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[John Galt]

I am not sure if this was posted. I had not gone to maddox's website in a long time. Apparently a month ago he posted this, and it does pretty much deconstruct the conspiracist's sophistory. And it is funny to boot.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

[psholtz]

Maddox is almost certainly a paid government shill .. The government is absolutely terrified of the public learning the truth about 9/11, and they're putting their propaganda machine into overdrive to counter the 9/11 Truth Movement.

It's not working..

42% of all Americans believe the 9/11 Commission Report is a cover-up, and 10% aren't sure. Than means the government can't even muster a sorry 50% of the American public to believe its lie about 9/11.. Anyone who mentions space aliens and the chupacabra in the same breath as 9/11 (as Maddox does here) is almost certainly on CIA payroll.

I wouldn't trust a word of what you see here.

[citizen_X]

The only thing I managed to get out of that is a bunch of insults and slander towards other people, wow, what a waste of time, hahahahaha, feel sorry for the people who went and put the effort into creating that website.

As for psholtz, the 911 commission is so similiar to the warren commission of JFK, a bunch of BS and mathematical, physics and chemistry formulas bent in too how the governments theory wants it to be.

[NAB]

psholtz wrote: Maddox is almost certainly a paid government shill .. The government is absolutely terrified of the public learning the truth about 9/11, and they're putting their propaganda machine into overdrive to counter the 9/11 Truth Movement.

It's not working..

42% of all Americans believe the 9/11 Commission Report is a cover-up, and 10% aren't sure. Than means the government can't even muster a sorry 50% of the American public to believe its lie about 9/11.. Anyone who mentions space aliens and the chupacabra in the same breath as 9/11 (as Maddox does here) is almost certainly on CIA payroll.

I wouldn't trust a word of what you see here.

It's interesting that the percentage that believe that 911 was an inside job is approximately the same percentage of people who believe Bush is doing a good job. :think:

[Revenant]

:lol:

[psholtz]

NAB wrote: psholtz wrote: Maddox is almost certainly a paid government shill .. The government is absolutely terrified of the public learning the truth about 9/11, and they're putting their propaganda machine into overdrive to counter the 9/11 Truth Movement.

It's not working..

42% of all Americans believe the 9/11 Commission Report is a cover-up, and 10% aren't sure. Than means the government can't even muster a sorry 50% of the American public to believe its lie about 9/11.. Anyone who mentions space aliens and the chupacabra in the same breath as 9/11 (as Maddox does here) is almost certainly on CIA payroll.

I wouldn't trust a word of what you see here.

It's interesting that the percentage that believe that 911 was an inside job is approximately the same percentage of people who believe Bush is doing a good job. :think:
It'd be even more interesting to see where you come up w/ your facts..

About 40% of all Americans believe 9/11 was an inside job, and like I said above, over 50% don't believe the government lie concerning 9/11. Bush's approval ratings are far lower than that.

[psholtz]

citizen_X wrote: The only thing I managed to get out of that is a bunch of insults and slander towards other people, wow, what a waste of time, hahahahaha, feel sorry for the people who went and put the effort into creating that website.

As for psholtz, the 911 commission is so similiar to the warren commission of JFK, a bunch of BS and mathematical, physics and chemistry formulas bent in too how the governments theory wants it to be.
It's amazing how the government can just suspend the laws of physics whenever they so desire, isn't it? :think:

[NAB]

psholtz wrote: NAB wrote: psholtz wrote: Maddox is almost certainly a paid government shill .. The government is absolutely terrified of the public learning the truth about 9/11, and they're putting their propaganda machine into overdrive to counter the 9/11 Truth Movement.

It's not working..

42% of all Americans believe the 9/11 Commission Report is a cover-up, and 10% aren't sure. Than means the government can't even muster a sorry 50% of the American public to believe its lie about 9/11.. Anyone who mentions space aliens and the chupacabra in the same breath as 9/11 (as Maddox does here) is almost certainly on CIA payroll.

I wouldn't trust a word of what you see here.

It's interesting that the percentage that believe that 911 was an inside job is approximately the same percentage of people who believe Bush is doing a good job. :think:
It'd be even more interesting to see where you come up w/ your facts..

About 40% of all Americans believe 9/11 was an inside job, and like I said above, over 50% don't believe the government lie concerning 9/11. Bush's approval ratings are far lower than that.

the August Cook/RT poll, Bush's job-approval rating is 39 percent, the same as July, while his disapproval rating is up 4 points to 55 percent. Although 21 percent of respondents said they "strongly approve" of Bush's performance, 46 percent "strongly disapprove," an extraordinarily high level of intensity that the GOP should find disturbing.
Source


Thirty-six percent of respondents overall said it is "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that federal officials either participated in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon or took no action to stop them "because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East."
Source

Sorry, I said "approximate". I should have stated there was a +/- of 3%.
It's interesting what many people are willing to believe.

[citizen_X]

Polls, stats, these matters can be so manipulated into achieving the end result you desire.

I've seen it so done here in my town, newspapers read front page, 80% Approve Roundabouts! shut up, I was at that meeting conviently held at 12:45 in the afternoon, knowing that ppl who are on lunch or going to work after lunch dont have time. I was the only person who voted NO, guess how many ppl where there? 5 people including myself, funny how I got to meet all the city's councillors that afternoon, bunch of old brauds.

I watched a video, I would encourage ppl to watch it, Im going to hunt down the name of that video, its about stats/polls, we watched it in math class and was part of our final assignment, which was pretty nice after the semester of trench warfare.

[John Galt]

psholtz wrote: Maddox is almost certainly a paid government shill .. The government is absolutely terrified of the public learning the truth about 9/11, and they're putting their propaganda machine into overdrive to counter the 9/11 Truth Movement.

It's not working..

42% of all Americans believe the 9/11 Commission Report is a cover-up, and 10% aren't sure. Than means the government can't even muster a sorry 50% of the American public to believe its lie about 9/11.. Anyone who mentions space aliens and the chupacabra in the same breath as 9/11 (as Maddox does here) is almost certainly on CIA payroll.

I wouldn't trust a word of what you see here.

Maddox is just some guy that makes funny drawings and rants.

www.maddox.xmission.net

The fact that this man is alive...



...is proof that "Loose Change" is bulls**t.

Here's why:

1. The man in the picture above is Dylan Avery. To be more precise, the fact that Dylan, his friends, and family are alive, is proof that "Loose Change" is bulls**t. He, along with a couple of his friends, created a 9/11 conspiracy video claiming that the US government and the military caused 9/11. Take a closer look at the last part of that last sentence: he's claiming that the US government, for whatever ends, killed nearly 3,000 innocent Americans, and tens if not hundreds of thousands of more lives in the conflicts that ensued because of it.

2. Since Dylan's arguing that the government has no problem killing 3,000 innocent people, this raises the question: if his documentary is true, and we've established that the government has no ethical qualms about killing thousands of its own people, then why wouldn't the government kill Avery and his friends as well? What's a few more lives to them to ensure the success of this conspiracy?

Whatever reason it may be that the government supposedly orchestrated this conspiracy, it must have been worth it to them to cause so much suffering and loss of life. So if there's any truth to this, then you can bet your ass that the government wouldn't let a couple of pecker-neck chumps with a couple of Macs and too much time on their hands jeopardise their entire operation by letting this stupid video float around on the Internet. I can picture you morons emailing me now: "BUT MADOX, MAYBE DYLAN POSTED IT ON THE INTERNET BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT HAD A CHANCE TO REMOVE IT LOL." Yeah, too bad this rebuttal is inconsistent with the premise of Dylan's s**t-festival of a movie: that the WTC was brought down "in a carefully planned and controlled demolition ... and it was pulled off with military precision." Now we're expected to believe that the same government that was able to commit the largest terrorist operation in history--with military precision no less--is suddenly too incompetent to sniff out and shut down a little website set up by some college losers within days, if not minutes of its creation?

I win. There is no conspiracy.

[John Galt]

[Patriot911]

psholtz wrote: citizen_X wrote: The only thing I managed to get out of that is a bunch of insults and slander towards other people, wow, what a waste of time, hahahahaha, feel sorry for the people who went and put the effort into creating that website.

As for psholtz, the 911 commission is so similiar to the warren commission of JFK, a bunch of BS and mathematical, physics and chemistry formulas bent in too how the governments theory wants it to be.
It's amazing how the government can just suspend the laws of physics whenever they so desire, isn't it? :think:

The only problem with your claim, like so many of your other claims, is that it isn't based in reality. The laws of physics aren't something you can suspend, bend, break or fudge. If the physics put forth in the NIST report weren't correct, knowledgable people like physics professors would have pointed it out already. You have one. Stephen Jones. And his paper STILL hasn't gone through a true peer review. Why is that?

I would ask you to point out which laws of physics were suspended by the government, but I know better than to ask for specifics from you. ;-)

[psholtz]

Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: citizen_X wrote: The only thing I managed to get out of that is a bunch of insults and slander towards other people, wow, what a waste of time, hahahahaha, feel sorry for the people who went and put the effort into creating that website.

As for psholtz, the 911 commission is so similiar to the warren commission of JFK, a bunch of BS and mathematical, physics and chemistry formulas bent in too how the governments theory wants it to be.
It's amazing how the government can just suspend the laws of physics whenever they so desire, isn't it? :think:

The only problem with your claim, like so many of your other claims, is that it isn't based in reality. The laws of physics aren't something you can suspend, bend, break or fudge. If the physics put forth in the NIST report weren't correct, knowledgable people like physics professors would have pointed it out already. You have one. Stephen Jones. And his paper STILL hasn't gone through a true peer review. Why is that?

I would ask you to point out which laws of physics were suspended by the government, but I know better than to ask for specifics from you. ;-)
NIST deliberately ignored the possibility that bombs brought down WTC7 in their original report. As of last week, they've been forced to look into it again thanks for the 9/11 Truth movement..

I was referring more to the JFK magic bullet theory..

The author of that absurdity, Arlen Specter, is still sitting in Congress.

[psholtz]

The idea that "Dylan Avery is alive, therefore he must be lying" is absurd.

It's an argument that was invented by criminals, and is believed by fools.

[psholtz]

There are many answers as to how you get something like 9/11 to remain a secret:

* They kept the Manhattan Project a secret, and that involved even more people
* Compatmentalization .. the basis of all security in the military. People are on a need-to-know basis. They don't know that the little part they're playing is actually part of a bigger crime.. they think they're just doing their job and everything is hunky dory. Only a few people at the very top have the whole picture
* Foreign nationals: you get foreigners who have no (possible) allegiance to the US to do most of the dirty work.

Compartmentalization deserves special mention .. it's like that famous story about the worker in Nazi Germany who thinks he's working at a baby-carriage factory, so one night he takes all the parts from the factory home to his wife and puts them together, and to his horror he discovers he's holding a machine gun - not a baby carriage - in his hands.

9/11 compartmentalization works the identical way.

All buraeucratic compartmentalization works this way.

[Rhoades]

John Galt wrote: psholtz wrote: Maddox is almost certainly a paid government shill .. The government is absolutely terrified of the public learning the truth about 9/11, and they're putting their propaganda machine into overdrive to counter the 9/11 Truth Movement.

It's not working..

42% of all Americans believe the 9/11 Commission Report is a cover-up, and 10% aren't sure. Than means the government can't even muster a sorry 50% of the American public to believe its lie about 9/11.. Anyone who mentions space aliens and the chupacabra in the same breath as 9/11 (as Maddox does here) is almost certainly on CIA payroll.

I wouldn't trust a word of what you see here.

Maddox is just some guy that makes funny drawings and rants.

www.maddox.xmission.net

The fact that this man is alive...



...is proof that "Loose Change" is bulls**t.

Here's why:

1. The man in the picture above is Dylan Avery. To be more precise, the fact that Dylan, his friends, and family are alive, is proof that "Loose Change" is bulls**t. He, along with a couple of his friends, created a 9/11 conspiracy video claiming that the US government and the military caused 9/11. Take a closer look at the last part of that last sentence: he's claiming that the US government, for whatever ends, killed nearly 3,000 innocent Americans, and tens if not hundreds of thousands of more lives in the conflicts that ensued because of it.

2. Since Dylan's arguing that the government has no problem killing 3,000 innocent people, this raises the question: if his documentary is true, and we've established that the government has no ethical qualms about killing thousands of its own people, then why wouldn't the government kill Avery and his friends as well? What's a few more lives to them to ensure the success of this conspiracy?

Whatever reason it may be that the government supposedly orchestrated this conspiracy, it must have been worth it to them to cause so much suffering and loss of life. So if there's any truth to this, then you can bet your ass that the government wouldn't let a couple of pecker-neck chumps with a couple of Macs and too much time on their hands jeopardise their entire operation by letting this stupid video float around on the Internet. I can picture you morons emailing me now: "BUT MADOX, MAYBE DYLAN POSTED IT ON THE INTERNET BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT HAD A CHANCE TO REMOVE IT LOL." Yeah, too bad this rebuttal is inconsistent with the premise of Dylan's s**t-festival of a movie: that the WTC was brought down "in a carefully planned and controlled demolition ... and it was pulled off with military precision." Now we're expected to believe that the same government that was able to commit the largest terrorist operation in history--with military precision no less--is suddenly too incompetent to sniff out and shut down a little website set up by some college losers within days, if not minutes of its creation?

I win. There is no conspiracy.
That argument is such bulls**t i'm surprised you can't see through it. If that man was killed, wouldn't it be obvious that there is a cover up? Instead, the government has tools such as yourself to call people looney or quacks and try to discredit them, thus there is no need to take chances on killing people.

[Revenant]

I believe his wording was:

"I win. There is no conspiracy. Eat my s**t losers."

Just to clarify, Galt didn't quote it properly.

[justpassingthrough]

John Galt wrote: I am not sure if this was posted. I had not gone to maddox's website in a long time. Apparently a month ago he posted this, and it does pretty much deconstruct the conspiracist's sophistory. And it is funny to boot.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons





That's pretty good.

I saw a video of JFK's head whip back and blow apart with a fatal shot yet the accepted notion is still that Oswald shot him from behind and anything else is a conspiracy theory. I can't imagine finding any clearer evidence of a second shooter, yet to this day, many still argue how it is possible that his head whipped back to somehow meet the bullet as it hit him.

Not only does it defy common sense, I've never seen a situation like that duplicated, ever.

It doesn't matter how good the evidence is, people believe what they're told.

I do like the clip though.

[Free Thinkr]

justpassingthrough wrote: I saw a video of JFK's head whip back and blow apart with a fatal shot yet the accepted notion is still that Oswald shot him from behind and anything else is a conspiracy theory. I can't imagine finding any clearer evidence of a second shooter, yet to this day, many still argue how it is possible that his head whipped back to somehow meet the bullet as it hit him.
Wanna put your money where your mouth is? Because I can assure you with absolute certainty that that headshot came from behind.

[Rhoades]

Since when did "conservatives" start trusting big government?