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[Venom]

Skinn
Your missing the whole point of Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations like it. They want to kill all of Israel because they are JEWS. Of course by your words Israel should just give them whatever they want right? Hey you why not hand over the capital just to make sure Hezbollah wont want that too right? The solution is very easy, it's a three letter word called "war".
Also you would care when Iran and Syria came underseige and your precious Hezbollah lost it's support. Just because you have a attitude of a person with zero backbone doesn't mean you should expect Israel to follow that way of thinking. I guess if some guy that lives in your area wants just a couple of bucks from you its a lot easier to just give it to him than have any sort of confrontation right? Keep being bullied and pretty soon you won't have any money to give.

[skinn]

Venom wrote: Skinn
Your missing the whole point of Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations like it. They want to kill all of Israel because they are JEWS. Of course by your words Israel should just give them whatever they want right? Hey you why not hand over the capital just to make sure Hezbollah wont want that too right? The solution is very easy, it's a three letter word called "war".
Also you would care when Iran and Syria came underseige and your precious Hezbollah lost it's support. Just because you have a attitude of a person with zero backbone doesn't mean you should expect Israel to follow that way of thinking. I guess if some guy that lives in your area wants just a couple of bucks from you its a lot easier to just give it to him than have any sort of confrontation right? Keep being bullied and pretty soon you won't have any money to give.

i talked about rightful claims (detainees and shebaa farms)

[the sane voice]

skinn wrote: Venom wrote: Skinn
Your missing the whole point of Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations like it. They want to kill all of Israel because they are JEWS. Of course by your words Israel should just give them whatever they want right? Hey you why not hand over the capital just to make sure Hezbollah wont want that too right? The solution is very easy, it's a three letter word called "war".
Also you would care when Iran and Syria came underseige and your precious Hezbollah lost it's support. Just because you have a attitude of a person with zero backbone doesn't mean you should expect Israel to follow that way of thinking. I guess if some guy that lives in your area wants just a couple of bucks from you its a lot easier to just give it to him than have any sort of confrontation right? Keep being bullied and pretty soon you won't have any money to give.

i talked about rightful claims (detainees and shebaa farms)
you are still missing the point of the conflict.
there is a thread here with a movie about anti-semitism in the muslim world-watch it.

[skinn]

the sane voice wrote: skinn wrote: Venom wrote: Skinn
Your missing the whole point of Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations like it. They want to kill all of Israel because they are JEWS. Of course by your words Israel should just give them whatever they want right? Hey you why not hand over the capital just to make sure Hezbollah wont want that too right? The solution is very easy, it's a three letter word called "war".
Also you would care when Iran and Syria came underseige and your precious Hezbollah lost it's support. Just because you have a attitude of a person with zero backbone doesn't mean you should expect Israel to follow that way of thinking. I guess if some guy that lives in your area wants just a couple of bucks from you its a lot easier to just give it to him than have any sort of confrontation right? Keep being bullied and pretty soon you won't have any money to give.

i talked about rightful claims (detainees and shebaa farms)
you are still missing the point of the conflict.
there is a thread here with a movie about anti-semitism in the muslim world-watch it.

i have a very slow connection, but i bieleve u, this is one of the consequences.

[the sane voice]

skinn wrote: the sane voice wrote: skinn wrote: Venom wrote: Skinn
Your missing the whole point of Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations like it. They want to kill all of Israel because they are JEWS. Of course by your words Israel should just give them whatever they want right? Hey you why not hand over the capital just to make sure Hezbollah wont want that too right? The solution is very easy, it's a three letter word called "war".
Also you would care when Iran and Syria came underseige and your precious Hezbollah lost it's support. Just because you have a attitude of a person with zero backbone doesn't mean you should expect Israel to follow that way of thinking. I guess if some guy that lives in your area wants just a couple of bucks from you its a lot easier to just give it to him than have any sort of confrontation right? Keep being bullied and pretty soon you won't have any money to give.

i talked about rightful claims (detainees and shebaa farms)
you are still missing the point of the conflict.
there is a thread here with a movie about anti-semitism in the muslim world-watch it.

i have a very slow connection, but i bieleve u, this is one of the consequences.
this is also one of the consequences?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husayni
if i murder someone is it allright to murder my son in the future?
is this the basis for those so called consequences?

[superskippy]

Quote: i am telling u i saw a footage, a camera filmed the operation.

I'am telling you that not a single report supports your claim and you have not produced this video. The IDF has already begun the process of inspecting the minefield there and to make corrections to it where required.

I find it odd that this is what you respond to, a desperate attempt to give Hezbollah credit for an attack, not their actions in regard to executions of captured soldiers.

[Plato & Socrates]

Venom wrote: Skinn
Your missing the whole point of Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations like it. They want to kill all of Israel because they are JEWS. Of course by your words Israel should just give them whatever they want right? Hey you why not hand over the capital just to make sure Hezbollah wont want that too right? The solution is very easy, it's a three letter word called "war".
Also you would care when Iran and Syria came underseige and your precious Hezbollah lost it's support. Just because you have a attitude of a person with zero backbone doesn't mean you should expect Israel to follow that way of thinking. I guess if some guy that lives in your area wants just a couple of bucks from you its a lot easier to just give it to him than have any sort of confrontation right? Keep being bullied and pretty soon you won't have any money to give.

This mantra of every single Arab and every single terrorist organisation, wants every Jew dead, is the epitome of intellectual laziness. Why don't I say "with the ratio of Palestinians dying, and the rate of Israeli controlled, and it is Israeli controlled, demographic change in the West Bank" The Jews are pushing all the Palestinians out of Palestine and want to keep it all for themselves. Who on the pro-Palestinian side says that? We know that Israels motives and actions in the occupied territorys are extremely complicated. We understand the issues are not just black & white. Please use more convincing argument, than they all hate us because we are Jews. :roll:

[the sane voice]

Plato & Socrates wrote: Venom wrote: Skinn
Your missing the whole point of Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations like it. They want to kill all of Israel because they are JEWS. Of course by your words Israel should just give them whatever they want right? Hey you why not hand over the capital just to make sure Hezbollah wont want that too right? The solution is very easy, it's a three letter word called "war".
Also you would care when Iran and Syria came underseige and your precious Hezbollah lost it's support. Just because you have a attitude of a person with zero backbone doesn't mean you should expect Israel to follow that way of thinking. I guess if some guy that lives in your area wants just a couple of bucks from you its a lot easier to just give it to him than have any sort of confrontation right? Keep being bullied and pretty soon you won't have any money to give.

This mantra of every single Arab and every single terrorist organisation, wants every Jew dead, is the epitome of intellectual laziness. Why don't I say "with the ratio of Palestinians dying, and the rate of Israeli controlled, and it is Israeli controlled, demographic change in the West Bank" The Jews are pushing all the Palestinians out of Palestine and want to keep it all for themselves. Who on the pro-Palestinian side says that? We know that Israels motives and actions in the occupied territorys are extremely complicated. We understand the issues are not just black & white. Please use more convincing argument, than they all hate us because we are Jews. :roll:
its sad.people are saying so many times they want to kill jews that people all over the world are so accustom to that they stop believing it.where were this last 6 years?

[Saracen]

the sane voice wrote: read my signature-then you will understand what is the real cause to this war.

Do you really understand Islamic theology to begin with? The sad thing with this hadith is that it's often taken out of context. This is just a prophecy that the state of Israel will be destroyed. It doesn't mean that all Jews will die. First, Jews and Christians both have favorable positions according to Islam. Second, if you seriously want to see want to see what the Last Days (End of Times) are according to Islam, go here. As you can see, it does not speak of Jews because they are Jews, but speaks of how Muslims will bring the downfall of Zionism and Israel, as Israel was prophesised in the Koran.

Note: to my Jewish friends here on this forum, this does not make Islam an anti-Semitic religion. A prophecy that calls for the end of Israel doesn't necessarily mean the end of Jews. This is how it appears in Islam. But that's the distant future. Now, I'm sticking to treating Jews the Islamic way: treat them like everyone else, as human beings. Better yet, take a look at this fatwa:

IslamOnline wrote: It is proven (in the Prophetic Sunnah) that when the leader of Muslims, the Mahdi, comes to lead them in praying Fajr, `Isa Ibn Maryam (Jesus son of Mary) will come down to them, and the imam will step back so that `Isa can come forward and lead the prayer, but `Isa will put his hand on his back and say, “Go forward and lead the prayer, for the iqamah was given for you.” So their imam will lead them in prayer, and when he has finished, then `Isa will head towards the Dajjal, with whom will be seventy thousand Jews. When the Dajjal looks at him, he will melt like salt in water, and the Messiah `Isa (peace be upon him) will catch up with him at the gate of Lud (which is a town near Jerusalem) and kill him. Then Allah will cause the defeat of the Jews, and there will be nothing that Allah has created that a Jew hides behind, but Allah will cause that thing to speak. Rocks, trees, walls and animals will all say, “O Muslim, O slave of Allah, here is a Jew, come and kill him!” — except for the box-thorn tree (al-gharqad), for it is one of their trees and will not speak.

The Jews mentioned in this Hadith are obviously the 70,000 Jews who will fight alongside Dajjal (anti-Christ), but then again, that's just prophecy.

[the sane voice]

Saracen wrote:

Do you really understand Islamic theology to begin with? The sad thing with this hadith is that it's often taken out of context. This is just a prophecy that the state of Israel will be destroyed. It doesn't mean that all Jews will die. First, Jews and Christians both have favorable positions according to Islam. Second, if you seriously want to see want to see what the Last Days (End of Times) are according to Islam, go here. As you can see, it does not speak of Jews because they are Jews, but speaks of how Muslims will bring the downfall of Zionism and Israel, as Israel was prophesised in the Koran.

Note: to my Jewish friends here on this forum, this does not make Islam an anti-Semitic religion. A prophecy that calls for the end of Israel doesn't necessarily mean the end of Jews. This is how it appears in Islam. But that's the distant future. Now, I'm sticking to treating Jews the Islamic way: treat them like everyone else, as human beings. Better yet, take a look at this fatwa:



no seriously,are you for real?does it really matter?
i just love it when there is something against jews in islam its out of context,but when It doesnt its all clear and nice.

[Plato & Socrates]

the sane voice wrote: Plato & Socrates wrote: Venom wrote: Skinn
Your missing the whole point of Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations like it. They want to kill all of Israel because they are JEWS. Of course by your words Israel should just give them whatever they want right? Hey you why not hand over the capital just to make sure Hezbollah wont want that too right? The solution is very easy, it's a three letter word called "war".
Also you would care when Iran and Syria came underseige and your precious Hezbollah lost it's support. Just because you have a attitude of a person with zero backbone doesn't mean you should expect Israel to follow that way of thinking. I guess if some guy that lives in your area wants just a couple of bucks from you its a lot easier to just give it to him than have any sort of confrontation right? Keep being bullied and pretty soon you won't have any money to give.

This mantra of every single Arab and every single terrorist organisation, wants every Jew dead, is the epitome of intellectual laziness. Why don't I say "with the ratio of Palestinians dying, and the rate of Israeli controlled, and it is Israeli controlled, demographic change in the West Bank" The Jews are pushing all the Palestinians out of Palestine and want to keep it all for themselves. Who on the pro-Palestinian side says that? We know that Israels motives and actions in the occupied territorys are extremely complicated. We understand the issues are not just black & white. Please use more convincing argument, than they all hate us because we are Jews. :roll:
its sad.people are saying so many times they want to kill jews that people all over the world are so accustom to that they stop believing it.where were this last 6 years?

The Jewish state of Israel has been butchering and killing Palestinians post 1967 at the rate of 3 to 1.
I could make a convincing argument, that Jewish people like to kill Palestinians. But for me to make that claim. I would have to ignore so many other factors, that my claim to any sensible person would be a sham.
Can you give me one reason, why a Arab would genuinely dislike the Jewish state of Israel? Maybe if the Jewish community stopped crying wolf "anti-semitism" It would be more easily recognisable.

[fiction416]

the sane voice wrote: Saracen wrote:

Do you really understand Islamic theology to begin with? The sad thing with this hadith is that it's often taken out of context. This is just a prophecy that the state of Israel will be destroyed. It doesn't mean that all Jews will die. First, Jews and Christians both have favorable positions according to Islam. Second, if you seriously want to see want to see what the Last Days (End of Times) are according to Islam, go here. As you can see, it does not speak of Jews because they are Jews, but speaks of how Muslims will bring the downfall of Zionism and Israel, as Israel was prophesised in the Koran.

Note: to my Jewish friends here on this forum, this does not make Islam an anti-Semitic religion. A prophecy that calls for the end of Israel doesn't necessarily mean the end of Jews. This is how it appears in Islam. But that's the distant future. Now, I'm sticking to treating Jews the Islamic way: treat them like everyone else, as human beings. Better yet, take a look at this fatwa:



no seriously,are you for real?does it really matter?
i just love it when there is something against jews in islam its out of context,but when It doesnt its all clear and nice.


Israel = Country / State

Jews = Religion

Just because someone says htey would like so see Israel destroyed, does not mean they are making an Anti-semetic statement. There is nothing discriminatory towards Jews, in condemning Israel.

[Saracen]

the sane voice wrote: no seriously,are you for real?does it really matter?

Nothing in this world is clear. I used to think that many Zionists are anti-Islamic. I was proved wrong when I met people on this forum (superskippy, JCool333, Yoadm?).

Quote: i just love it when there is something against jews in islam its out of context,but when It doesnt its all clear and nice.

Yes. There's always the problem of context. You have to understand that. Now, tell me: I see a lot of equally vitriolic verses in the Torah and Talmud, but I don't judge at first sight because I know there is a context behind all this. See what I mean?

[the sane voice]

fiction416 wrote: the sane voice wrote: Saracen wrote:

Do you really understand Islamic theology to begin with? The sad thing with this hadith is that it's often taken out of context. This is just a prophecy that the state of Israel will be destroyed. It doesn't mean that all Jews will die. First, Jews and Christians both have favorable positions according to Islam. Second, if you seriously want to see want to see what the Last Days (End of Times) are according to Islam, go here. As you can see, it does not speak of Jews because they are Jews, but speaks of how Muslims will bring the downfall of Zionism and Israel, as Israel was prophesised in the Koran.

Note: to my Jewish friends here on this forum, this does not make Islam an anti-Semitic religion. A prophecy that calls for the end of Israel doesn't necessarily mean the end of Jews. This is how it appears in Islam. But that's the distant future. Now, I'm sticking to treating Jews the Islamic way: treat them like everyone else, as human beings. Better yet, take a look at this fatwa:



no seriously,are you for real?does it really matter?
i just love it when there is something against jews in islam its out of context,but when It doesnt its all clear and nice.


Israel = Country / State

Jews = Religion

Just because someone says htey would like so see Israel destroyed, does not mean they are making an Anti-semetic statement. There is nothing discriminatory towards Jews, in condemning Israel.
how come its say-muslim there is a jew,kill him? :roll:
and all despise them?

[the sane voice]

Saracen wrote:
Nothing in this world is clear. I used to think that many Zionists are anti-Islamic. I was proved wrong when I met people on this forum (superskippy, JCool333, Yoadm?).
im not anti islamic.im anti those who wants to kill me.

Quote:
Yes. There's always the problem of context. You have to understand that. Now, tell me: I see a lot of equally vitriolic verses in the Torah and Talmud, but I don't judge at first sight because I know there is a context behind all this. See what I mean?
who told you i judged from the 1st sight?dont assume what you do not know.

[Saracen]

the sane voice wrote: how come its say-muslim there is a jew,kill him?

It's not talking about ALL Jews. It's talking about the Zionists who stood with the anti-Christ. Therefore, as warriors, they must be fought against.

Quote: and all despise them?

Not all Muslims hate Jews. Their hate for Jews, just like Western hate for Muslims, comes from ignorance. I don't hate Jews. I am anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic.

Also, Islamically, it's wrong to say that Jews are "apes and pigs". They are human beings, just like us, and saying that would go against Islam.

[nrhy]

Quote: srael and the United States suck? Funny coming from a person whom claims to live in Lebanon. You’re applauding an article that plainly states that Hezbollah is part of the Lebanese government. So basically your country is just a tool for Syria and Iran? I'm not sure if I would applaud that if I was in your position. According to this Israel should just declare war on Lebanon since Hezbollah is part of the government. I am curious though; since you are so anti Israel did you put your money where your mouth was and fight them when they came into your country? The only reason a war would be "unwinnable" to Israel is due to the fact that they hold themselves to a moral standard compared to your countries military arms. Yes Hezbollah is part of your military arm due to the fact they are infused with your government and more importantly you all have no intention of removing the cancer.

If it comes from a person living in lebanon, he has every right to be heard. Israel destroyed lebanon, the US and israel armed one of the most racist and facist militias in the middle east, which´s aims were to basically aniliate every ethnic group in lebanon except their own.

Hezbolla is part of the government politically, this was part of the disarment process...the plan was to intergrate the militia into lebanese politics, and hopefully be able to persuade the militia into disarming and becoming a full and dedicated political group which represented the south.

Israel???? MORAL STANDARD?!?! BULLSH*T. Israel dropped phosphorus bombs during the civilwar and during the current conflict. Do you know what are the f*king effects of these war toys? And You should observe the terrorism that is being conducted by the zionist state on the palestinians.

Quote: Lets see how well Hezbollah holds up if say Iran was underseige as well as Syria... I'm pretty sure anyone would agree their supplies would but rather slim compared to what they are now.

...let´s see how well does the idf hold up if it attacks those arab states. :lol:

Quote: Why should Israel give back the shebaa farms and your detainees? Because a TERRORIST organization is using terror to get them back? They are a precise reason not to.

terrorist organization? well...its fire vs fire, israel is a terrorist state...so its perfectly reasonable if they were to commence negotiations.

Quote: They want to kill all of Israel because they are JEWS. Of course by your words Israel should just give them whatever they want right? Hey you why not hand over the capital just to make sure Hezbollah wont want that too right? The solution is very easy, it's a three letter word called "war".

They are bent on revenge...they´ve been abused and murdered (before they established HA), and the israelis were never punished, thanks to the u.s´s vetos n support. Now they want payback...


Quote: Also you would care when Iran and Syria came underseige and your precious Hezbollah lost it's support. Just because you have a attitude of a person with zero backbone doesn't mean you should expect Israel to follow that way of thinking. I guess if some guy that lives in your area wants just a couple of bucks from you its a lot easier to just give it to him than have any sort of confrontation right? Keep being bullied and pretty soon you won't have any money to give.

This "way of thinking" that you keep bringing up is perfectly logical. Israel cannot accept defeat, and doesn´t like being bossed around, that´s the nazi sense of logic. The logic that skinn is proposing is reasonable, since Israel should simply give the shebaa to hizbullah and return the prisoners, if it doesn´t want further confrontation.

[Saracen]

the sane voice wrote: im not anti islamic.im anti those who wants to kill me.

Who isn't? :lol: There are a lot of non-Muslims who want to see Jews dead as well, so anti-Semitism isn't exclusive to Muslims.

Quote: who told you i judged from the 1st sight?dont assume what you do not know.

Okay. My mistake.

[the sane voice]

Saracen wrote: the sane voice wrote: how come its say-muslim there is a jew,kill him?

It's not talking about ALL Jews. It's talking about the Zionists who stood with the anti-Christ. Therefore, as warriors, they must be fought against.

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thats sound like an excuse.but then again its all depends on the context isnt it.

[the sane voice]

Saracen wrote: the sane voice wrote: im not anti islamic.im anti those who wants to kill me.

Who isn't? :lol: There are a lot of non-Muslims who want to see Jews dead as well, so anti-Semitism isn't exclusive to Muslims.

Quote: who told you i judged from the 1st sight?dont assume what you do not know.

Okay. My mistake.
i never said it was.