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RueTheDay
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thefranzkafkafront wrote: Anywho can we get back to the justification of why rights require a second party?
Do no rights then exist in a vacume?
How can rights exist in a vacuum? By definition, they are claims against other parties that require duties on the part of those other parties to respect. If there were a single human, living on Mars, what possible meaning could a "right" have? What would it mean to say that you have a "right to life", for example, in that context? It would have to mean that inanimate objects like the land, atmosphere, sun, etc. somehow had a duty to not do anything that would harm your life. Since inanimate objects cannot possess duties, such a conclusion is absurd. |
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Fido
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RueTheDay wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: Anywho can we get back to the justification of why rights require a second party?
Do no rights then exist in a vacume?
How can rights exist in a vacuum? By definition, they are claims against other parties that require duties on the part of those other parties to respect. If there were a single human, living on Mars, what possible meaning could a "right" have? What would it mean to say that you have a "right to life", for example, in that context? It would have to mean that inanimate objects like the land, atmosphere, sun, etc. somehow had a duty to not do anything that would harm your life. Since inanimate objects cannot possess duties, such a conclusion is absurd.
Rights are only a part of a relationship; A Form of a relationship that loses all meaning without the relationship. All concepts, even the concept of life would lose all meaning for the last person on earth. |
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Fido
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Quote: I exist, therefore I think - I think in existence, and no "I" exists only because "I" realizes it. Life occurs before self-awareness, I'd call it a necessary condition for thinking.
You live. You do not exist except in relationship to the larger organism of humanity -from which you have your life, and to whom you will pass your life if you have children, and make for them a fit nest. |
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thefranzkafkafront
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RueTheDay wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: Anywho can we get back to the justification of why rights require a second party?
Do no rights then exist in a vacume?
How can rights exist in a vacuum? By definition, they are claims against other parties that require duties on the part of those other parties to respect. If there were a single human, living on Mars, what possible meaning could a "right" have? What would it mean to say that you have a "right to life", for example, in that context? It would have to mean that inanimate objects like the land, atmosphere, sun, etc. somehow had a duty to not do anything that would harm your life. Since inanimate objects cannot possess duties, such a conclusion is absurd.
No by your definition which your not justifying on any sort of skeptical level.
As for you second part, rights are a conscience of intelligence. |
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The Impeacher
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RueTheDay wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: Anywho can we get back to the justification of why rights require a second party?
Do no rights then exist in a vacume?
How can rights exist in a vacuum? By definition, they are claims against other parties that require duties on the part of those other parties to respect. If there were a single human, living on Mars, what possible meaning could a "right" have? What would it mean to say that you have a "right to life", for example, in that context? It would have to mean that inanimate objects like the land, atmosphere, sun, etc. somehow had a duty to not do anything that would harm your life. Since inanimate objects cannot possess duties, such a conclusion is absurd.
hmmm,
does an American citizen in Iraq or Afghnistan cease to have rights? Sell that one to SCOTUS. |
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Fido
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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The Impeacher wrote: RueTheDay wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: Anywho can we get back to the justification of why rights require a second party?
Do no rights then exist in a vacume?
How can rights exist in a vacuum? By definition, they are claims against other parties that require duties on the part of those other parties to respect. If there were a single human, living on Mars, what possible meaning could a "right" have? What would it mean to say that you have a "right to life", for example, in that context? It would have to mean that inanimate objects like the land, atmosphere, sun, etc. somehow had a duty to not do anything that would harm your life. Since inanimate objects cannot possess duties, such a conclusion is absurd.
hmmm,
does an American citizen in Iraq or Afghnistan cease to have rights? Sell that one to SCOTUS.
Do human beings in Iraq and Afghanistan cease to have the same rights we protest that we have to life and freedom of religion? Just as Ho Chi Minh said of America, that we were there for Eastern values (individualism, freedoms that were only spiritual); and he was fighting for Western ideas (like a modern Western independent state, and socialist idealism). We give these people their greatest weapon against them when we devalue their lives so completely that they must force us to count their dead with our own. It is non sense to think we will ever have peace short of mutual respect with these people. Honor is their life, and rights are only the maid of justice. We go there only to die. All other reasons are specious. |
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