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micfranklin · Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:57 am Post subject: Our Constitution is under fire

As time goes on, it seems as though our basic Constitutional rights are being trampled on by the government. Anyone who knows the real Patriot Act knows what it means: the government has the right to look through your personal files with or without reasonable cause. It's funny because I could've sworn that the 4th Amendment protects the citizens from unreasonable searches and seizures, such as wiretapping. How stupid of me :roll:

And then there's our basic 1st Amendment rights, which I really don't need to go over. Our freedom of speech, which I consider to be the most important, is being taken away. Companies out there are trying to put "tolls" on the internet, meaning to police the internet. Free speech is also being attacked by the political correctness crowd. Time after time, it becomes more difficult to know what to say and what not to say.

Got any opinions on this?

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23462 Location: California

Abolish the Federal Reserve.

That's the only thing that's giving the government the power to do things it isn't supposed to.

Richard Owl Mirror · Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9002

Enforcement of the 10th Amendment will correct these wrongs.

ShirzadianM · Joined: 27 Jun 2006 Posts: 140 Location: Ohio

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Enforcement of the 10th Amendment will correct these wrongs.

Exactly, I agree for once...

bigstick61 · Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:52 am Post subject:

I also agree. However, the problem lies with courts not willing to uphold the law and overrule many of the rulings contrary to the law that have been handed down during the course of the last century, especially from the 1930s on. Even moreso, the problem lies with the Senate being directly elected. Although part of the indirect election of Senators was to serve as a republican check on the people, another part of the reason was to serve as a federal check against the central government through the States, whose legislatures elected the Senators. Things went rapidly downhill once the States lost their Federal representation and one of their only checks on Federal power. I submit that the 17th Amendment should be repealed so as to downsize the government in both size and power, restore State's rights, serve as a check on democratic fervor, and prevent future Federal usurpations of power.

John Galt · Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 20672 Location: Minnesota

psholtz wrote: Abolish the Federal Reserve.

That's the only thing that's giving the government the power to do things it isn't supposed to.

Pretty much. "Endless" credit!

From the Chinese!!!

micfranklin · Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:22 pm Post subject:

I think its time we give a reminder out to the government of what our Constitution stands for and what our FF went through to get that.

leg_of_eel · Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 4

i think most of the politicians know all that. they probably had to study it more than most in school, and then deal with all the paintings/quotes/stories around the whitehouse/state houses and such. those who have the nerve to try to f**k over the constitution probably don't care what the founding fathers did.

Publius2006 · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 75

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Enforcement of the 10th Amendment will correct these wrongs.

I completely agree that the 10th Amendment seems to have been made almost void over time.

As for the Patriot Act, I too am against it because I feel that it gives up too much liberty in exchange for a questionable increase in security. Although the Patriot Act has been successfully used to combat terrorism, I still feel that it sacrifices too much of our freedom and gives the federal government a disturbing amount of power.

micfranklin · Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:03 pm Post subject:

Publius2006 wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Enforcement of the 10th Amendment will correct these wrongs.

I completely agree that the 10th Amendment seems to have been made almost void over time.

As for the Patriot Act, I too am against it because I feel that it gives up too much liberty in exchange for a questionable increase in security. Although the Patriot Act has been successfully used to combat terrorism, I still feel that it sacrifices too much of our freedom and gives the federal government a disturbing amount of power.

What disturbs me is how there are people out there who actually support this. Just yesterday I had a talk with a student on campus, and he said the act was "for our own good."

Onevote · Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 1688 Location: Tampa, Florida

John Galt wrote: psholtz wrote: Abolish the Federal Reserve.

That's the only thing that's giving the government the power to do things it isn't supposed to.

Pretty much. "Endless" credit!

From the Chinese!!! Very smart of the Chinese to do so. Not so smart of us to take it. They then have a bit of control over the value of our dollar.

Publius2006 · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 75

Onevote wrote: John Galt wrote: psholtz wrote: Abolish the Federal Reserve.

That's the only thing that's giving the government the power to do things it isn't supposed to.

Pretty much. "Endless" credit!

From the Chinese!!! Very smart of the Chinese to do so. Not so smart of us to take it. They then have a bit of control over the value of our dollar.

If you are suggesting that the Chinese might try and destabilize our economy then I must say that I very strongly disagree with this conjecture. Unless the Chinese suddenly became crazy and suicidal (like Iran) the have nothing in the world to gain from trying to disrupt the economy of the United States. In this era of a global economy, any instability in one country, particularly the U.S., will have some sort of an effect on every other country. Therefore this would do nothing but screw up China's economy as well.

Medius · Joined: 10 May 2006 Posts: 3543 Location: Kansas

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: Enforcement of the 10th Amendment will correct these wrongs.

Don't forget the 9th Amendment as well.

Doctor_Gonzo · Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 9

The Patriot Act is a simple repeal of the writ of habeas corpus, as well as 4th Amendment search & seizure rights. What concerns me is how close the utility of the Act is with Hitler's old "Empowerment" laws, especially when you look at what a low priority it is with this Administration to actually put the dollars in their budget to FUND the national security tasks that the PA is SUPPOSED to pave the legal way for . . .and then there's that pesky fact of how Halliburton has been hired to build all those prisons in this country. It sounds like a paranoid delusion, but why would the President push so hard for a law that will allow him to jail anyone at any time with NO reason given whatsoever supposedly to hunt down terrorists, and then cut the funding to those programs that actually help PROTECT our country from terrorists. Let's see . . .simple deductive reasoning here . . .ummmmmmmm the purpose of the Patriot Act is control over the populace by the President. DING DING! We have a winner! Billy! Tell him what he won!

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7657

Abolish the powers of "Executive Order", and "Executive Privilege".

Congress should be the ones running the country, not the president.

micfranklin · Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:24 am Post subject:

LostSoul3412 wrote: Abolish the powers of "Executive Order", and "Executive Privilege".

Congress should be the ones running the country, not the president.

We could also let the system of checks and balances work, but that's been thrown out of order many, many times.

micfranklin · Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject:

So, any other laws or executive orders out there that damage our rights that we don't know about?

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7657

micfranklin wrote: So, any other laws or executive orders out there that damage our rights that we don't know about?

Reinforce the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, repeal the Seventeenth Amendment, eliminate the Elastic Clause, get rid of Presidential power to suspend habeus corpus, overturn McCulloch v Maryland, repeal the Sixteenth Amendment, dismantle the Commerce Clause, and change the Supremacy Clause to eliminate the room for implied preemption, and we'll be sitting pretty.

micfranklin · Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:13 pm Post subject:

LostSoul3412 wrote: micfranklin wrote: So, any other laws or executive orders out there that damage our rights that we don't know about?

Reinforce the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, repeal the Seventeenth Amendment, eliminate the Elastic Clause, get rid of Presidential power to suspend habeus corpus, overturn McCulloch v Maryland, repeal the Sixteenth Amendment, dismantle the Commerce Clause, and change the Supremacy Clause to eliminate the room for implied preemption, and we'll be sitting pretty.

Damn, that's a lot of work we have to do :wink:

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7657

micfranklin wrote: Damn, that's a lot of work we have to do :wink:

You're telling me...

You'd think that a government that the people control would already have changed these thi-...

Never mind. :-|