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Numb · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 273

I have read theories, seen videos and read peoples opinion on the subject from both sides and I have come to the conclusion that the conspiracy is just BS.
Some people will however disagree with me, so, I want to know your opinion and what facts you have to back it up.

JoeTzu · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 155 Location: In your head man.

As far as 9/11?
It's five years later.
We were told that all the info could not be released because we're scared of terrorists.
That's BS.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7781

Numb wrote: I have read theories, seen videos and read peoples opinion on the subject from both sides and I have come to the conclusion that the conspiracy is just BS.
Some people will however disagree with me, so, I want to know your opinion and what facts you have to back it up.

I believe that 9/11 happened.

Source

Gremlin · Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 7840 Location: On the Run.

[move to Alternative theories forum so that the trolls can add their condescending bulls**t troll posts] - 2 the mods.

bob.appleyard · Joined: 15 Oct 2005 Posts: 7596 Location: Manchestar, innit

Whatever happened there was a conspiracy. In all likelihood, by a cell of radical islamists loosely affiliated with Al-Qua'ida.

JoeTzu · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 155 Location: In your head man.

Gremlin wrote: [move to Alternative theories forum so that the trolls can add their condescending bulls**t troll posts] - 2 the mods.

Isn't a gremlin a type of troll?

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 16633 Location: Bliss

There is an Alternative Theories forum for such topics. We try to keep P&G relatively clean from conspiracy theories.

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

If 9/11 was such a huge "intelligence failure", I would like to see at least *one* government technocrat punished or reprimanded for his failings.

All I see is rewards and pats on the back going all around..

Like they say at CIA, nothing succeeds like failure.

At least after the Pearl Harbor staged event, they set up Kimmel and Short as patsies to take the fall. This time, they haven't made ANY insiders into patsies.. Moreover, they waited over 2 years before even trying to start an "official" investigation into 9/11..

Clearly, they're hiding something.

Patriot911 · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 6869 Location: Denver, CO

So all you have for "proof" is conclusions you've drawn from what YOU consider suspicious behavior? Wow. Talk about weak! Unfortunately most of the "proof" I've seen about the 9/11 conspiracy is of the same caliber.

What else do you have?

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

Patriot911 wrote: So all you have for "proof" is conclusions you've drawn from what YOU consider suspicious behavior? Wow. Talk about weak! Unfortunately most of the "proof" I've seen about the 9/11 conspiracy is of the same caliber.
No, absolutely not.

There is a huge amount of proof that 9/11 was an inside job carried out by the U.S. government.

You might check out this Web site for starters:

http://www.911truth.org/

Patriot911 · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 6869 Location: Denver, CO

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: So all you have for "proof" is conclusions you've drawn from what YOU consider suspicious behavior? Wow. Talk about weak! Unfortunately most of the "proof" I've seen about the 9/11 conspiracy is of the same caliber.
No, absolutely not.

There is a huge amount of proof that 9/11 was an inside job carried out by the U.S. government.

You might check out this Web site for starters:

http://www.911truth.org/

You keep saying this and then pointing to web sites with known lies on them.

Not only that, but they pull the same tired old s**t that you do. They make lame assumptions based not on fact or evidence, but on circumstances. They don't have a single piece of real evidence just as you or any other conspiracy theorist has. If you did, people might just believe you. I say might because the conspiracy theorist community has the credibility of Clinton talking about the definition of "is".

BigOMG · Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:20 pm Post subject:

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: So all you have for "proof" is conclusions you've drawn from what YOU consider suspicious behavior? Wow. Talk about weak! Unfortunately most of the "proof" I've seen about the 9/11 conspiracy is of the same caliber.
No, absolutely not.

There is a huge amount of proof that 9/11 was an inside job carried out by the U.S. government.

You might check out this Web site for starters:

http://www.911truth.org/

What will it take to convince you there was "Conspiracy" in the terror attacks of 9/11/01? What type of evidence or facts do you need? I don't really care about the other trolls and noobs, because they come and go but you stand up and speak your mind, regardless of the wall of facts that are thrown at you. Daily. Are you unable or unwilling to open your mind to the idea that there is no government/Illuminati type group conspiracy or do you believe the evidence that you have laid out here?

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

Patriot911 wrote: psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: So all you have for "proof" is conclusions you've drawn from what YOU consider suspicious behavior? Wow. Talk about weak! Unfortunately most of the "proof" I've seen about the 9/11 conspiracy is of the same caliber.
No, absolutely not.

There is a huge amount of proof that 9/11 was an inside job carried out by the U.S. government.

You might check out this Web site for starters:

http://www.911truth.org/

You keep saying this and then pointing to web sites with known lies on them.
Lies such as ... ??

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

BigOMG wrote: psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: So all you have for "proof" is conclusions you've drawn from what YOU consider suspicious behavior? Wow. Talk about weak! Unfortunately most of the "proof" I've seen about the 9/11 conspiracy is of the same caliber.
No, absolutely not.

There is a huge amount of proof that 9/11 was an inside job carried out by the U.S. government.

You might check out this Web site for starters:

http://www.911truth.org/

What will it take to convince you there was "Conspiracy" in the terror attacks of 9/11/01? What type of evidence or facts do you need? I don't really care about the other trolls and noobs, because they come and go but you stand up and speak your mind, regardless of the wall of facts that are thrown at you. Daily. Are you unable or unwilling to open your mind to the idea that there is no government/Illuminati type group conspiracy or do you believe the evidence that you have laid out here?
The first part of your post is logically/cognitively inconsistent with the end of your post.

I blame the public schools.

To answer your question, yes there is a conspiracy in our government and major corporations. I've seen it w/ my own two eyes. If you can present some facts that prove the government was not involved in 9/11, I'd be happy to take a look at them.

BigOMG · Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:51 pm Post subject:

psholtz wrote: BigOMG wrote: psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: So all you have for "proof" is conclusions you've drawn from what YOU consider suspicious behavior? Wow. Talk about weak! Unfortunately most of the "proof" I've seen about the 9/11 conspiracy is of the same caliber.
No, absolutely not.

There is a huge amount of proof that 9/11 was an inside job carried out by the U.S. government.

You might check out this Web site for starters:

http://www.911truth.org/

What will it take to convince you there was "Conspiracy" in the terror attacks of 9/11/01? What type of evidence or facts do you need? I don't really care about the other trolls and noobs, because they come and go but you stand up and speak your mind, regardless of the wall of facts that are thrown at you. Daily. Are you unable or unwilling to open your mind to the idea that there is no government/Illuminati type group conspiracy or do you believe the evidence that you have laid out here?
The first part of your post is logically/cognitively inconsistent with the end of your post.

I blame the public schools.

To answer your question, yes there is a conspiracy in our government and major corporations. I've seen it w/ my own two eyes. If you can present some facts that prove the government was not involved in 9/11, I'd be happy to take a look at them.

Sorry about that, I had to change a diaper in the middle and I've had few today.

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

BigOMG wrote: Sorry about that, I had to change a diaper in the middle and I've had few today.
You realize that your child is the property and the chattel of the State of Texas (I'm assuming that's where you live, judging by your profile). Ask any lawyer who specializes in divorce law if you don't believe me. Your child does not belong to you, and you have no legal rights or say over what happens to your child (none, at any rate, which trump those of the State, should the State decide to involve itself in your affairs), and you never will until you wake up and start asserting the rights and liberties which were entrusted to you as an American to protect and defend.

It's amazing to me that you'd go through the effort of changing his diapers, but you'd happily barter away his liberty and yours for the "safefy and comfort" of disbelieving that there are hard-core, serial-killer criminal thugs running our government.

Otacon · Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:43 am Post subject:

The 9/11 conspiracy is bulls**t. There isn't a shred of real evidence that the government carried out such an evil attack on it's own people. If the United States government is as evil as the conspiracy theorists make it out to be, then they would have just marched into Iraq without having a reason other than they wanted to remove Saddam from power.

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

Otacon wrote: The 9/11 conspiracy is bulls**t. There isn't a shred of real evidence that the government carried out such an evil attack on it's own people. If the United States government is as evil as the conspiracy theorists make it out to be, then they would have just marched into Iraq without having a reason other than they wanted to remove Saddam from power.
That's exactly what they did... :rotf:

Otacon · Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:04 am Post subject:

psholtz wrote: Otacon wrote: The 9/11 conspiracy is bulls**t. There isn't a shred of real evidence that the government carried out such an evil attack on it's own people. If the United States government is as evil as the conspiracy theorists make it out to be, then they would have just marched into Iraq without having a reason other than they wanted to remove Saddam from power.
That's exactly what they did... :rotf:

Yes, I know. However, conspiracy theorists claim that 9/11 was carried out so that they would be able to do such. This means that those conspiracy buffs are as full of s**t as a Christmas goose.