" are hated, I won't deny that, but jews in Europe and South and North America are not hated.

Hotdog · Joined: 21 Jan 2006 Posts: 421

Muslima... Quote: "Zionists" are hated, I won't deny that, but jews in Europe and South and North America are not hated.

Pull the other one, Muslima - its got bells on it...

Quote: Now a delegation of Muslims in Great Britain has decided, only a few weeks after four of their own killed fifty-two innocents in London, that they find Holocaust Memorial Day an affront to their sensibilities and have recommended to Prime Minister Tony Blair that it be scrapped. At first the news of this recommendation seemed akin to an April Fool.

Quote: The Simon Wiesenthal Center condemned in the strongest terms statements made by British Prime Minister Tony Blair’s top advisor on Muslim Affairs for calling on the British government to cancel the country’s official Holocaust Remembrance Day on January 27, making instead a "Genocide Memorial Day."

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19553

http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=fwLYKnN8LzH&b=245494&ct=1403613

jeechoscopy · Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject:

What's going in future? God knows better. But according to the prophecies we have different ideas.

As you know we believe Jesus will come and rule the world with his true faith (name it Islam.) Everyone would be joining him and standing with him shoulder to shoulder whether it is the west or the east.

Would you join Jesus if he returns?

elephas · Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 109

Muslima wrote:
Argue as long as you want, but there is no irrational hatred. ....
"Zionists" are hated, I won't deny that, but jews in Europe and South and North America are not hated.

:lol: Another good one. What, Daniel Pearl was killed by live beheading not because he was an American Jew but because he was a zionist, with all that cheering from Amman to Cairo to Damascus for the killing of an American Jew? Yeah, right.

Richard Owl Mirror · Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9002

jeechoscopy wrote: What's going in future? God knows better. But according to the prophecies we have different ideas.

As you know we believe Jesus will come and rule the world with his true faith (name it Islam.) Everyone would be joining him and standing with him shoulder to shoulder whether it is the west or the east.

Would you join Jesus if he returns?

How will you know if/when Jesus returned? Would a miracle be expected as proof?
Since Islam has determined that Mohammad was the Last Prophet,
how many muslims would accept one who states they are a prophet?
What if a strong willed, well spoken and wise man came forward claiming to be Jesus,
how would a muslim make the determination of his claim without asking for proof?

Or do you fully expect Jesus to arrive in such a manner that there would be no doubt?
Of course, it's said Jinn can and do appear in mystical and spiritual ways also.
How would one determine if the person was truly Jesus or jinn?

jeechoscopy · Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject:

We all have some mental profile of a group we talk in general. As, now days, all Muslims are viewed under Osama bin Ladin's tag. In the name of Osama hundreds of thousands of Muslims are killed, injured or arrested. Terrorism is used. It's not gifted... we grew it the way. But a mental profile of Jews in Muslim community is not that horrible. Though most of Muslims know all Jews are not Zionists, and that all Christians are not supporting American therapy that is causing more violence in the world, it’s true we have some profiles of each other.

Understanding must have an eye view others beyond words and even realities.

Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1639

elephas wrote: Muslima wrote:
Argue as long as you want, but there is no irrational hatred. ....
"Zionists" are hated, I won't deny that, but jews in Europe and South and North America are not hated.

:lol: Another good one. What, Daniel Pearl was killed by live beheading not because he was an American Jew but because he was a zionist, with all that cheering from Amman to Cairo to Damascus for the killing of an American Jew? Yeah, right.

:roll:

Afgan · Joined: 06 May 2006 Posts: 479

The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) :lol: -- Can't fool me :lol: Bias CRAP!

MEMRI
P.O. Box 27837
Washington, DC 20038-7837
Phone: (202) 955-9070
Fax: (202) 955-9077

Quote: MEMRI is operated by a group closely associated with the Israeli intelligence organizations

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute

jeechoscopy · Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:05 pm Post subject:

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: jeechoscopy wrote: What's going in future? God knows better. But according to the prophecies we have different ideas.

As you know we believe Jesus will come and rule the world with his true faith (name it Islam.) Everyone would be joining him and standing with him shoulder to shoulder whether it is the west or the east.

Would you join Jesus if he returns?

How will you know if/when Jesus returned? Would a miracle be expected as proof?
Since Islam has determined that Mohammad was the Last Prophet,
how many muslims would accept one who states they are a prophet?
What if a strong willed, well spoken and wise man came forward claiming to be Jesus,
how would a muslim make the determination of his claim without asking for proof?

Or do you fully expect Jesus to arrive in such a manner that there would be no doubt?
Of course, it's said Jinn can and do appear in mystical and spiritual ways also.
How would one determine if the person was truly Jesus or jinn? Jesus the Messiah will come. His appearance is strictly bound with the circumstances those are told as the signs of the last days in Hadiths. Major signs as you know, are Imam Mehdi, Armageddon (this word is not used in hadiths but the state of the affairs), and gog magog. His miracles would be another way to recognize him. Like the way he will appear (from sky,) uniting the world, giving the original texts of Bible, etc.

Prophet Mohammad told several times about the false Mehdi and false prophets. They were been disproved because of the signs Mohammad (peace be upon him) told about. I could not find any hadiths in which the Prophet told about a false jesus. So, Jesus the Christ’s reappearance would without a doubt, but with all the signs and miracles.

The merit is the signs and the state of affairs, not the wise person or a djin.

Richard, hope I helped.

I personally, think ruling over the world might an idea of Islamic theology but by now, Islamists are not capable to practice it. They couldn’t do it when they were on power some hundred years ago. America is such the power, today.

P.S. I’m not an expert on Jesus' Issues, as one can think because of my frequent uses of references to him (and my avatar.)

Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1639

Afgan wrote: The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) :lol: -- Can't fool me :lol: Bias CRAP!

MEMRI
P.O. Box 27837
Washington, DC 20038-7837
Phone: (202) 955-9070
Fax: (202) 955-9077

Quote: MEMRI is operated by a group closely associated with the Israeli intelligence organizations

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute

:-o

Hotdog · Joined: 21 Jan 2006 Posts: 421

Afgan wrote: The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) :lol: -- Can't fool me :lol: Bias CRAP!

MEMRI
P.O. Box 27837
Washington, DC 20038-7837
Phone: (202) 955-9070
Fax: (202) 955-9077

Quote: MEMRI is operated by a group closely associated with the Israeli intelligence organizations

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute

Are you saying their research and the conclusions they draw from this are therefore not valid because they have an interest in preserving Israel from being wiped out by her enemies?

Would you please post up a link - ANY link - which does not contain within it certain intrinsic elements of vested interest and partiality for a particular cause... ? Thank you. 8:)

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16391 Location: On Earth

Hotdog wrote: Are you saying their research and the conclusions they draw from this are therefore not valid because they have an interest in preserving Israel from being wiped out by her enemies?

Would you please post up a link - ANY link - which does not contain within it certain intrinsic elements of vested interest and partiality for a particular cause... ? Thank you.

Oh, please. Everyone knows how selective MEMRI-TV really is.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

MEMRI-TV is just showing what is on TV in Islamic nations.

How is that biased?

One of you guys claimed "Pirates of the Caribbean" is a zionist plot. That's biased to the degree on insanity.

The movie doesn't even mention Israel. :lol:

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Saracen wrote: Hotdog wrote: Are you saying their research and the conclusions they draw from this are therefore not valid because they have an interest in preserving Israel from being wiped out by her enemies?

Would you please post up a link - ANY link - which does not contain within it certain intrinsic elements of vested interest and partiality for a particular cause... ? Thank you.

Oh, please. Everyone knows how selective MEMRI-TV really is.

From your link.
Quote: I have discovered that the technical accuracy of MEMRI's translations has not been disputed. Thus I specifically retract my allegation that the organization's translations
are questionable, and I apologize for my error.

:lol:

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16391 Location: On Earth

cap'n queasy wrote: From your link.

Leah Harris wrote: However, I do stand by my assertion that MEMRI engages in the practice of publishing selective and decontextualized excerpts of the Arabic press in ways that can present opponents of occupation as religious extremists or anti-Semites.

The translation may be correct, but the pieces MEMRI brings forth are incomplete. Nice try, though.

jeechoscopy · Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:48 pm Post subject:

Saracen wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: From your link.

Leah Harris wrote: However, I do stand by my assertion that MEMRI engages in the practice of publishing selective and decontextualized excerpts of the Arabic press in ways that can present opponents of occupation as religious extremists or anti-Semites.

The translation may be correct, but the pieces MEMRI brings forth are incomplete. Nice try, though.

You mean, for example, a single hour of the transmission about aggressive protest would be prioritized over the 23 hours of maintaining peace?

And Afgan’s signature (about the cover story of Newsweek’s Oct 2, 2006) is another example of these selective truths.

Clearly, we are pushed toward a particular direction not only by the western media but the selecting hands behind them.

elephas · Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 109

a little illustration to the claims that hatred of the Jews allegedly is not cultivated across all of the Arabia and Iran and what else they said, oh, that the word "Zionist" is not used often:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw2EisVqKZ4

enjoy

The_Joker · Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:10 am Post subject:

elephas wrote: a little illustration to the claims that hatred of the Jews allegedly is not cultivated across all of the Arabia and Iran and what else they said, oh, that the word "Zionist" is not used often:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw2EisVqKZ4

enjoy

After seeing this and many things more (maybe truth and/or lie) on Islam, I can say we are witnessing the internal destruction of a great religion with so much potential to be more than it is. Sadly, as human nature goes, man will always deviate with time from the true teachings of the Prophets and God. The same can be said for Christianity and Judaism. The world is simply going in the gutters. We might as well end this now and restart somewhere new.