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[Nathyn]

While many not be aware of this, but aside from their gun-waving, suicide-bombing antics, Hamas has been engaged in substantial charity work throughout the entire Middle East. This was one major factor in their landslide victory in the Palestinian elections.

In fact, Islam is distinct from many religions in that charity is obligatory. For Jews, charity is the primary means of atoning for one's sins, so fees for synagogue's services are quite substantial and devout Jews will often regularly give quite a bit to charity, though it isn't mandatory unless one's rather sinful and needs to atone. For Christians, views on charity differ, while recognizing it as good, some (such as Catholics) advocate tithes, while the majority of self-professed Christians do not support obligatory charity or even give to charity at all. Whereas, in Islam, though there is no set amount, as in Catholicism's 10%, but charity is still considered obligatory for all people. In its support for the abolishment of poverty through obligatory charity, opposition to unjust free trade, and opposition to usury, Islam is Socialist, by nature.

Obligatory charity ("Zakat") is in fact one of the five pillars of Islam. Terrorism, however, is not. Zakat is also specified to be used for the abolishment of poverty, not for terrorism or any other causes.

Here is a list of quotes from the Koran involving zakat. Often, zakat is translated as poor-rate, pur-due, alms, etc, but it literally means obligatory charity for eliminating poverty.

Quote: [2.43] And keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and bow down with those who bow down.

[2.110] And keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and whatever good you send before for yourselves, you shall find it with Allah; surely Allah sees what you do.

[2.177] It is not righteousness that you turn your faces towards the East and the West, but righteousness is this that one should believe in Allah and the last day and the angels and the Book and the prophets, and give away wealth out of love for Him to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and the beggars and for (the emancipation of) the captives, and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate; and the performers of their promise when they make a promise, and the patient in distress and affliction and in time of conflicts-- these are they who are {rue (to themselves) and these are they who guard (against evil).

[2.277] Surely they who believe and do good deeds and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate they shall have their reward from their Lord, and they shall have no fear, nor shall they grieve.

[4.77] Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold your hands, and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate; but when fighting is prescribed for them, lo! a party of them fear men as they ought to have feared Allah, or (even) with a greater fear, and say: Our Lord! why hast Thou ordained fighting for us? Wherefore didst Thou not grant us a delay to a near end? Say: The provision of this world is short, and the hereafter is better for him who guards (against evil); and you shall not be wronged the husk of a date stone.

[4.162] But the firm in knowledge among them and the believers believe in what has been revealed to. you and what was revealed before you, and those who keep up prayers and those who give the poor-rate and the believers in Allah and the last day, these it is whom We will give a mighty reward.

[5.12] And certainly Allah made a covenant with the children of Israel, and We raised up among them twelve chieftains; and Allah said: Surely I am with you; if you keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and believe in My apostles and asslst them and offer to Allah a goodly gift, I will most certainly cover your evil deeds, and I will most certainly cause you to enter into gardens beneath which rivers flow, but whoever disbelieves from among you after that, he indeed shall lose the right way.

[5.55] Only Allah is your Vali and His Apostle and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow.

[7.156] And ordain for us good in this world's life and m the hereafter, for surely we turn to Thee. He said: (As for) My chastisement, I will afflict with it whom I please, and My mercy encompasses all things; so I will ordain it (specially) for those who guard (against evil) and pay the poor-rate, and those who believe in Our communications.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[9.11] But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.

[9.18] Only he shall visit the mosques of Allah who believes in Allah and the latter day, and keeps up prayer and pays the poor-rate and fears none but Allah; so (as for) these, it may be that they are of the followers of the right course.

[9.71] And (as for) the believing men and the believing women, they are guardians of each other; they enjoin good and forbid evil and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Apostle; (as for) these, Allah will show mercy to them; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.

[14.31] Say to My servants who believe that they should keep up prayer and spend out of what We have given them secretly and openly before the coming of the day in which there shall be no bartering nor mutual befriending.

[19.31] And He has made me blessed wherever I may be, and He has enjoined on me prayer and poor-rate so long as I live;

[22.41] Those who, should We establish them in the land, will keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and enjoin good and forbid evil; and Allah's is the end of affairs.

[22.78] And strive hard in (the way of) Allah, (such) a striving a is due to Him; He has chosen you and has not laid upon you an hardship in religion; the faith of your father Ibrahim; He named you Muslims before and in this, that the Apostle may be a bearer of witness to you, and you may be bearers of witness to the people; therefore keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and hold fast by Allah; He is your Guardian; how excellent the Guardian and how excellent the Helper!

[23.1-4] Successful indeed are the believers, Who are humble in their prayers, And who keep aloof from what is vain, And who are givers of poor-rate.

[24.37] Men whom neither merchandise nor selling diverts from the remembrance of Allah and the keeping up of prayer and the giving of poor-rate; they fear a day in which the hearts and eyes shall turn about;

[24.56] And keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and obey the Apostle, so that mercy may be shown to you.

[27.3] Who keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, and of the hereafter, they are sure.

[31.4] Those who keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and they are certain of the hereafter.

[33.33] And stay in your houses and do not display your finery like the displaying of the ignorance of yore; and keep up prayer, and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Apostle. Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying.

[41.7] (To) those who do not give poor-rate and they are unbelievers in the hereafter.

[58.13] Do you fear that you will not (be able to) give in charity before your consultation? So when you do not do it and Allah has turned to you (mercifully), then keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and obey Allah and His Apostle; and Allah is Aware of what you do.

[73.20] Surely your Lord knows that you pass in prayer nearly two-thirds of the night, and (sometimes) half of it, and (sometimes) a third of it, and (also) a party of those with you; and Allah measures the night and the day. He knows that you are not able to do it, so He has turned to you (mercifully), therefore read what is easy of the Quran. He knows that there must be among you sick, and others who travel in the land seeking of the bounty of Allah, and others who fight in Allah's way, therefore read as much of it as is easy (to you), and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and offer to Allah a goodly gift, and whatever of good you send on beforehand for yourselves, you will find it with Allah; that is best and greatest in reward; and ask forgiveness of Allah; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[98.5] And they were not enjoined anything except that they should serve Allah, being sincere to Him in obedience, upright, and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, and that is the right religion.

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Charity is an extremely important tenet of Islam.

[DavidXV]

Quote: while the majority of self-professed Christians do not support obligatory charity or even give to charity at all.

Have to red flag this one, they probably don't because they fall into the catagory of people and maybe people don't, yet you have no way of knowing if they do or don't or how many. The Bible tells you not to boast and to many people Christian and non-Christian, their charitable giving is a private matter they did not discuss with you or others.

I don't know, but if it is obligatory shouldn't it be called someing else besides charity? ...because charity means giving or a gift.

charity
One entry found for charity.
Main Entry: char·i·ty
Pronunciation: 'cher-&-tE, 'cha-r&-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
Etymology: Middle English charite, from Anglo-French charité, from Late Latin caritat-, caritas Christian love, from Latin, dearness, from carus dear; akin to Old Irish carae friend, Sanskrit kAma love
1 : benevolent goodwill toward or love of humanity
2 a : generosity and helpfulness especially toward the needy or suffering; also : aid given to those in need b : an institution engaged in relief of the poor c : public provision for the relief of the needy
3 a : a gift for public benevolent purposes b : an institution (as a hospital) founded by such a gift
4 : lenient judgment of others
synonym see MERCY

[TomStall]

Quote: While many not be aware of this, but aside from their gun-waving, suicide-bombing antics, Hamas has been engaged in substantial charity work throughout the entire Middle East. This was one major factor in their landslide victory in the Palestinian elections.

Jihad is total war. It is fought on many levels by any means necessary, that includes doing charity work.


Quote: In fact, Islam is distinct from many religions in that charity is obligatory. For Jews, charity is the primary means of atoning for one's sins, so fees for synagogue's services are quite substantial and devout Jews will often regularly give quite a bit to charity, though it isn't mandatory unless one's rather sinful and needs to atone. For Christians, views on charity differ, while recognizing it as good, some (such as Catholics) advocate tithes, while the majority of self-professed Christians do not support obligatory charity or even give to charity at all. Whereas, in Islam, though there is no set amount, as in Catholicism's 10%, but charity is still considered obligatory for all people. In its support for the abolishment of poverty through obligatory charity, opposition to unjust free trade, and opposition to usury, Islam is Socialist, by nature.

Islam is distinct because all behavior of a good Muslim is mandatory. Islam crows about about how it is a total way of live, with detailed instructs on how a good Muslim behaves; how to drink water; how to wipe ones #####. Your comparison of Islam to other belief system, in this case, is kitman, a form of deception.

Quote: Obligatory charity ("Zakat") is in fact one of the five pillars of Islam. Terrorism, however, is not. Zakat is also specified to be used for the abolishment of poverty, not for terrorism or any other causes.


It is true charity is one of the five pillars. It is also true the unstated six pillar (jihad) is also mandatory. You appear to be practiced in the art of kitman.


Quote: Here is a list of quotes from the Koran involving zakat. Often, zakat is translated as poor-rate, pur-due, alms, etc, but it literally means obligatory charity for eliminating poverty.


So what?

[Tono]

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[Nathyn]

TomStall wrote: Quote: While many not be aware of this, but aside from their gun-waving, suicide-bombing antics, Hamas has been engaged in substantial charity work throughout the entire Middle East. This was one major factor in their landslide victory in the Palestinian elections.

Jihad is total war. It is fought on many levels by any means necessary, that includes doing charity work.
The Koran says murdering one innocent person is as bad as murdering the entire human race. Though many Muslims support the fight against Israel out of perceived oppression, mainstream Muslims do not advocate terrorism and the Koran says that the most important ji'had is with one's self.

TomStall wrote: Quote: In fact, Islam is distinct from many religions in that charity is obligatory. For Jews, charity is the primary means of atoning for one's sins, so fees for synagogue's services are quite substantial and devout Jews will often regularly give quite a bit to charity, though it isn't mandatory unless one's rather sinful and needs to atone. For Christians, views on charity differ, while recognizing it as good, some (such as Catholics) advocate tithes, while the majority of self-professed Christians do not support obligatory charity or even give to charity at all. Whereas, in Islam, though there is no set amount, as in Catholicism's 10%, but charity is still considered obligatory for all people. In its support for the abolishment of poverty through obligatory charity, opposition to unjust free trade, and opposition to usury, Islam is Socialist, by nature.

Islam is distinct because all behavior of a good Muslim is mandatory. Islam crows about about how it is a total way of live, with detailed instructs on how a good Muslim behaves; how to drink water; how to wipe ones #####. Your comparison of Islam to other belief system, in this case, is kitman, a form of deception.
In that respect, it's similar to Judaism. An extremely devout Jew has a whole list of specific Hebrew blessings they're supposed to say during various events, and they're supposed to say 100 a day. I even once read that there's a specific blessing for going to the bathroom. Granted, among Jews today, they're relatively unobservant and even if they're observant, they aren't that observant. However, there is no doubt whatsoever that hasidic Jews are just as regimented about following the 617 mitzvot ("commandments") as any Muslim is about following the commandments laid out in the Koran.

TomStall wrote: Quote: Obligatory charity ("Zakat") is in fact one of the five pillars of Islam. Terrorism, however, is not. Zakat is also specified to be used for the abolishment of poverty, not for terrorism or any other causes.
It is true charity is one of the five pillars. It is also true the unstated six pillar (jihad) is also mandatory. You appear to be practiced in the art of kitman.
I'm an atheist, actually.

Also, regarding kitman, I think it would be best to hear what Muslims say regarding kitman.

I could also pull a whole host of quotes from the Talmud, regarding claims that Jews are supposed to be deceptive around goys. But then I'd just be misinterpreting Jewish theology the same way you are misinterpreting Islam.

[TomStall]

Quote: Obligatory charity ("Zakat") is in fact one of the five pillars of Islam. Terrorism, however, is not. Zakat is also specified to be used for the abolishment of poverty, not for terrorism or any other causes.

Here is a list of quotes from the Koran involving zakat. Often, zakat is translated as poor-rate, pur-due, alms, etc, but it literally means obligatory charity for eliminating poverty.





Allah makes the rules in Islam and they are clear. In a time of Jihad it is fard for Muslims to fund the struggle.

So why then do you find so many Muslims giving to charity but hardly any giving to jihad. There are three reasons all down to ignorance perpetrated by ignorant teachers of Islam failing to inform the public.

http://www.mpacuk.org/content/view/2063/34/

[mojo]

Charity they spend with the world's money rather than there own.

[TomStall]

Quote: The Koran says murdering one innocent person is as bad as murdering the entire human race. Though many Muslims support the fight against Israel out of perceived oppression, mainstream Muslims do not advocate terrorism and the Koran says that the most important ji'had is with one's self.
In that respect, it's similar to Judaism. An extremely devout Jew has a whole list of specific Hebrew blessings they're supposed to say during various events, and they're supposed to say 100 a day. I even once read that there's a specific blessing for going to the bathroom. Granted, among Jews today, they're relatively unobservant and even if they're observant, they aren't that observant. However, there is no doubt whatsoever that hasidic Jews are just as regimented about following the 617 mitzvot ("commandments") as any Muslim is about following the commandments laid out in the Koran.
I'm an atheist, actually.

Your an atheist, you are also woefully ignorant on the subject of Islam. An innocent person is a believer, a member of the cult; all others are fair game. Non-believers are suppose to have certain rights, that Islam generously grants, but the bottom line is non-believers are not innocent. They have received the message and have rejected it, they are fair game.

The Greater Jihad is deception, a bandaid for the ignorant and naive, like you. The Lesser Jihad holds it is the true meaning of Jihad. The two types of Jihad and example of taqiyya and kitman. Mainstream Muslim do not advocate Jihad? Where is your evidence? Why aren't those many Muslims and imans bringing there errant brothers back from the dark side? Ignorant and willfully so; spouting off to prove your ignorance.

Quote: Also, regarding kitman, I think it would be best to hear what Muslims say regarding kitman. - http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satelli.../AskAboutIslamE

I am well versed in the meaning of taqyiyya and kitman. No need for me to refer to some Islamic site.

Excuse me Mr. Fox do you eat chickens? The fox answers, "Well of course not! foxes eat field mice and squirrels, never chickens as he pulled a feather out of his mouth."

Quote: I could also pull a whole host of quotes from the Talmud, regarding claims that Jews are supposed to be deceptive around goys. But then I'd just be misinterpreting Jewish theology the same way you are misinterpreting Islam.

You could probably pull a cell phone out of your rectum, too. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China or the true teachings and practice of Islam. Logic Fallacy!

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In Judaism charity isn't to atone for one's sins. Nor is it mandatory. It is one of the highest mitzvas(good deeds) one can do though.

[lowchen]

mojo wrote: Charity they spend with the world's money rather than there own.

are we talking about the jews again?? stay on topic. this thread is about Muslims.....................................

[Saracen]

TomStall wrote: The Greater Jihad is deception, a bandaid for the ignorant and naive, like you. The Lesser Jihad holds it is the true meaning of Jihad. The two types of Jihad and example of taqiyya and kitman. Mainstream Muslim do not advocate Jihad? Where is your evidence? Why aren't those many Muslims and imans bringing there errant brothers back from the dark side? Ignorant and willfully so; spouting off to prove your ignorance.

The bigger ignorance is that you fail to see the reasons for why they do it. Instead of taking a look at the political climate that created them, you instead insult what they believe in, and how THEY interpret it. Instead of insulting the man, come up with something more intelligent like this. But then again, you believe that all Muslims are liars and what they say about their religion is a pack of lies... taqiyya? I don't even recognize it.