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programmusic · Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 1181

Kinda makes it hard to avoid "civilian" casualties doesn't it. Also notice that the militant is wearing civilian clothing.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060907/481/d5fb8724ed254cc48ac7a51cfa898da9

fiction416 · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 620 Location: purgatory

programmusic wrote: Kinda makes it hard to avoid "civilian" casualties doesn't it. Also notice that the militant is wearing civilian clothing.

He is wearing military pants, that is not civilain clothing.

Furthermore, the civilians are safe from gunfire, as the are hiding around a corner out of the line of gunfire

this picture proves nothing of human shields, sorry

programmusic · Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 1181

those are cargo pants. Not military pants. Those children are certainly in harms way. Though I wonder what that chair is doing there?

fiction416 · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 620 Location: purgatory

programmusic wrote: those are cargo pants. Not military pants. Those children are certainly in harms way.

I see three militants in these pictures - they are all wearing the same pants

I would say they are military pant, imo

the sane voice · Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 2540

fiction416 wrote: programmusic wrote: Kinda makes it hard to avoid "civilian" casualties doesn't it. Also notice that the militant is wearing civilian clothing.

He is wearing military pants, that is not civilain clothing.

Furthermore, the civilians are safe from gunfire, as the are hiding around a corner out of the line of gunfire

this picture proves nothing of human shields, sorry
what about the one holding a gun in the middle of the crowd?

programmusic · Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 1181

you could buy those pants at the gap or any retail store. The guy in the middle is dressed in military attire. The other guy isn't. It'd be easy to call them civilians. And it'd be hard for one of those kids to not get hit. But I'm guessing this photo is staged.

the sane voice · Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 2540

programmusic wrote: you could buy those pants at the gap or any retail store. The guy in the middle is dressed in military attire. The other guy isn't. It'd be easy to call them civilians. And it'd be hard for one of those kids to not get hit. But I'm guessing this photo is staged.
its looks staged but this how its usually happens.

fiction416 · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 620 Location: purgatory

programmusic wrote: you could buy those pants at the gap or any retail store.

WOW - They have a Gap in Gaza... And I had no idea other retail stores in Gaza were even open, due to the Israel blockade of Gaza... WOW those Palestinians seem to have it all

programmusic · Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 1181

A. Again you're trying to derail the topic.

B. They have clothing stores in gaza, any one of which would sell standard cargo pants like these.

C. Those children are in danger. One of the militants with a gun is literally standing with them surrounding him.

D. The militants (except for one) are dressed like civilians.

Nico · Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Posts: 10594 Location: Auckland

Those civilians sure don't seem under duress. Have you ever seen a crowd gather around a soldier at a corner? I have, on myself when taking a position in the street, kids started moving in all around and asking me questions at a time it was not ideal that they be there. This looks like onlookers not smart enough to register the consequences. I certainly don't see them being used, so much as being dumb.

programmusic · Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 1181

and if there stupidity resulted in them being killed it would be blamed on israel. it'd be quite difficult to hit the guy who''s aiming. More or less impossible to hit the guy surrounded by kids.

Nico · Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Posts: 10594 Location: Auckland

programmusic wrote: and if there stupidity resulted in them being killed it would be blamed on israel. it'd be quite difficult to hit the guy who''s aiming. More or less impossible to hit the guy surrounded by kids.

True. Unfortunately this is the environment Israel have to work with. Gaza is one of the most densly populated places on the planet. Pulling the trigger in someone else's country and crying about killing civilians at the same time does not get away from the fact that it is someone else's country, and only demonstrates yet again that Israeli violence is about as useful as Palestinian violence i.e. not at all.

the sane voice · Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 2540

Nico wrote: programmusic wrote: and if there stupidity resulted in them being killed it would be blamed on israel. it'd be quite difficult to hit the guy who''s aiming. More or less impossible to hit the guy surrounded by kids.

True. Unfortunately this is the environment Israel have to work with. Gaza is one of the most densly populated places on the planet. Pulling the trigger in someone else's country and crying about killing civilians at the same time does not get away from the fact that it is someone else's country, and only demonstrates yet again that Israeli violence is about as useful as Palestinian violence i.e. not at all.
ok.then what israel should do after terror organization fire on its settlements near the border?

fiction416 · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 620 Location: purgatory

the sane voice wrote:
ok.then what israel should do after terror organization fire on its settlements near the border?

remove the settlements ?

the sane voice · Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 2540

fiction416 wrote: the sane voice wrote:
ok.then what israel should do after terror organization fire on its settlements near the border?

remove the settlements ?
from israel???the settelments are inside israel not gaza!

fiction416 · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 620 Location: purgatory

the sane voice wrote: fiction416 wrote: the sane voice wrote:
ok.then what israel should do after terror organization fire on its settlements near the border?

remove the settlements ?
from israel???the settelments are inside israel not gaza!

West Bank & East J

Those settlements!

Nico · Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Posts: 10594 Location: Auckland

the sane voice wrote: Nico wrote: programmusic wrote: and if there stupidity resulted in them being killed it would be blamed on israel. it'd be quite difficult to hit the guy who''s aiming. More or less impossible to hit the guy surrounded by kids.

True. Unfortunately this is the environment Israel have to work with. Gaza is one of the most densly populated places on the planet. Pulling the trigger in someone else's country and crying about killing civilians at the same time does not get away from the fact that it is someone else's country, and only demonstrates yet again that Israeli violence is about as useful as Palestinian violence i.e. not at all.
ok.then what israel should do after terror organization fire on its settlements near the border?

Strategically? They should allow Palestine to become a state [as if it was ever beholding on one state to allow another to bestow validity], open the airspace, the ports that belong to the people there and cultivate employment there. This is fighting the will.

85% unemployment makes work for idle hands. This is true in a ghetto in the US and true in gaza.

Tactically? Respond in a manner equal to the challenge, not a manner which leaves a much greater proportion of the opposition dead.

There is only one root to all actions there: The control of one people by another. This is not teneble, and never will be. Until that condition is eliminated, hand wringing about the morality of how many kids your tank shell kills when driving it through a city thoroughfare to get those who fired rockets at you.... because you drive your tank through their city thoroughfare, is just going to be ongoing

the sane voice · Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 2540

fiction416 wrote: the sane voice wrote: fiction416 wrote: the sane voice wrote:
ok.then what israel should do after terror organization fire on its settlements near the border?

remove the settlements ?
from israel???the settelments are inside israel not gaza!

West Bank & East J

Those settlements!
great give in to more terror.so its ok not to respond.even after you tried an act of will.only one side can use aggression,only one side must be condamned-israel.

maxr · Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 19 Location: Toronto

Wow those are obviously staged.

Remember the Pallywood video where the guy shoots into the factory or whatever, and they clear the set for him and stuff lmao.

If it isn't staged however, those people are incredibly dumb. If they're gonna stand around during some shooting then its their own fault if they get shot.

the sane voice · Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 2540

Nico wrote: the sane voice wrote: Nico wrote: programmusic wrote: and if there stupidity resulted in them being killed it would be blamed on israel. it'd be quite difficult to hit the guy who''s aiming. More or less impossible to hit the guy surrounded by kids.

True. Unfortunately this is the environment Israel have to work with. Gaza is one of the most densly populated places on the planet. Pulling the trigger in someone else's country and crying about killing civilians at the same time does not get away from the fact that it is someone else's country, and only demonstrates yet again that Israeli violence is about as useful as Palestinian violence i.e. not at all.
ok.then what israel should do after terror organization fire on its settlements near the border?

Strategically? They should allow Palestine to become a state [as if it was ever beholding on one state to allow another to bestow validity], open the airspace, the ports that belong to the people there and cultivate employment there. This is fighting the will.

85% unemployment makes work for idle hands. This is true in a ghetto in the US and true in gaza.

Tactically? Respond in a manner equal to the challenge, not a manner which leaves a much greater proportion of the opposition dead.

There is only one root to all actions there: The control of one people by another. This is not teneble, and never will be. Until that condition is eliminated, hand wringing about the morality of how many kids your tank shell kills when driving it through a city thoroughfare to get those who fired rockets at you.... because you drive your tank through their city thoroughfare, is just going to be ongoing
but israel pulled out of gaza,and still the palestinians use terror-not on idf but on israel civilians-why should it change?why cant the palestinians work out their problems without terror?we did it,cant they?