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[provoca tour]

Because of delusions and fantasies, Israel and the US both miss the real solutions to their existing problems

By Dan Adleman

Pathological narcissism occurs when an individual’s psychic horizons close in around him to form an insular, almost opaque bubbleworld....

http://www.republic-news.org/archive/146-repub/146_dan_adleman.htm

The article assumes Israel and the US want to have solutions to their problems.

[Venom]

How can a writer try to use so many fancy words yet still get it so wrong?
I don’t know but Dan Adleman certainly pulls it off.

The only people living in a bubble are those whom feel that Israel and the United States should just play the game of appeasement to everyone else. Ran into a brick wall of Afghanistan and Iraq? Seriously? Wow. This guy is delusional. He also states that Hezbollah defeated Israel's military tactics? That’s pretty funny. Figuring how many years they had to entrench themselves for this attack? Israel did not do poorly from a military standpoint. If he wanted to see the true might of their military Israel could have used the same arrogance and disregard for it's neighbors as Dan seems to believe and leveled the entire country. Now it chose a very light attack in terms of an incursion. The big dirty weapon used by Israel is the cluster bombs... wow.... you'd think that they were some kind of nuclear weapon.

Also the writer refers to Omert as a warmonger. Funny how the military taken by Israel was a retaliation. If I was Bush I'd have the US military in Iran right now and if I was Omert there would be an awful lot of Jews crossing into Syria to show them what military power they do have.

The only thing magical about this article is how the writer believes the United States and Israel should stand idle as the world is raped by terrorists whose goal is to kill Dan himself. That is unless he is totally devoted to Allah himself. Then he may be given a pass.

A complete trash article that presents only more waste to a clouded subject.

[Pareve]

Summary of the article: Israel and America suck. And yes, I read it. : P

[skinn]

provoca tour wrote: Because of delusions and fantasies, Israel and the US both miss the real solutions to their existing problems

By Dan Adleman

Pathological narcissism occurs when an individual’s psychic horizons close in around him to form an insular, almost opaque bubbleworld....

http://www.republic-news.org/archive/146-repub/146_dan_adleman.htm

:tu: :tu: :clap: great article

[Pareve]

skinn wrote: provoca tour wrote: Because of delusions and fantasies, Israel and the US both miss the real solutions to their existing problems

By Dan Adleman

Pathological narcissism occurs when an individual’s psychic horizons close in around him to form an insular, almost opaque bubbleworld....

http://www.republic-news.org/archive/146-repub/146_dan_adleman.htm

:tu: :tu: :clap: great article

No, it really isn't. All he did was talk about why he thinks Israel and America suck, after swallowing a thesaurus.

[skinn]

Pareve wrote: skinn wrote: provoca tour wrote: Because of delusions and fantasies, Israel and the US both miss the real solutions to their existing problems

By Dan Adleman

Pathological narcissism occurs when an individual’s psychic horizons close in around him to form an insular, almost opaque bubbleworld....

http://www.republic-news.org/archive/146-repub/146_dan_adleman.htm

:tu: :tu: :clap: great article

No, it really isn't. All he did was talk about why he thinks Israel and America suck, after swallowing a thesaurus.

he approached the hizbollah issue in an objective manner.
he did not say hizb is good, hizb is bad, hizb is a terrorist, hizb is a savior......
he stated what hizb really is and what israel did not see (because of her narsissism and egocentrism, witch might be the true cause after all).
israel and america really suck, and i'm glad he sated why
:P

[superskippy]

Quote: he did not say hizb is good, hizb is bad, hizb is a terrorist, hizb is a savior......

Ah so thats good but it's great to state why Israel and America are bad? Hezbollah is bad and it is a terrorist organization with a dozen major attacks to it's name.

[mr_happy]

Yeah becasue ISrael has killed every POW its taken in the last six years? Hezbullah has had a grand total of 5 POW's... they've murdred three. I wonder how much longer the other two have to live. Yeah, people that kill prsioners of war are bad. But, oh I forgot, Jewish prisoners don't matter.

[skinn]

mr_happy wrote: Yeah becasue ISrael has killed every POW its taken in the last six years? Hezbullah has had a grand total of 5 POW's... they've murdred three. I wonder how much longer the other two have to live. Yeah, people that kill prsioners of war are bad. But, oh I forgot, Jewish prisoners don't matter.

A great documentary was on TV in lebanon today and yesterday (2 parts).
they showed a video of the attack on the 3 israeli soldiers.
hizb were waiting for a tank to pass, so that the abduct living soldiers, but instead came a regular jeep, so the mine killed the soldiers. ( in shebaa)

hizb did not kill prisonners.

[Venom]

skinn
He doesn't say Hezbollah is good? What about the paragraph listing all these "social services" they are giving to the people of Lebanon. Seems to me the writer is certainly pro Hezbollah in every single way. As for him being objective I can hardly say he is. Objective about the US and Israel? Well he refers to the war on terror as "whack a mole". Well of course you know millions upon millions of dollars put into building Iraqi schools, hospitals, giving food, medical care, training their military to be able to police themselves, no that doesn't count for the US, just for Hezbollah.

Israel and the United States suck? Funny coming from a person whom claims to live in Lebanon. You’re applauding an article that plainly states that Hezbollah is part of the Lebanese government. So basically your country is just a tool for Syria and Iran? I'm not sure if I would applaud that if I was in your position. According to this Israel should just declare war on Lebanon since Hezbollah is part of the government. I am curious though; since you are so anti Israel did you put your money where your mouth was and fight them when they came into your country? The only reason a war would be "unwinnable" to Israel is due to the fact that they hold themselves to a moral standard compared to your countries military arms. Yes Hezbollah is part of your military arm due to the fact they are infused with your government and more importantly you all have no intention of removing the cancer.

[skinn]

Venom wrote: skinn
He doesn't say Hezbollah is good? What about the paragraph listing all these "social services" they are giving to the people of Lebanon. Seems to me the writer is certainly pro Hezbollah in every single way. As for him being objective I can hardly say he is. Objective about the US and Israel? Well he refers to the war on terror as "whack a mole". Well of course you know millions upon millions of dollars put into building Iraqi schools, hospitals, giving food, medical care, training their military to be able to police themselves, no that doesn't count for the US, just for Hezbollah.

Israel and the United States suck? Funny coming from a person whom claims to live in Lebanon. You’re applauding an article that plainly states that Hezbollah is part of the Lebanese government. So basically your country is just a tool for Syria and Iran? I'm not sure if I would applaud that if I was in your position. According to this Israel should just declare war on Lebanon since Hezbollah is part of the government. I am curious though; since you are so anti Israel did you put your money where your mouth was and fight them when they came into your country? The only reason a war would be "unwinnable" to Israel is due to the fact that they hold themselves to a moral standard compared to your countries military arms. Yes Hezbollah is part of your military arm due to the fact they are infused with your government and more importantly you all have no intention of removing the cancer.

it seems you didn't get my point. i said he stated facts about hizb, hizb in fact have social services, all the services he stated are true,
Me, for example i am against hizb having all these social services and being a state inside a state. ( whatever my opinion is, hizb has huge social services).

i don't support anything about hizb, not the arms, not the ideology, but all i want is a reasonnable and possible solution not featuring israel distroying half of my contry, or having my country torn apart in a civil war.

[Pareve]

skinn wrote: Pareve wrote: skinn wrote: provoca tour wrote: Because of delusions and fantasies, Israel and the US both miss the real solutions to their existing problems

By Dan Adleman

Pathological narcissism occurs when an individual’s psychic horizons close in around him to form an insular, almost opaque bubbleworld....

http://www.republic-news.org/archive/146-repub/146_dan_adleman.htm

:tu: :tu: :clap: great article

No, it really isn't. All he did was talk about why he thinks Israel and America suck, after swallowing a thesaurus.

he approached the hizbollah issue in an objective manner.
he did not say hizb is good, hizb is bad, hizb is a terrorist, hizb is a savior......
he stated what hizb really is and what israel did not see (because of her narsissism and egocentrism, witch might be the true cause after all).
israel and america really suck, and i'm glad he sated why
:P

The article opened with him bashing Israel. If that's objective, I will eat my favorite hat.

[skinn]

Pareve wrote: skinn wrote: Pareve wrote: skinn wrote: provoca tour wrote: Because of delusions and fantasies, Israel and the US both miss the real solutions to their existing problems

By Dan Adleman

Pathological narcissism occurs when an individual’s psychic horizons close in around him to form an insular, almost opaque bubbleworld....

http://www.republic-news.org/archive/146-repub/146_dan_adleman.htm

:tu: :tu: :clap: great article

No, it really isn't. All he did was talk about why he thinks Israel and America suck, after swallowing a thesaurus.

he approached the hizbollah issue in an objective manner.
he did not say hizb is good, hizb is bad, hizb is a terrorist, hizb is a savior......
he stated what hizb really is and what israel did not see (because of her narsissism and egocentrism, witch might be the true cause after all).
israel and america really suck, and i'm glad he sated why
:P

The article opened with him bashing Israel. If that's objective, I will eat my favorite hat.

plz do plzzzzzzzzz plz plz plzzzz

[Venom]

I didn't read anything negative about Hezbollah. I did however read a lot of postive things from his article so I don't think I missed the point you tried to make claiming the writer didn't make Hezbollah out to be a good thing. If he wants to be objective why didn't he add the part of Hezbollah carrying out rocket attacks from civilian areas and using civilians as shields?

Well you have a possible solution to your Hezbollah problem... it was a UN resolution that did nothing. Here comes some more UN nothing right at you. Reality shows the only way they are leaving is by force.
Show me any other way to get them out. I'd be happy if they'd up and leave but you know that won't happen. The best way I could see them being taken out is by cutting off their funding (Iran/Syria) and then dealing with them. Your not talking them out, they are fanatics, your not buying them out as they want Israel wiped out and your certainly not getting them out from angry letters from the UN that have no bite to them.

[skinn]

Venom wrote: I didn't read anything negative about Hezbollah. I did however read a lot of postive things from his article so I don't think I missed the point you tried to make claiming the writer didn't make Hezbollah out to be a good thing. If he wants to be objective why didn't he add the part of Hezbollah carrying out rocket attacks from civilian areas and using civilians as shields?

Well you have a possible solution to your Hezbollah problem... it was a UN resolution that did nothing. Here comes some more UN nothing right at you. Reality shows the only way they are leaving is by force.
Show me any other way to get them out. I'd be happy if they'd up and leave but you know that won't happen. The best way I could see them being taken out is by cutting off their funding (Iran/Syria) and then dealing with them. Your not talking them out, they are fanatics, your not buying them out as they want Israel wiped out and your certainly not getting them out from angry letters from the UN that have no bite to them.

u are refusing to understand and hear hizb, the guy in the article was trying to let u know the reality of hizb but u are refusing to listen.
contrarely to what u are saying, this war proved one thing: that u cannot disarm hizb by force.
and if u try listening to hizb a little more, u would know their dis-arming conditions are not that difficult, all they want is getting back our detainees and shebaa farms, that's pretty easy for israel.

[superskippy]

Quote: Yeah becasue ISrael has killed every POW its taken in the last six years? Hezbullah has had a grand total of 5 POW's... they've murdred three. I wonder how much longer the other two have to live. Yeah, people that kill prsioners of war are bad. But, oh I forgot, Jewish prisoners don't matter.

If those two are still alive with which Hezbollah's tactics and record I have doubted since before we even went into Lebanon or began major operations.

Quote: hizb did not kill prisonners.

You know the last prisoners they exchanged? Yeah, it's kind of incorrect to term them prisoners. They were corpses. Thats right we traded for their executed corpses so their families would have something to bury. I would not be surprised if Hezbollah decided to do it again, they have a clear knack for murder and terrorism.

Quote: hizb were waiting for a tank to pass, so that the abduct living soldiers, but instead came a regular jeep, so the mine killed the soldiers. ( in shebaa)

Hezbollah didnt lay the mine. We did, and the minefield due to weather and geoligical conditions shifted slightly to the road and the soldier was killed. As for Hezbollah having men waiting in ambush that is just ridiculous, and Hezbollah has withdrawn it's outposts and positions from the Sheeba Farms border in recent days to begin with.

[Venom]

Skinn
How am I refusing to understand and hear hizb? What did this recent military action prove? It proved you cannot get rid of Hezbollah by force in one month while have very limited military engagments.

Lets see how well Hezbollah holds up if say Iran was underseige as well as Syria... I'm pretty sure anyone would agree their supplies would but rather slim compared to what they are now.

Why should Israel give back the shebaa farms and your detainees? Because a TERRORIST organization is using terror to get them back? They are a precise reason not to.

The bottom line is your are supporting Hezbollah by your own words. If you want the Shebba farms back then go ahead and negotiate without all of the attacks on Israel.

[the sane voice]

provoca tour wrote: Because of delusions and fantasies, Israel and the US both miss the real solutions to their existing problems

By Dan Adleman

Pathological narcissism occurs when an individual’s psychic horizons close in around him to form an insular, almost opaque bubbleworld....

http://www.republic-news.org/archive/146-repub/146_dan_adleman.htm
read my signature-then you will understand what is the real cause to this war.

[skinn]

superskippy wrote: Quote: Yeah becasue ISrael has killed every POW its taken in the last six years? Hezbullah has had a grand total of 5 POW's... they've murdred three. I wonder how much longer the other two have to live. Yeah, people that kill prsioners of war are bad. But, oh I forgot, Jewish prisoners don't matter.

If those two are still alive with which Hezbollah's tactics and record I have doubted since before we even went into Lebanon or began major operations.

Quote: hizb did not kill prisonners.

You know the last prisoners they exchanged? Yeah, it's kind of incorrect to term them prisoners. They were corpses. Thats right we traded for their executed corpses so their families would have something to bury. I would not be surprised if Hezbollah decided to do it again, they have a clear knack for murder and terrorism.

Quote: hizb were waiting for a tank to pass, so that the abduct living soldiers, but instead came a regular jeep, so the mine killed the soldiers. ( in shebaa)

Hezbollah didnt lay the mine. We did, and the minefield due to weather and geoligical conditions shifted slightly to the road and the soldier was killed. As for Hezbollah having men waiting in ambush that is just ridiculous, and Hezbollah has withdrawn it's outposts and positions from the Sheeba Farms border in recent days to begin with.

i am telling u i saw a footage, a camera filmed the operation.

[skinn]

Venom wrote: Skinn
How am I refusing to understand and hear hizb? What did this recent military action prove? It proved you cannot get rid of Hezbollah by force in one month while have very limited military engagments.

Lets see how well Hezbollah holds up if say Iran was underseige as well as Syria... I'm pretty sure anyone would agree their supplies would but rather slim compared to what they are now.

Why should Israel give back the shebaa farms and your detainees? Because a TERRORIST organization is using terror to get them back? They are a precise reason not to.

The bottom line is your are supporting Hezbollah by your own words. If you want the Shebba farms back then go ahead and negotiate without all of the attacks on Israel.

then put iran and syria under siege, what do i care.
whatever the way we could get back the detainees and shebaa farms, i don't care, the intelligent thing for israel to do is to leave hizbollah with no reasons to carry arms. Until then israel is just leinghtening the conflict.
the solution is very easy.