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[Muslima]

Why do you keep posting the same topic again and again?

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it's a different video, different guy.

[Showboat]

What's your point?

We've all heard extreamist Muslims in the media before.

[Hotdog]

Showboat... Quote: We've all heard extremist Muslims in the media before.

Yes, but being a slow learner you haven't yet got the message, have you... ?

It's this very same Islamic fascism which has launched a score of suicide bombers to commit their evil deeds in the west. These videos are a fly-on-the-wall-view of the kind which those such as Muslima and liberal-left apologists such as yourself would far prefer to be kept hidden from the public gaze.

It will not be through policies of political correctness or studied naivety that the west will come to grips with the horrors of medieval Islam. It will only be through knowledge and insight into the Islamic mindset that the west will be better able to defend itself against the barbarism that we have already suffered from the faithful.

More's the pity these educationally insightful videos are not run during prime viewing time from TV stations throughout the western world. I want our youths not to grow up with years of being brainwashed by deceitful and obscurantist bullsh!t-artists about how medieval Islam as it is practiced and preached in a dozen Islamic societies is all about love and tolerance for the infidel.

[Muslima]

Hotdog wrote: These videos are a fly-on-the-wall-view of the kind which those such as Muslima and liberal-left apologists such as yourself would far prefer to be kept hidden from the public gaze.

I don't think the seek to change the view of Islam a bad thing.

There are dozens of these videos, but they don't have much effect on educated, moderate Muslims who know how to behave, when and where.

As I said before, all of the killing happening in the name of jihad is farce, Jihad means bringing diginity and power to muslims, do see any happening?

as for showboat, I never felt he was an apologist, especaily in some Islamic laws.

[Showboat]

Quote: as for showboat, I never felt he was an apologist, especaily in some Islamic laws.

I'll take that as a compliment :)

Quote: There are dozens of these videos, but they don't have much effect on educated, moderate Muslims who know how to behave, when and where.


Muslima, what's your opinion on the term "moderate" Muslim. Do you not find it slightly offensive? To me it gives the impression that you're not the normal kind. Do you get what I mean? Surely "moderates" should be described as "Muslims" and the hard line crazies be described as what they are?

And I'd stop feeding the troll. He's proved himself to be nothing more than a racist idiot in other threads. He's here for the wind up.

[Hotdog]

Muslima... Quote: As I said before, all of the killing happening in the name of jihad is farce, Jihad means bringing diginity and power to muslims...

Yeah, right. Tell that to the Sunni and the Shia in Iraq. Tell that to those who have in recent years slaughtered thousands of innocent civilians in the west.

'Jihad'... Quote: ...anything from an inward spiritual struggle to attain perfect faith to a political or military struggle to further the Islamic cause.

Quote: The term "jihad" is often used to describe purely physical and military "holy war", though "physical" struggle, only makes up part of the broader meaning of the concept of jihad.

Quote: Jihad is considered terrorism by much of the civilized world as jihad ignores the boundaries between military and civilian targets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad

[cap'n queasy]

I think it is a good thing to see what these terrorists have to say. Let's everyone know what they are on about.

God tells them it is their duty to kill Jews.

[Hotdog]

Muslima... Quote: as for showboat, I never felt he was an apologist, especaily in some Islamic laws.

Showboat prefers to remain in a Pollyanna Twilight world of denial, and PC diplomacy, and hypocritical dissembling so as to ingratiate with minorities as 'a good fellow' who can be relied upon to be a Useful Idiot for trying to suppress and white-wash the less savoury aspects of Third World cultures.

He's a moral-elitist who likes to believe he's living on a higher moral-plane than those of us who point out that the Emperor is wearing no clothes.

'Showboat' is very aptly named.

[Hotdog]

cap'n queasy wrote: I think it is a good thing to see what these terrorists have to say. Let's everyone know what they are on about.

God tells them it is their duty to kill Jews.

It's not the active terrorists themselves who concern me, so much as the fact that numbered in their countless thousands amongst the Muslim communities of western nations there is a sizeable pool of sympathisers who rejoice in the name of Allah and the Prophet Muhammad every time a bomb goes off amongst western civilians.

Islamic terrorism enjoys the triumphant support of anything from 16 to 20% of western-based Muslims.

[Hotdog]

Showboat... Quote: And I'd stop feeding the troll. He's proved himself to be nothing more than a racist idiot in other threads. He's here for the wind up.

Is this the same 'Showboat' who offered the gem in another thread that people of Middle Eastern appearance should not be especially targeted for a more thorough search at Airport Customs because Islamic terrorists could just as well be Anglo-Saxon white boys going by the name of 'Smith'... ???

Yes, good folk, he actually did offer this piece of gabage with a straight face!! :lol:

(Notice him playing the 'race' card now that his credibility is slipping away? Oh yes, and I'm a 'troll' too!) :-D

[Hotdog]

I'm beginning to think 'Showboat' might be the Missing Link... :lol:

[Hotdog]

Quote: Useful Idiots are naïve, foolish, ignorant of facts, unrealistically idealistic, dreamers, willfully in denial or deceptive. They hail from the ranks of the chronically unhappy, the anarchists, the aspiring revolutionaries, the neurotics who are at war with life, the disaffected alienated from government, corporations, and just about any and all institutions of society. The Useful Idiot can be a billionaire, a movie star, an academe of renown, a politician, or from any other segment of the population.

Arguably, the most dangerous variant of the Useful Idiot is the “Politically Correct.” He is the master practitioner of euphemism, hedging, doubletalk, and outright deception.

The Useful Idiot derives satisfaction from being anti-establishment. He finds perverse gratification in aiding the forces that aim to dismantle an existing order, whatever it may be: an order he neither approves of nor he feels he belongs to.

The Useful Idiot is conflicted and dishonest. He fails to look inside himself and discover the causes of his own problems and unhappiness while he readily enlists himself in causes that validate his distorted perception.

[Showboat]

Hotdog wrote: Muslima... Quote: as for showboat, I never felt he was an apologist, especaily in some Islamic laws.

Showboat prefers to remain in a Pollyanna Twilight world of denial, and PC diplomacy, and hypocritical dissembling so as to ingratiate with minorities as 'a good fellow' who can be relied upon to be a Useful Idiot for trying to suppress and white-wash the less savoury aspects of Third World cultures.

He's a moral-elitist who likes to believe he's living on a higher moral-plane than those of us who point out that the Emperor is wearing no clothes.

'Showboat' is very aptly named.

And hotdog lives in an inbred, closed, insular world where everything outside = bad, because he's far to simple to comprehend the world is not in black and white.

Quote: Is this the same 'Showboat' who offered the gem in another thread that people of Middle Eastern appearance should not be especially targeted for a more thorough search at Airport Customs because Islamic terrorists could just as well be Anglo-Saxon white boys going by the name of 'Smith'... ???

Yes, good folk, he actually did offer this piece of gabage with a straight face!!


Notice how he can't grasp the fact that white people can convert to Islam and become extreamist. His white anglo-saxon supremacist mind can't accept these commonly known facts. It would be comical if it wans't so sad people still think like that in developed countries in the 21st C.


Quote: Notice him playing the 'race' card now that his credibility is slipping away? Oh yes, and I'm a 'troll' too!)

Hmmm he's also so backward that he doesn't think comparing indians, malays and Fijians to zoo animals isn't racist. And that making comments about me being the missing link and feeding me to his dogs isn't trolling.

hhhmmm is also thinks that me saying that some of the Islamic laws are out dated and no longer practical is "trying to suppress and white-wash the less savoury aspects of Third World cultures". What a tool. :lol:

[Hotdog]

Hey! He's back! Like a moth to the flame! I thought he was going to quit on me for being so 'boring' and 'racist' ... :lol:

Showboat... Quote: he's also so backward that he doesn't think comparing indians, malays and Fijians to zoo animals isn't racist.

Comparing their fingers-in-the-food eating habits to what you will see at the zoo is not a 'racist' comment but a cultural one.

Showboat... Quote: Notice how he can't grasp the fact that white people can convert to Islam and become extremist. His white anglo-saxon supremacist mind can't accept these commonly known facts.

And so to Showcase's insane logic it is therefore pointless to 'profile' people of Middle Eastern appearance at our international airports.

How many white converts to Islam have blown themselves up in suicide bombings since and including 9/11... ? Give me a rough figure.

How many people 'of Middle Eastern appearance' have committed mass-murder amongst western civilian populations since and including 9/11... ? Give me a ball-park figure.

After careful examination what do you deduce from these two statistics?

Are we just as likely to apprehend white Anglo-Saxon types trying to carry suicide bombs onto airplanes as we are likely to apprehend people 'of Middle Eastern appearance' trying to do the same?

You're declining into farce, Showboat. Just too silly. It might be time you cut back on those rat-kidneys-and-cockroach stir-fries you keep ordering at those cheap outdoor roadside stalls... :-D

http://www.stalkingthewild.com/stw/why_not_bugs.html

[Showboat]

Quote: And so to Showcase's insane logic it is therefore pointless to 'profile' people of Middle Eastern appearance at our international airports.


As security resources are spent on "profiling" it will make it easier for Islamic extreamists who don't fit the profile to get through. Terrorist groups will make use of this weakness. Please explain why your small brain can't comprehend this simple reasoning?

Quote: How many white converts to Islam have blown themselves up in suicide bombings since and including 9/11... ? Give me a rough figure.


Not many, but a few have. Does she fit your profile?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-1898856,00.html


Quote: How many people 'of Middle Eastern appearance' have committed mass-murder amongst western civilian populations since and including 9/11... ? Give me a ball-park figure.


Many more than white people.

Quote: After careful examination what do you deduce from these two statistics?


That although it is more likely that a suicide bomber be of Mid eastern apperance there is also the possibility of them being of western apperance.


Quote: Are we just as likely to apprehend white Anglo-Saxon types trying to carry suicide bombs onto airplanes as we are likely to apprehend people 'of Middle Eastern appearance' trying to do the same?


Not if we start "profiling". If we do that the Anglo-Saxon types will actually get the bombs on to the planes.

Can you honestly not see that if we start targeting people of mid eastern appearance it makes it easier for people of other apperances to carry out their attacks?

Quote: You're declining into farce, Showboat. Just too silly. It might be time you cut back on those rat-kidneys-and-cockroach stir-fries you keep ordering at those cheap outdoor roadside stalls...

http://www.stalkingthewild.com/stw/why_not_bugs.html

oh another inane troll comment, you just can't resist can you?

I answered all your points. The vast majority of points I raise you skip because you know you're wrong and defend yourself with "Im not jumping through hoops" arguments.

[Hotdog]

Showboat... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-1898856,00.html

Thanks for proving my point:

Caucasians: 1
Middle Easterners: 10³

[Showboat]

Hotdog wrote: Showboat... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-1898856,00.html

Thanks for proving my point:

Caucasians: 1
Middle Easterners: 10³

Once again you dodge all the points.

The fact that there has been even one caucasian bomber defeats the arguement for profiling. Although there have been more than one who have joined hard line extreamist groups and been arrested in terror raids.
Richard Reid although not caucasian was not of Mid Eastern apperance. ahh.. I get it... it's not about Islam at all for you is it? You just want to see anyone not Anglo-Saxon get given a hard time.

Quote: How many people 'of Middle Eastern appearance' have committed mass-murder amongst western civilian populations since and including 9/11... ? Give me a ball-park figure.

Quote: Middle Easterners: 10³

You actually think thousands of Middle easterners have "have committed mass-murder amongst western civilian populations since and including 9/11... ?" :lol:

9/11 = 19
Madrid = 6
London = 5

Total = 30

You live in a fantasy world.

Awaiting your dodging of points, twisting of my words and putting words into my mouth.

[Showboat]

Oh and might I add that Pakistanis (London bombings) aren't Middle Eastern but I'm sure you think they all look the same anyway, right?