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[Bolshevik]

In Russia, many beautiful girls were forced into prostitution at a young age. It's a living. That's probably what this enterprizing young woman was trying to accomplish. She was stopped, sadly, in her tracks. I thought America was supposed to be a country of freedom? What kind of country do you live in; where a young girl can't sell herself as a sex item? What a sad, sad age we live in.

[mathurin]

the biggest reason child porn is illegal is because children are not capable of giving consent, no matter how smart you think you are at 15 you will one day grow to realize what an idiot you really were. so, therefore the question is why did she do this, were people on the internet pressuring her into it, i find it highly unlikely that she suddenly woke up out of a vacuum and decided to post nudes on the internet, this probably came from pressures

as for charging her, it is probably just a vehicle to A: get her into some psyche help B: find out who she sent them too and who pressured her C: find out how the entire thing started, was someone molesting her beforehand, could be her parents, and arrest would get her out of there

sure there are plenty of questions
we will never know, as a minor they wont tell us what happened to her

[ieatfood]

You have to realize WHY child porn is illegal.

It is because child porn increases the likelyhood that a predator will rape a child. That has been shown.

Thus, by distributing photos of herself, she is increasing the likelyhood that a child somewhere will be raped/sodomized. That is the reason.

Now she may be only 15 and not be tried as an adult. But what she did was still a crime, as much so as if she had robbed a convenience store.

[antonio62]

ieatfood wrote: You have to realize WHY child porn is illegal.

It is because child porn increases the likelyhood that a predator will rape a child. That has been shown.

Thus, by distributing photos of herself, she is increasing the likelyhood that a child somewhere will be raped/sodomized. That is the reason.

Now she may be only 15 and not be tried as an adult. But what she did was still a crime, as much so as if she had robbed a convenience store.

A lot of psychologists say that watching any kind of porn doesn't make you more likely to do what you saw. A lot would even say they think it lessens the chances.

[BassistVIV]

mathurin wrote: the biggest reason child porn is illegal is because children are not capable of giving consent, no matter how smart you think you are at 15 you will one day grow to realize what an idiot you really were.
But I also know quite a few 18-22 year olds who make the same stupid decisions, and will probably live to regret them by the time they hit 40. Intelligence level is not based on age. Granted, I don't think a 3 year old is smart enough to make a decision like that, but kids are getting more and more sexual at younger ages. I go to high school. Don't think that this girl is the only girl who takes nude pictures of herself and sends them to people.


Quote: so, therefore the question is why did she do this, were people on the internet pressuring her into it, i find it highly unlikely that she suddenly woke up out of a vacuum and decided to post nudes on the internet, this probably came from pressures
Teen exhibitionism.

Quote: as for charging her, it is probably just a vehicle to A: get her into some psyche help B: find out who she sent them too and who pressured her C: find out how the entire thing started, was someone molesting her beforehand, could be her parents, and arrest would get her out of there
I'm not saying you're wrong, but you also have to take into consideration the fact that some people just like showing off for the thrill of it. It doesn't matter how good of a household you come from, kids can still turn out bad no matter how good the parents are.

[BassistVIV]

ieatfood wrote: You have to realize WHY child porn is illegal.

It is because child porn increases the likelyhood that a predator will rape a child. That has been shown.

Thus, by distributing photos of herself, she is increasing the likelyhood that a child somewhere will be raped/sodomized. That is the reason.

Now she may be only 15 and not be tried as an adult. But what she did was still a crime, as much so as if she had robbed a convenience store.

In my experience, it seems like the opposite would be true. Looking at porn provides you with sexual release, therefore making you less horny, and therefore less likely to rape someone. I could be wrong, but that seems to make a little more sense to me.

[Enoch]

What really gets me about this is the double standard that I see when compared to other cases.

Here we have a 15 year-old girl who took nude pictures of herself to send to people. She was arrested.

However, a couple months ago, I was flipping through the channels on TV one afternoon and stumbled upon Oprah. While not normally a fan of her show, I did watch this episode. She had on a 15 year-old boy who had started taking nude pics of himself to send to people. Then, he did private "shows" through a webcam. Then he started accepting gifts and money to a paypal account from people in exchange for acting out their fantasies on the webcam. (Seems a touch like prostitution to me)

Was he arrested? No. In fact, he was consoled as a victim and applauded as a hero for telling people about his experience on national TV.

Does this apparenty double standard seem right to anyone?

[ubikk]

I dunno about this one. I have to think the if the girl is old enough to be engaging in sex, then she should not be charged wtih displaying her personal activities of her own volition. Anyway, highschoool kids do this all the time now. Surely this is not an isolated case.

[ubikk]

Enoch wrote: What really gets me about this is the double standard that I see when compared to other cases.

Here we have a 15 year-old girl who took nude pictures of herself to send to people. She was arrested.

However, a couple months ago, I was flipping through the channels on TV one afternoon and stumbled upon Oprah. While not normally a fan of her show, I did watch this episode. She had on a 15 year-old boy who had started taking nude pics of himself to send to people. Then, he did private "shows" through a webcam. Then he started accepting gifts and money to a paypal account from people in exchange for acting out their fantasies on the webcam. (Seems a touch like prostitution to me)

Was he arrested? No. In fact, he was consoled as a victim and applauded as a hero for telling people about his experience on national TV.

Does this apparenty double standard seem right to anyone?

Boys are allowed to do that kind of thing. Girls are not.

[Silkheat]

You know in the context of this thread I pose this to you;

Any underage person who sees themselves naked is actively involved in child pornography. Furthermore any person who is underage and having sex is involved in child pornography, and rape. Also the people who take care of their children by changing diapers see their babies naked, which is child pornography. We should arrest every child who has seen themselves naked, and also arrest the vilain parents who have seen their babies naked.

Pathetic, adults are children in so many ways.....

[The Grandmaster]

BassistVIV wrote: ieatfood wrote: You have to realize WHY child porn is illegal.

It is because child porn increases the likelyhood that a predator will rape a child. That has been shown.

Thus, by distributing photos of herself, she is increasing the likelyhood that a child somewhere will be raped/sodomized. That is the reason.

Now she may be only 15 and not be tried as an adult. But what she did was still a crime, as much so as if she had robbed a convenience store.

In my experience, it seems like the opposite would be true. Looking at porn provides you with sexual release, therefore making you less horny, and therefore less likely to rape someone. I could be wrong, but that seems to make a little more sense to me.

I agree with this completely.

Silkheat wrote: You know in the context of this thread I pose this to you;

Any underage person who sees themselves naked is actively involved in child pornography. Furthermore any person who is underage and having sex is involved in child pornography, and rape. Also the people who take care of their children by changing diapers see their babies naked, which is child pornography. We should arrest every child who has seen themselves naked, and also arrest the vilain parents who have seen their babies naked.

Pathetic, adults are children in so many ways.....

Yes, I also agree with this. It is satire, but the points are very valid.

I believe in general we are so prosucutory in nature that we love to see people thrown in jail, and their lives destroyed. I don’t know how it got this way.

[foadi]

Silkheat wrote: You know in the context of this thread I pose this to you;

Any underage person who sees themselves naked is actively involved in child pornography. Furthermore any person who is underage and having sex is involved in child pornography, and rape. Also the people who take care of their children by changing diapers see their babies naked, which is child pornography. We should arrest every child who has seen themselves naked, and also arrest the vilain parents who have seen their babies naked.

Pathetic, adults are children in so many ways.....
we are living in a sexual dark age.

[Enoch]

Silkheat wrote: You know in the context of this thread I pose this to you;

Any underage person who sees themselves naked is actively involved in child pornography. Furthermore any person who is underage and having sex is involved in child pornography, and rape. Also the people who take care of their children by changing diapers see their babies naked, which is child pornography. We should arrest every child who has seen themselves naked, and also arrest the vilain parents who have seen their babies naked.

Pathetic, adults are children in so many ways..... Man...then I should definately be in jail if that is the case. When I was 21 I had a 15 year-old brother of a friend who got incredibly sick one night, and I had to take care of him. He threw up all over himself, and I helped him undress, helped him in and out of the bathtub so he could clean up, and then dressed him again before getting him to bed. Guess I'm a child pornographer then.

[foadi]

Protostar wrote: I think instead of wasting time taking her to court and sending her to a correctional facility, they should just put a pic of her on TV and in the newspaper saying if you have this girl's photos/videos on your HD delete them as she is under age and basically let her go and allow the people who have the pics/vids to delete them. No harm done. Plus I think the humilation of having her face plastered all over TV/newspaper will deter her from doing it again as well as any other would be exhibitionists.
So you think it should be illegal for her to post naked pictures on the internet?

[thundertaker]

Sooooo....


A 15 year old girl is charged with sexual abuse and child pornography for taking nude pictures of herself and posting them on the internet. Seems fair enough....

Now let's take this to the next logical conclusion, and arrest every single teenage boy in the world for child molestation and sexual assault of a minor........

[Green]

foadi wrote: Silkheat wrote: You know in the context of this thread I pose this to you;

Any underage person who sees themselves naked is actively involved in child pornography. Furthermore any person who is underage and having sex is involved in child pornography, and rape. Also the people who take care of their children by changing diapers see their babies naked, which is child pornography. We should arrest every child who has seen themselves naked, and also arrest the vilain parents who have seen their babies naked.

Pathetic, adults are children in so many ways.....
we are living in a sexual dark age.

The sexual dark age was when women were forced into marrage.

[Protostar]

foadi wrote: Protostar wrote: I think instead of wasting time taking her to court and sending her to a correctional facility, they should just put a pic of her on TV and in the newspaper saying if you have this girl's photos/videos on your HD delete them as she is under age and basically let her go and allow the people who have the pics/vids to delete them. No harm done. Plus I think the humilation of having her face plastered all over TV/newspaper will deter her from doing it again as well as any other would be exhibitionists.
So you think it should be illegal for her to post naked pictures on the internet?

No, not at all. I was simply offering an alternative other than wasting the courts time and a correctional facility spot which in the end will have to be paid by us. I really don't think what she did was wrong. If she wants to do that and take on all the risks associated with it, it should be her choice.

[spearsy23]

thundertaker wrote: Sooooo....


A 15 year old girl is charged with sexual abuse and child pornography for taking nude pictures of herself and posting them on the internet. Seems fair enough....

Now let's take this to the next logical conclusion, and arrest every single teenage boy in the world for child molestation and sexual assault of a minor........
Wait girls don't masturbate.... :think:

[foadi]

Green wrote: The sexual dark age was when women were forced into marrage. This still happens today.

[ubikk]

ieatfood wrote: You have to realize WHY child porn is illegal.
It is because child porn increases the likelyhood that a predator will rape a child. That has been shown.
Thus, by distributing photos of herself, she is increasing the likelyhood that a child somewhere will be raped/sodomized. That is the reason.
Now she may be only 15 and not be tried as an adult. But what she did was still a crime, as much so as if she had robbed a convenience store.

So you think she should she be held responsible for some pervert's actions? I suppose if she went out dressed in sexy clothes and got raped, you would argue that she "asked for it" ??

I kinda have to disagree here. If an adult had forced a child to pose for pictures, then definitely I say lock him up and throw away the key. But in this case, I don't see that she should be punished.