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[roghammond]

With the recent declaration of Calderon of the PAN party as the winner and Obrador the loser, some thoughts came to mind. If the 8.7 million illegal Mexicans in this country (67% of the estimated 13 million illegals are Mexican) had stayed in Mexico to try to fix some of the things wrong with Mexico, who would they have voted for. Obrador would be my guess. This would have resulted in a regime change, unless the corrupt Vincente Fox government could have figured out how to fix the election. Hmm.

Now let’s back up. Do you suppose that Vicente Fox and Jorge Bush got together to work out a plan. Bush agreed to totally open the border to let the Mexican hordes in for the cheap labor that the corporate sponsors who own him demand and at the same time Fox is getting rid of voters of the opposition party.

Could one of the reasons Jorge Bush is so desperate for amnesty for these illegal Mexicans is the fear that they will go back and shake things up in Mexico? Like voting against the PAN party.

Don’t forget that Mexico is an oil producing nation (like Iraq). Gotta protect the oil don’t you?

This keeps alive Jorge Bush’s dream of a North American community union too.

[FarPastGone]

I don't buy into this at all. First off you make this wild claim with out any sufficient evidence trying to link this to a conspiracy to keep PAN out of office (even if mine is just personal accounts). You are right in the aspect that PAN is not in our best interest to have in office in Mexico, but I do not think that immigration was purposely increased by the American government to keep this from happening. I was in Mexico for a majority of summer doing field research and I noticed two distinct things:

a.) For a majority the support for Calderon was greater in the rural areas, and smaller towns. The large cities (i.e. Merida) is where a majority of the Obrador supporters reside.

b.) A majority of illegal immigrants (from what I observed) were from rural areas, if citizens of rural areas had not already fallen victim to rural to urban migration, then they were more susceptible to ending up in America trying to find a job. Near the town of Tecal (spelling may be off, but don't get it confused with Tikal) there were settlements that used to be very prosperous, but suffered economic downfall and led to the majority of their citizens migrating either to large urban centers or America.

We should all be glad that Obrador was not elected, relationships with Mexico in all likelihood will be strengthened with Calderon taking office.

[roghammond]

Well, of course, no one would have a transcript of a secret meeting between Bush and Fox in which they have outlined what I have said. So yes I don't have any evidence of a conspiracy other than Bush's actions.
I admit that this is a theory of mine and I was interested to see if anyone else would think so.

Laura Carlsen, director of the Americas program at the International Relations Center in Mexico City had this to say:

All the demographics on the vote are not in yet, but it's quite clear that people with less than three minimum wages, which is only approximately $15 a day, and people in the countryside, which has been very heavily hit by free trade policies, voted overwhelmingly for Lopez Obrador, despite some evidence of coercion in those regions.

www.organicconsumers.org/2006/article_1031.cfm

This would indicate that the support for Oberon comes more from the rural areas where people have been hard hit by free trade policies. The same place that I've been lead to believe that the cheap illegal immigration labor comes from.

So, Fox has been said to have encouraged and helped people from this area who have been hit hard by free trade policies, even though they are from an area that voted for Obrador, cross into the US. Sort of like Bush helping Democrats cross into Canada.

My only interest in all of this is to try to find a rational for Bush to steadfastly refuse to control the border, even though a vast majority of Americans want it. There has to be more to it than Bush's need for cheap labor for his corporate supporters.

[FarPastGone]

I believe the secret Bush Fox meeting had something to do with the NAU.