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programmusic · Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 1181

Does the Muslim faith say alll jews must be killed on Judgement day?

Clip on# 859, from the former Jordanian minister of religious endowment.

http://memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S6&P3=27#

a transcript

Former Jordanian Minister of Religious Endowments Explains the Science behind the Annihilation of Jews on Judgment Day

Following are excerpts from a TV debate between former Jordanian minister of religious endowments 'Ali Al-Faqir and Jordanian professor of religiouslaw Khaled Al-Qudha. The debate aired on Al-Majd TV on September 11, 2005.

Khaled Al-Qudha: The hadith about the tree and the stone is reliable. The Prophet said: "Judgment Day will come only when the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, until the Jew hides behind the tree and the stone, and the tree and the stone say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him' - except for the Gharqad tree."

This, of course, shows us that the decisive battle will take place on the banks of the Jordan River, which are part of the blessed land. If we survey the decisive battles throughout history, we can see that most of them took place on the banks of the Jordan River - the Battles of Al-Yarmouk, 'Ein Jalut, and Hittin. They all took place on the banks of the Jordan River. The decisive battle between the Jews and us will take place on the Jordan River, Allah willing. This is inevitable. This is a hadith of the Prophet, who does not talk idly.

Host: Did the hadith relate to the battle's outcome as well?

Khaled Al-Qudha: Of course. "Until the Jew hides..." - because, as is well known, the Jews only fight from behind walls, when they are hiding. They don't fight face to face. That's why the tree and the stone will talk and say things.

Host: The hadith says: "The Muslims will kill them..." So this will be a victory of the Muslims.

Khaled Al-Qudha: Yes, and an overwhelming defeat for all the Jews, Allah willing. And this is not at all difficult for Allah.

[...]

This battle will take place. It is inevitable. Even if we go to Oslo, and so on, the battle must take place. The Jews know this, and that's why they plant a lot of Gharqad trees. They know the hadith.

'Ali Al-Faqir: They surround their settlements with Gharqad trees.

Host: Allah be praised, Allah be praised.

Khaled Al-Qudha: They know this, Sheik 'Ali.

'Ali Al-Faqir: Yes, that's true.

[...]

'Ali Al-Faqir: One may ask: "How can a tree possibly talk? The hadith means that we should fight them with sticks and stones." This is not true. We either accept these things as fact or as a metaphor. If you cannot accept it as a fact then it's a metaphor. As long as it is impossible to accept the facts...

But brothers, the Prophet has told us that the time will come when man will talk without using his voice - the cell-phone, the cordless phone. This cordless phone - where did it come from? From the earth. Plastic comes from petroleum. The wires, the iron, and the copper – where do they come from? From the earth. Furthermore, some communication devices are now made of wood. It is not impossible that "the tree and the stone will speak" refers to the advanced scientific instruments that warn you about people. Today you have, for example, early warning stations in Sinai. Early warning stations exist in the Golan. They give the Israelites information about the other side's movements.

Host: Sir, this is if we interpret (the hadith) metaphorically. But isn't it possible that the tree and stone will actually talk? That the tree itself will talk, and the stone itself will talk?

'Ali Al-Faqir: Sir, it has been proven scientifically that the trees and the stones have languages of their own. But we don't have the ability to invent the instruments that will convey the tree's voice and the stone's voice to us.

Science has progressed so much that there are instruments that are placed in gardens. The plant produces certain waves, which are received by the instrument, and the plant says: "I am thirsty, water me, I am sick, heal me."

Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1566

The hadith is very popular and is from trusted resources.

I don't think all the Jews will die, because it will be a battle not a massacre.
Besides, the Gharqad tree is there right?

The discussion seems reasonable to me.

programmusic · Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 1181

wow, and a reasonable discussion? There are no instruments that can understand the language of rocks and trees.

navyblue · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 55

Muslima wrote: The hadith is very popular and is from trusted resources.

I don't think all the Jews will die, because it will be a battle not a massacre.
Besides, the Gharqad tree is there right?

The discussion seems reasonable to me.

What's reasonable about killing Jews because they're Jews?

TheTME · Joined: 09 Aug 2006 Posts: 115

Why is Jesus Christ going to throw all non-Christians into a lake of fire just for being non believers?

skinn · Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 426 Location: beirut

man religions are funny :lol:

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

TheTME wrote: Why is Jesus Christ going to throw all non-Christians into a lake of fire just for being non believers?

Because, He is the king of the Jews and you can see what everyone wants to do to them in the end time.

What do you expect?

Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1566

programmusic wrote: wow, and a reasonable discussion? There are no instruments that can understand the language of rocks and trees.

You got me wrong. I meant that it was reasonable to say that trees and rocks don't talk and there should be a way or another for the prophecy to become true.

Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1566

navyblue wrote: Muslima wrote: The hadith is very popular and is from trusted resources.

I don't think all the Jews will die, because it will be a battle not a massacre.
Besides, the Gharqad tree is there right?

The discussion seems reasonable to me.

What's reasonable about killing Jews because they're Jews?

The reasonable part wasn't about killing jews.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 15867 Location: On Earth

cap'n queasy wrote: Because, He is the king of the Jews and you can see what everyone wants to do to them in the end time.

What do you expect?

Well, with the Zionists who are killing off Palestinians, bulldozing their homes and making their lives a misery, all the while taking more of their land and dehumanizing them, what do you expect? You still want us to hug those who kill us and destroy our homes? I'm talking about Zionists, not Jews.

Btw, programmusic, you should review your link: MEMRI-TV is a propaganda source run by anti-Islamics and anti-Arab people. They have too frequently ommitted necessary detail, and cut footage in order to make a completely understandable piece of speech sound like hate and violence, which is how you perceive Islam... sadly. I already posted the evidence to this in previous threads, but I will do so now.

Jews have a favorable position in Islamic society along with Christians and other non-Muslims. Also, take a look at this link for the End of Times and how they will be portrayed in Islam. Lastly:

IslamOnline wrote: It is proven (in the Prophetic Sunnah) that when the leader of Muslims, the Mahdi, comes to lead them in praying Fajr, `Isa Ibn Maryam (Jesus son of Mary) will come down to them, and the imam will step back so that `Isa can come forward and lead the prayer, but `Isa will put his hand on his back and say, “Go forward and lead the prayer, for the iqamah was given for you.” So their imam will lead them in prayer, and when he has finished, then `Isa will head towards the Dajjal, with whom will be seventy thousand Jews. When the Dajjal looks at him, he will melt like salt in water, and the Messiah `Isa (peace be upon him) will catch up with him at the gate of Lud (which is a town near Jerusalem) and kill him. Then Allah will cause the defeat of the Jews, and there will be nothing that Allah has created that a Jew hides behind, but Allah will cause that thing to speak. Rocks, trees, walls and animals will all say, “O Muslim, O slave of Allah, here is a Jew, come and kill him!” — except for the box-thorn tree (al-gharqad), for it is one of their trees and will not speak.

The Jews mentioned in the Hadith are the Zionist Jews who FIGHT alongside the anti-Christ against the Muslims, not innocent Jews and Zionists.

navyblue · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 55

Saracen wrote:
The Jews mentioned in the Hadith are the Zionist Jews who FIGHT alongside the anti-Christ against the Muslims, not innocent Jews and Zionists.

Where is that stated?

the sane voice · Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 2540

"Already Muslims have been mercilessly expelled from Palestine while Zionists in their bloodthirsty lust for land and power are not' satisfied with Palestine. In their arrogance they openly admit that they want all of Syria, all of Lebanon, all of Jordan in addition to Iraq, Iskenderun from Turkey, the Sinai, and the Delta area from Egypt and the upper Hejaz and Najd from Saudi Arabia. Yes, they even want the holy city of Medinah. "

this is from the site Saracen gave.im shocked at this.its a filthy lie!
what more lies can there be on this site i wonder.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Saracen wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Because, He is the king of the Jews and you can see what everyone wants to do to them in the end time.

What do you expect?

Well, with the Zionists who are killing off Palestinians, bulldozing their homes and making their lives a misery, all the while taking more of their land and dehumanizing them, what do you expect? You still want us to hug those who kill us and destroy our homes? I'm talking about Zionists, not Jews.

Btw, programmusic, you should review your link: MEMRI-TV is a propaganda source run by anti-Islamics and anti-Arab people. They have too frequently ommitted necessary detail, and cut footage in order to make a completely understandable piece of speech sound like hate and violence, which is how you perceive Islam... sadly. I already posted the evidence to this in previous threads, but I will do so now.

Jews have a favorable position in Islamic society along with Christians and other non-Muslims. Also, take a look at this link for the End of Times and how they will be portrayed in Islam. Lastly:

IslamOnline wrote: It is proven (in the Prophetic Sunnah) that when the leader of Muslims, the Mahdi, comes to lead them in praying Fajr, `Isa Ibn Maryam (Jesus son of Mary) will come down to them, and the imam will step back so that `Isa can come forward and lead the prayer, but `Isa will put his hand on his back and say, “Go forward and lead the prayer, for the iqamah was given for you.” So their imam will lead them in prayer, and when he has finished, then `Isa will head towards the Dajjal, with whom will be seventy thousand Jews. When the Dajjal looks at him, he will melt like salt in water, and the Messiah `Isa (peace be upon him) will catch up with him at the gate of Lud (which is a town near Jerusalem) and kill him. Then Allah will cause the defeat of the Jews, and there will be nothing that Allah has created that a Jew hides behind, but Allah will cause that thing to speak. Rocks, trees, walls and animals will all say, “O Muslim, O slave of Allah, here is a Jew, come and kill him!” — except for the box-thorn tree (al-gharqad), for it is one of their trees and will not speak.

The Jews mentioned in the Hadith are the Zionist Jews who FIGHT alongside the anti-Christ against the Muslims, not innocent Jews and Zionists.

Buddy, when your religion tells you to kill anyone you are following antichrist.

The scriptures tell us that it will be antichrist that will try to destroy the restored Israel in the Eschaton.

Guess what?

That's radical Islam.

Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1566

guess what that is the corrupted scripture!

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Muslima wrote: guess what that is the corrupted scripture!

Are you positive about that?

I mean one says "kill these people on this day" and the other says "these people will try to kill you on this day".

Which sounds like it comes from God?

tsunamicin · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 78

TheTME wrote: Why is Jesus Christ going to throw all non-Christians into a lake of fire just for being non believers?

most xians dont believe that these days though

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

tsunamicin wrote: TheTME wrote: Why is Jesus Christ going to throw all non-Christians into a lake of fire just for being non believers?

most xians dont believe that these days though

True enough.

elephas · Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 109

tsunamicin wrote: TheTME wrote: Why is Jesus Christ going to throw all non-Christians into a lake of fire just for being non believers?

most xians dont believe that these days though

like most Muslims don't believe in violence either. Many Muslims don't believe in aHadith or Sunnah anymore, the group called Quraniya who stick with Quran alone.

Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1566

cap'n queasy wrote: Muslima wrote: guess what that is the corrupted scripture!

Are you positive about that?

I mean one says "kill these people on this day" and the other says "these people will try to kill you on this day".

Which sounds like it comes from God?

The hadith doesn't say this day or that, it says Muslims will kill Jews only no specific days or anything.

tsunamicin · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 78

elephas wrote: tsunamicin wrote: TheTME wrote: Why is Jesus Christ going to throw all non-Christians into a lake of fire just for being non believers?

most xians dont believe that these days though

like most Muslims don't believe in violence either. Many Muslims don't believe in aHadith or Sunnah anymore, the group called Quraniya who stick with Quran alone.

more muslims are willing to get worked up into a violent state or committ violence than the average vowed christian.
you really need to understand there is a difference between a person who is a christian and someone who does something becuase they ARE a christian. Muslims do many of the things they do because of their religion.