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[Todd D.]

cap'n queasy wrote: Worshiping false gods is worshiping false gods.

If you think it will help you, go right ahead.

But...
I would never pretend to adopt another religion to save my neck. The Bible tells us we will come to this choice, and it tells us what to do in that situation. And it tells us the consequence of making the wrong choice.

Trying to make Christianity palatable to heathens by attempting to make it conform to their reason does not advance the cause of Christianity. It advances the cause of heathenism at Christianity's expense.
I think the question one has to ask is: Is paying lip service under threat of harm "worshipping false God's"? I think what is being suggested is that "worship" must come from the heart and must be truly felt. Your actions must be a function of that in order to be considered worship. Bowing before a statue under the threat of a bayonet is no more "worship" than tripping and accidentally falling to your knees in front of a statue of Shiva, both carry no genuine conviction behind their actions.

[cap'n queasy]

Do whatever you think is best then.

[Todd D.]

I'd rather take steps to prevent such a decision from ever being made. God willing, I'll never have to decide between my family's life or my faith. It's really easy to say now "Oh, I wouldn't buckle", but the truth is I just don't know what I would do.

[cap'n queasy]

Do whatever you think you can do then.

[MKSWEO]

"You shall make no graven image or any likeness of anything in heaven or earth, nor bow down to any such thing."
second commandment

I wouldnt pray to anyone elses god, nor abandone my own. my hands wont carry the sin of my familys or sig. others murder, those who strike them down will.

[LetsGetReal]

Todd D. wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Worshiping false gods is worshiping false gods.

If you think it will help you, go right ahead.

But...
I would never pretend to adopt another religion to save my neck. The Bible tells us we will come to this choice, and it tells us what to do in that situation. And it tells us the consequence of making the wrong choice.

Trying to make Christianity palatable to heathens by attempting to make it conform to their reason does not advance the cause of Christianity. It advances the cause of heathenism at Christianity's expense.
I think the question one has to ask is: Is paying lip service under threat of harm "worshipping false God's"? I think what is being suggested is that "worship" must come from the heart and must be truly felt. Your actions must be a function of that in order to be considered worship. Bowing before a statue under the threat of a bayonet is no more "worship" than tripping and accidentally falling to your knees in front of a statue of Shiva, both carry no genuine conviction behind their actions. True, but I believe saying that you will render your religion irrelevent for the sakes of terrorists is a rather sad state of affairs. Either way I don't believe that you will be eternally damned, but I do believe the best option in the eyes of God would be to refuse the "safest route" for your present situation(in such a case).

[Shady]

LetsGetReal wrote: Shady wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: Shady wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Worshiping false gods is worshiping false gods.

If you think it will help you, go right ahead.

But...
I would never pretend to adopt another religion to save my neck. The Bible tells us we will come to this choice, and it tells us what to do in that situation. And it tells us the consequence of making the wrong choice.

Trying to make Christianity palatable to heathens by attempting to make it conform to their reason does not advance the cause of Christianity. It advances the cause of heathenism at Christianity's expense.

You would never pretend to adopt religion to save someone else? Your wife and kids maybe? Stop placing the burden on him, his actions are not bringing about the loss of his family or wife in this ridiculous hypothetical question. The burden is on the murders!! They kill, they harm, they do everything. He has no control over anything, but yet you try to portray he does. So I ask again stop with this nonsense, unless the make believe is your reality.

It's unlikely he'll ever be in a situation where he will be forced to recant his beliefs. Why is my hypothetical any more ridiculous. I'm not absolving the murderers of anything, I'm asking would he pretend to adopt another faith to stop them from killing his wife and kids? That's it. What he does is not wrong, what they do is plain and simple. Stop trying to make it look otherwise....

I did not say what he did was long. I asked him a simple yes or no question.

[LetsGetReal]

Shady wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: Shady wrote: LetsGetReal wrote: Shady wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Worshiping false gods is worshiping false gods.

If you think it will help you, go right ahead.

But...
I would never pretend to adopt another religion to save my neck. The Bible tells us we will come to this choice, and it tells us what to do in that situation. And it tells us the consequence of making the wrong choice.

Trying to make Christianity palatable to heathens by attempting to make it conform to their reason does not advance the cause of Christianity. It advances the cause of heathenism at Christianity's expense.

You would never pretend to adopt religion to save someone else? Your wife and kids maybe? Stop placing the burden on him, his actions are not bringing about the loss of his family or wife in this ridiculous hypothetical question. The burden is on the murders!! They kill, they harm, they do everything. He has no control over anything, but yet you try to portray he does. So I ask again stop with this nonsense, unless the make believe is your reality.

It's unlikely he'll ever be in a situation where he will be forced to recant his beliefs. Why is my hypothetical any more ridiculous. I'm not absolving the murderers of anything, I'm asking would he pretend to adopt another faith to stop them from killing his wife and kids? That's it. What he does is not wrong, what they do is plain and simple. Stop trying to make it look otherwise.... I did not say what he did was long. I asked him a simple yes or no question. Which placed the blame on the wrong person...

[toddytodd]

Todd D. wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Worshiping false gods is worshiping false gods.

If you think it will help you, go right ahead.

But...
I would never pretend to adopt another religion to save my neck. The Bible tells us we will come to this choice, and it tells us what to do in that situation. And it tells us the consequence of making the wrong choice.

Trying to make Christianity palatable to heathens by attempting to make it conform to their reason does not advance the cause of Christianity. It advances the cause of heathenism at Christianity's expense.
I think the question one has to ask is: Is paying lip service under threat of harm "worshipping false God's"? I think what is being suggested is that "worship" must come from the heart and must be truly felt. Your actions must be a function of that in order to be considered worship. Bowing before a statue under the threat of a bayonet is no more "worship" than tripping and accidentally falling to your knees in front of a statue of Shiva, both carry no genuine conviction behind their actions.

That is an interesting thought because, as we all know, not everyone worships in the same way. If it were a matter of life and death, I would think most people would 'pretend' to do what is status quo, because only God would know for sure. Thought and action are different, but at the same time, very related.
But I wonder, if lying is a sin, and one lies about worshiping another religion or religious figure for safety's sake, would that be considered a sin?
:think: