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[Gremlin]

Five years later and lets see where the public stands.
I will personally be attending one or more of these events in San Diego and i was wondering if anyone else was planning on doing the same. If i wasnt locked down here with work i would have made the trek to Washington DC on the 10th and NYC to the crime scene on the 11th. Such as life and i can only hope that the numbers will be present to show the criminals that we know what they did.

Hell if you are in McAllen Texas it would be worth it just to show up for the $1 beers. :wink:





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September 11, 2006


5 Years Later . . . Still Demanding Truth & Justice


Worldwide Events


As a service to our readers, 911Truth.org is compiling a list of events commemorating the 5th anniversary of 9/11. We are not officially organizing or endorsing any particular event, but encouraging the 52% of America with doubts about the "official story" to take action this year, by attending or hosting events throughout the land. Following are the events of which we're aware, listed alphabetically by state.

If you are planning an event and would like to have it listed here, please send details to webmaster@911truth.org.





U.S. Events


The Belly of the Beast -- Washington, DC
Crime Scene -- New York City, NY
San Diego, CA
San Francisco, CA
Santa Cruz, CA
Melbourne, FL
Palm Beach, FL
Chicago, IL
Peoria, IL
South Bend, IN
Lawrence, KS
Springfield, MA
Kansas City, MO
St. Paul, MN
Philadelphia, PA
McAllen, TX

International Events

London

U.S. EVENTS


WASHINGTON, DC


Sunday, September 10th - 7-9PM
Monday, September 11th - 7-9PM

Special Guests: Paul Thompson, author of The Terror Timeline and
Kyle F. Hence, Executive Producer of and Director of 9/11: Press for Truth

Landmarks E Street Cinema
555 11th Street NW (entrance on E Street between 10th and 11th
Street)--100% metro accessible from the Blue, Green, Orange, Red and Yellow
lines, Metro Center and/or Gallery Place/Chinatown metro stops

For more *details and background* about the film visit: http://www.911pressfortruth.com

TRAILER To view the trailer online go to: www.911pressfortruth.com
PURCHASE THE DVD NOW To order the DVD, due to be released on September 5th,
go to: cooperativeresearch.org/911_press_for_truth

All PRESS Inquiries to: Kyle F. Hence
kylehence@earthlink.net 401-935-7715

Promotional flyers available here.

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Thursday, Sept 14, 2006, 7-8:30 pm
Towers of Deception: The Media Cover-Up of 9/11
by Barrie Zwicker
An Illustrated Lecture with introduction by Webster Griffin Tarpley

In his new book, Towers of Deception, Canadian journalist and TV host Barrie Zwicker proves "beyond a reasonable doubt" that 9/11 was an inside job and criticizes the mainstream media for failing to ask basic questions about the official story. He examines cases of de facto censorship by the media and the psychological phenomenon of denial. He also discusses ?false flag? operations, psychological warfare, and the "Invisible Government", the powers pulling strings behind the scenes. Zwicker passionately urges people to speak truth to power and challenge all media.

Martin Luther King, Jr. Memorial Library, Auditorium, Lower Level A-5
901 G Street NW, Washington DC 20001-4531
Metro Center (Red, Orange & Blue lines). Use 11th Street Exit
Gallery Place/Chinatown (Red, Green & Yellow lines). Use 9th Street Exit



SAN DIEGO, CA


San Diegans for 9/11 Truth

Presents
9/11/01 5th Year Anniversary Event

Sunday, September 10th6:30pm

San Diegans for 9/11 Truth presents a 9/11/01 informational event including guest speakers, panel discussion, Q&A, music, and video highlights.

Joyce Beers Community Center
Hillcrest/Uptown Shopping Center
Vermont St., 1-1/2 blocks north of University Ave.

Guest Speakers:

Monica Mercedes Perez Jimenezdaughter of former CIA agent, Marita Lorenz, and Venezuelan President Marcos Perez Jimenez.

Professor Jesús NietoSDSU Faculty; Member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth www.st911.org

John LeonardPresident of Progressive Press,
publisher of 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made In USA by Webster Tarpley

DVDs/Books will be available $5 donation (no one turned away)

www.sd911truth.org
For more info: 619-222-2120 or email truth@sd911truth.org

SAN FRANCISCO, CA


5th Annual Rally and March for 9-11 Truth
This Year's Theme- "Impeach the Terrorists!"

Saturday, September 9th, 2006
Rally 10:00am in San Francisco at the Panhandle (between Oak and Fell at Ashbury),
10:30am March/Parade up Ashbury to Haight Street through Golden Gate Park
to Speedway Meadow (about 2 miles) to the

8th Annual 9-11 Power to the Peaceful Concert (www.powertothepeaceful.org),
featuring Michael Franti & Spearhead
Beginning at 11:00am, the free Concert & Social Justice Festival lasts until 5:00pm.
(NC Truth Alliance is co-sponsors of the Power to the Peaceful Concert/
Social Justice Festival and will have a booth there.)

9-11 Truth for Peace and Justice Rally and March sponsored by the
Northern California 9-11 Truth Alliance, 1-866-268-2320, www.communitycurrency.org, wwww.911truth.org, www.sf911truth.org.
To endorse, volunteer, contact Carol Brouillet, 650-857-0927, cbrouillet@igc.org
9-11 Truth Alliance info/events line 1-866-268-2320



September 11-12th, 2006- 9/11 Film Festival

Premiere of new film of David Ray Griffin- "9/11 the Myth and the Reality"
September 11, 2006, 6:30 pm
Grand Lake Theater
3200 Grand Lake Avenue
Oakland, California

Doors open at 6:00 each night, trailers, previews and shorts start at 6:30,
film premiere starts at 7:00. Q & A / discussion with the filmmaker follows each night.
This will be the world film premiere of David Ray Griffin's talk given at the Grand Lake Theater March 30, 2006 to a sold out audience. Griffin's presentation was videotaped with six cameras, and 9/11 filmmaker Ken Jenkins has illustrated the film with hundreds of graphics and clips. This video will likely become not only the definitive Griffin DVD, but will likely serve as the Loose Change for the older generations. Griffin condensed the highlights of his first two books on 9/11 into a dynamic presentation. A slightly shorter version of the same talk was given April 3rd at the prestigious Commonwealth Club in San Francisco, and much of the footage in the film is from that location. The premiere will be followed by a question and answer session with filmmaker and 9/11 activist Ken Jenkins

Co-sponsored by the Northern California 9-11 Truth Alliance
Full details at www.communitycurrency.org/events.



SANTA CRUZ, CA


Have You Ever Wondered What Really Happened on September 11, 2001?
Find Out What Did NOT Happen and Debunk the Myths.
On the 5th Anniversary of 9/11,
The Santa Cruz 9-11 Truth Network
presents
The underground blockbuster documentary,
LOOSE CHANGE 2nd Edition
including TV-footage you may have seen on 9/11 but was never shown again!!!
at the Rio Theatre, 1205 Soquel Avenue, Santa Cruz, CA

Monday, September 11th, 2006
Doors open at 6:30, Program at 7 p.m.
Advance tickets $5, Door $6
Tickets may be purchased at:
Streetlight Records 939 Pacific Ave, Santa Cruz
(831) 421-9200


MELBOURNE, FL


9-11 TRUTH CITIZEN SYMPOSIUM
Saturday, September 9th from 4:00 pm to 9:00 pm

Screening Alex Jones' TERRORSTORM & Dustin Mugford's 9-11 Revisited
Guest Host: syndicated radio host Jack Blood from the GCN Network
Dustin Mugford, Documentary film maker will be in attendance to answer questions
with Dr. Robert Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. who is running for
US Congress District 15 Florida

This event will be held on Saturday, September 9th from 4:00 pm to 9:00 pm., at the Metro Cinema Cafe at Metro West Plaza, 3020 W. New Haven Ave., West Melbourne, FL 32904, Phone: (321) 727-7819

The 9-11 TRUTH CITIZEN SYMPOSIUM: Melbourne, Florida is a grass roots, local-level event which continues the cause of examining and presenting the facts surrounding the Neo-Con Agenda and 9-11 as the pretext for the brutal on-going war in Iraq as well as the establishment's future plans for agression overseas and tyranny at home.

Hosted by Jack Blood, syndicated Texas Radio show host from Deadline Live, the symposium will provide exclusive screenings for two highly charged, fact filled documentaries; SEPTEMBER 11th REVISITED (newly edited version) by Dustin Mugford and TERROR STORM by Alex Jones. Both films explore the deepest aspects of 9-11 detailing government false flag terror operations rarely discussed in mainstream media. These highly acclaimed documentaries will leave you riveted in the realization that many 'offcial' explanations have been misleading at best.

After each documentary there will be a question and answer session followed by the rare opportunity to meet symposium presenters in person. Attendees are encouraged to network with others and discuss ways to spread the truth.

In an attempt to make the truth about 9-11 accessible to all, The 9-11 TRUTH CITIZEN SYMPOSIUM: Melbourne, Florida will be free to the public, with 100 free DVD's of Alex Jones' TerrorStorm going to the first 100 attendees to sign up.

NOTE: You must RSVP to attend this event! Do not delay attendance is extremely limited!

Click here for the latest info on the website: 911truth.gothinkblog.com
Click here for the printable full color flyer to share with others:
911truth.gothinkblog.com/info/event_poster.pdf
Click here for the latest press release: 911truth.gothinkblog.com/info/press_release.pdf

PALM BEACH, FL




LET'S TURN AMERICA BLUE!!!
Rick Neuhoff
Palm Beach County DEC VOICE Committee
Phone 561.358.0830
Fax 561.733.9733
AIM DishNetTV

CHICAGO, IL


Details: Contact gary@lonelantern.org or Dave@lonelantern.org



Rock for 9/11 TRUTH: Music, Movies, Memory

Join us for a free event to honor the heroes, remember the victims, and discover the truth of 9/11. On September 11th, 2006. you are invited to celebrate the lives of heroes in the form of music, movie previews, and moving talks. The time to demand a fair and impartial re-investigation of 9/11 is now.

The Lone Lantern Society will host Chicago Bands, ChemTrails and Something Beautiful, 9/11 Movie Previews, and LLS founder, Gary Franchi will be the Master of Ceremonies. 9/11 DVDs will be distributed and there will be FREE food and drink for all. Location: ELBO ROOM CHICAGO

..

Join the Lone Lantern Freedom Ride!

From LA to Chicago to New York for the 5th anniversary of homegrown terror. Busses are being chartered to take the 9/11 Truth movement across the country to join with our brothers and sisters in the NY movement. Pay tribute to the fallen, and raise public awareness at "Ground Zero" Early bird sign up special $90, late sign up (after 8/1) $110



PEORIA, IL


"9/11: Press for Truth" with Paul Thompson

SATURDAY, 9/9 at 3:30 P.M. & MONDAY, 9/11 at 4:00 P.M.

MAIN DOWNTOWN BRANCH PEORIA PUBLIC LIBRARY, BASEMENT AUDITORIUM

Paul Thompson, the author of the definitive 9/11 Timeline (published by Harper Collins as The Terror Timeline) will introduce the film 9/11: Press for Truth Saturday, September 9 at 3:30 p.m. in the Basement Auditorium of the Main Downtown Branch of the Peoria Public Library, 107 N.E. Monroe Street (corner of Monroe and Main across from the Federal Building). The film will run at 3:50 p.m. and Thompson will answer questions and discuss it with the audience at 5:15 p.m.. The program is free and open to the public.

The film, 9/11: Press for Truth, chronicles the lobbying efforts of five members of the 9/11 Family Steering Committee (also known as the "Jersey Girls") to establish an independent commission to investigate the attacks. In November 2002, an official 9/11 Commission was formed. But it was underfunded, powerless, and rife with conflicts of interest. Its final report has been widely criticized for its omissions and distortions of the evidence.

9/11: Press For Truth, in presenting the families story, stitches together rare, overlooked news clips, buried stories, and government press conferences, revealing a pattern of official lies, deception, and spin. The film highlights the Jersey Girls' discovery of Thompsons 9/11 Timeline and how they used the facts presented in it to eventually publicly repudiate the 9/11 Commission's work. For more information about 9/11: Press for Truth and a preview trailer go to: www.911pressfortruth.org.

The film showing is part of an all day 9/11 video screening marathon starting with Dave Von Kleists In Plane Site at 10 a.m., Dustin Mugfords 9/11 Revisited at 11:25 a.m., Jason Bermas, Dylan Averys, and Korey Rowes Loose Change 2 at 12:35 p.m., John J. Albaneses Everybodys Gotta Learn Sometime at 2:10 p.m., Thompsons introductory remarks at 3:30 p.m., 9/11: Press for Truth at 3:50 p.m., and questions and answers with discussion by Thompson at 5:15 p.m..

The 9/11 video screening marathon continues on Monday, September 11, in the Basement Auditorium with Michel Chossudovskys War and Globalization: The Truth Behind 9/11 at 4:00 p.m., Questions/Answers video with Chossudovsky at 5:00 p.m., and a video interview with Chossudovsky at 5:30 p.m., USAF Lt. Col. Robert Bowmans Indict for Treason Those Responsible for 9/11 at 6:10 p.m. and Alex Jones TerrorStorm at 6:50 p.m..

For more information about the events contact: Jim Senyszyn (309) 689-9772, jnsenyszyn@insightbb.com

SOUTH BEND, IN


"9/11 and the American Empire"

Monday, September 11, 2006 at 6:00 p.m.-9:00 p.m.

A video presentation of the 9/11 truth movement. In this talk, author David Ray Griffin addresses an audience at the University of Wisconsin, Madison in April 2005. He begins with a discussion of the term "American Empire" and then moves on to consider the evidence for government and military complicity in the events of September 11, 2001. 90 minutes.

SPECIAL GUEST: Kevin Ryan, former Site Manager for Environmental Health Laboratories (in South Bend), a division of Underwriters Laboratories, will be at this event and talk about his experiences as a 9/11 whistleblower.

There will be time after Kevin's talk and after the video for questions from the audience.

Monday, September 11, 2006 at 6:00 p.m.-9:00 p.m.
St. Joseph County Public Library
Main Branch - Colfax Auditorium
304 S. Main St.
South Bend, IN 46601
(574) 282-4630



LAWRENCE, KS



WHY IS THERE A 9-11 TRUTH MOVEMENT?

Monday evening, 9/11/06, 7:00 p.m.

IN THE FIFTH YEAR AFTER SEPTEMBER 11, 2001, the U.S. government still has not answered the most important questions about what really happened, and the official 9/11 Commission has failed to ask. An expanding body of evidence, supported by structural engineers, scientists, official documents, and eyewitness testimony, directly contradicts the official story. Major news outlets have failed to report these inconsistencies, and on this day, 2006,
hundreds of groups from all over the country will be gathering with the American public
to bring this truth to light.

Decide for yourself. Ask questions. Demand Answers.

Monday Sept. 11th 2006
Tribal Vision will be hosting a screening of the documentary:
Loose Change: 2nd Edition at Liberty Hall.
644 Massachussetts. Lawrence, KS. 7pm.
$2 admission to cover theater rental and flyer costs.
All other proceeds will go towards 9-11 truth outreach and awareness projects.

Free DVD's of Loose Change will be handed out with permission (and encouragement)
from the film-makers.

Visit www.911truth.org - www.loosechange911.com - www.911research.wtc7.net >br?for more information.

email: timhjersted (at) yahoo (dot) com

SPRINGFIELD, MA


Land of the Free, Home of the Brave?

Two events Monday, September 11, 12 noon & 7pm:

FREEDOM OF SPEECH DEMONSTRATION
in front of the FEDERAL BUILDING at 1550 Main Street; Springfield, MA
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SEPTEMBER 11, 2006
12:00 noon, Monday
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In response to 9/11 Investigation Cover-up and the lies perpetrated by the Bush administration
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"It is already possible to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, one very important thing:
the destruction of the World Trade Center was an inside job, orchestrated by terrorists within our own government."
-- David Ray Griffin, author of The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions

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September 11, 2006 at 7:00 pm

LOOSE CHANGE 2nd Edition
First Churches, Northampton, Centre and Main streets; discussion following film.
Western Mass 9/11 Truth Activists will be holding educational and
organizational meetings for 9/11/06 Tuesdays, 6:30 to 9:30pm
--details at http://9-11.meetup.com/270

For information and 9/11 DVDs, email: westernmass911truth@yahoo.com

For updated reports and excellent 9/11 resources - www.FlybyNews.com

Please consider watching and sharing films that provide visual and scientific evidence that the World Trade Center Towers were most likely toppled by controlled demolition, including building .. 7, untouched by the airplanes. Get DVDs for $1 each, plus mailing. Call Jeremy Lynes (404) 892-7114 or by email: linelites@bellsouth.net

"9/11 Truth is a very important issue with the power to bring lasting change to our country." -- William Sloane Coffin



KANSAS CITY, MO


9/11 Films and Organizational Gathering

Sunday, 9/10/06, Noon-8pm and Monday, 9/11/06 5-9pm

Uptown Theater, 3700 Broadway (Broadway & Valentine)
in midtown Kansas City, Missouri
Map

Sunday: Five Films--beginning at 12pm
American Empire and the Christian Faith by David Ray Griffin
9/11: The Great Illusion by George Humphrey
9/11 Revisited (featuring Professor Steven Jones) by Michael Berger
Loose Change 2nd Edition, by Louder Than Words

Monday: Kanas City Premieres--
5pm, 9/11: Presss for Truth and 7pm, Terrorstorm

To help promote the events, please distribute this flyer and contact
Reed Simpson, webmaster@freedomkc.org or Janice Matthews, Janice@911truth.org

Sponsors: KC911truth.org & the Constitution and Freedom Society

ST PAUL, MN


Remember 9/11: What Really Happened?
Monday, September 11, 2006, 6:30 -- 10:00 PM

Sponsored by MN911 and the MN 9/11 Questions Meetup Group, http://9-11.meetup.com/253/

When: Monday, September 11, 2006, 6:30 -- 10:00 PM (US Central Time)

What: An event to commemorate 9/11/2001 at its 5-year anniversary. Includes screening of the documentary film "9/11 Press for Truth". For more info and to reserve a seat with RSVP, please visit
http://pressfortruth.bravenewtheaters.com/screening/show/5558-st-paul.
The event is free, but donations will be welcomed. Summary of progam:
* Short remarks from a 9/11 family member, a 9/11 emergency responder, and some others.
* A documentary film about 9/11, "9/11 Press for Truth". More info and online trailer available at www.911pressfortruth.com/.
* Music by local musicians, refreshments, and time for discussion.

Where: The event will be held in a residence/business located in what was once a Masonic temple (a little irony here). The place is located at 1190 James Ave., St. Paul MN, 55105, in the Highland neighborhood of St. Paul.

Who: We invite any and all, particularly those interested in any of the following or in watching a good movie: remembering the victims and families of 9/11; honoring the heroes of 9/11; understanding open issues regarding 9/11 events and their implications for our country; networking with activists working to discover and disseminate the truth about 9/11 for the sake of promoting peace, justice, and liberty in the US and around the world.

More information: http://pressfortruth.bravenewtheaters.com/screening/show/5558-st-paul

This event will be followed by another, on September 23, "What is a False Flag Operation? Historical Information, 7/7, 9/11" More information is available at the MN 9/11 Questions Meetup Group site, http://9-11.meetup.com/253/.

NEW YORK CITY




Frequent uUpdates and full information at www.ny911truth.org

Be part of history.
Come to NYC for the 5th anniversary of 9/11,
the new Pearl Harbor event which shocked and awed the world.

The weekend will be one mass demonstration of 9/11 truth actions
from Fri. evening Sept. 8th through Mon. Sept. 11
comprised of keynote speaker events, films, forums, and outreach actions!

Partial speaker list*:
Alex Jones, Bob Bowman, Barrie Zwicker, Ralph Shoenman, Ian Woods,
Barbara Honegger, William Pepper, Wayne Madsen, Jesse Richard,
Jim Fetzer, Dr. Faiz Kahn, Kevin Barrett, Jim Marrs

On Sunday, Sept. 10th well preview
Loose Change Final Cut and be entertained by Immortal Technique.

On Mon. the 11th, we need to have thousands of truth patriots
in black T-shirts at Ground Zero, New York City
at 8 am for a dignified, respectful display of
solidarity with the victims and their families.

Let's end the cover-up, investigate the evidence,
and create a wave of justice to prosecute the real crimes!
Join us as we make September "9/11 Truth Breakthrough Month"
on the street, on the web, and in the eyes of the world.

Sponsor: ny911truth.org
Email: info@ny911truth.org

Make plans NOW!
See http://www.ny911truth.org/events/5th_anniversary.htm
for overview, schedule and NYC info.
Check back every week for updates.





PHILADELPHIA, PA


Events planned for Saturday, September 9 -- More details to be announced soon!

Watch www.pa911visibility.com or Contact Wendi Polinow at wendi@pa911visibility.com

McALLEN, TX




9/11 Truth Protest
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When: Monday, September 11, 2006 @ 04:30 PM CDT - 07:00 PM CDT

Where: Across street from Federal Building, corner of Bicentennial & Bus. 83, McAllen, TX 78503

Description: Come Protest what is going to be the 5 year anniversary of the tragic events of September 11th which was an inside job orchestrated by our own government. Five years later and NO new independent investigation is too long for this injustice. We have to fix the problems at home before we can fix the problems overseas.

Also: September 10, 2006 -- Film Festival -- 3 Films for a buck! (And $1 beers!)

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More details at: www.myspace.com/Rgv911Truth

INTERNATIONAL EVENTS

LONDON


Nineeleven.co.uk Presents

David Ray Griffin,
Author of The New Pearl Harbour & The 9/11 Commission Report Omissions & Distortions
+
David Shayler,
MI5 Whistleblower

Was 9/11 an inside job?

David Ray Griffin, a retired Professor of Theology addresses this question in his two books which critically examine the official account of the events of 9/11. Now for the first time in the UK, David Ray Griffin will present his case for the urgent need to re-open the investigation into the events of 11th September 2001.

7.30pm - Saturday 9th September 2006

Buy your tickets online now!

Tickets:
Early Bird (on or before Aug 15th): £7.50 (Concessions £5.00)
From Aug 16th: £10.00 (Concessions £7.50)
Ticket Hotline: 0845 108 1736
Online Booking: www.911truthtotnes.com
Email: tickets@911truthtotnes.com

Location:
Conway Hall, Red Lion Square, London WC1R 4RL
Nearest Tube: Holborn or Chancery Lane

Doors Open at 6.45pm

[Patriot911]

"Truth" movement? :lol: You still won't even listen to the truth, much less accept it. It should be called the Anti Truth Movement because it constantly moves away from the truth even as new evidence is uncovered.

What evidence do you have that 9/11 was done by the government? Come on..... a conspiracy of this size and magnitude would have left SOME hard evidence behind.

Yet there is new evidence coming forward that the conspiracies are a lie. The response from the conspiracy community? They are working hard trying to come up with a lie to cover their butts. How pathetic! Specifically I am refering to the fact that a demolitions company doing several other jobs in the Manhatten area had seismographs in the area. They are sensitive enough that they will pick up explosives going off inside a building. They show zero evidence of explosives.

This is exactly what I am talking about. Conspiracy theorists are NOT out looking for the truth despite what they claim. They don't look at this new evidence and discuss its validity. They don't say "We need to examine this new evidence". They don't want to be bothered with anything other than something that will prove their preconceived notion that the government was behind 9/11.

Here is an example. The response to the new evidence from the seismograms was this:

Mr. Ryan wrote: Asked for comment, Mr. Ryan said that his online 9/11 journal would soon publish an article on those seismic recordings. He also maintained that the Protec paper did not adequately address why puffs of smoke were seen being expelled from some of the floors.

There are several very good, plausible and much more likely explanations for the "puffs of smoke" being air instead of the explosives, yet conspiracy theorists who have never been able to prove the puffs were from the theoretical explosives used. Yet they use the unproven theory that the puffs of smoke were from explosives to prove the seismographs were lying. I don't know about you, but using unproven facts to disprove known facts is not looking for the truth. It is looking for excuses no matter how pathetic it makes your "movement" seem.

Conspiracy theorists remind me of cult members. They blindly follow their cult leaders and believe anything they say. They can't defend what their leaders say, they can't explain the discrepancies in what their leaders say and they most certainly will ignore any evidence that their leaders are lying through their collective asses. Pretty sad really.

Here is a conspiracy for all you theorists out there. I've made the claim that conspiracy theorists in general act very much like cult members. They believe what they are told and ignore any evidence to the contrary. You have Alex Jones and Steven Jones as two of the primary leaders of the conspiracy theory movement. What if Steven Jones and Alex Jones are related to Jim Jones and all the conspiracy theorists are going to literally end up drinking the koolaid? ;-) Think about it......

[psholtz]

Patriot911 wrote: What evidence do you have that 9/11 was done by the government? Come on..... a conspiracy of this size and magnitude would have left SOME hard evidence behind.
It did leave a huge amount of evidence behind..

The government didn't get away w/ it.. They got caught red-handed.

The problem is you're dealing w/ a nation where 1/2 the high school grads (probably more) can't even find Iraq on a map.

There's no "conspiracy" obfucasting from you where exactly Iraq is located. It's "hidden" in plain view for all to see. The problem is most don't see it b/c they're just too damn stupid.

Same w/ 9/11..

All the evidence is there. You just have to look at it.

[Patriot911]

psholtz wrote: Patriot911 wrote: What evidence do you have that 9/11 was done by the government? Come on..... a conspiracy of this size and magnitude would have left SOME hard evidence behind.
It did leave a huge amount of evidence behind..

The government didn't get away w/ it.. They got caught red-handed.

The problem is you're dealing w/ a nation where 1/2 the high school grads (probably more) can't even find Iraq on a map.

There's no "conspiracy" obfucasting from you where exactly Iraq is located. It's "hidden" in plain view for all to see. The problem is most don't see it b/c they're just too damn stupid.

Same w/ 9/11..

All the evidence is there. You just have to look at it.

Yet every request I've made to show me evidence has gone unanswered. I have yet to see one piece of real evidence. Claiming everyone but the people who can "see" the conspiracy are stupid doesn't cut it.

Want to know what I think is stupid? People who take assumptions, faulty logic, lies and misinformation, pretend like they have all the answers, and then mock anyone who doesn't take these same assumptions, faulty logic, lies and misinformation and believe them as facts.

Wake up. Look at the real facts. Quit pretending you're so superior to everyone else in intellect. We know where Iraq is. We know what happened. We know there were no explosives. We know Al Qaeda under Osama Bin Laden attacked the US.

[Gremlin]

Patriot911 wrote: Want to know what I think is stupid? People who take assumptions, faulty logic, lies and misinformation, pretend like they have all the answers, and then mock anyone who doesn't take these same assumptions, faulty logic, lies and misinformation and believe them as facts.




what irony

[Patriot911]

Gremlin wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Want to know what I think is stupid? People who take assumptions, faulty logic, lies and misinformation, pretend like they have all the answers, and then mock anyone who doesn't take these same assumptions, faulty logic, lies and misinformation and believe them as facts.


what irony

The only irony would be that you are so egotistical that you believe you have all the answers. Truth of the matter is you don't. You want to hold on to your lies in the face of incontrovertable truths. You can't debate the facts so you run away and make trollish comments like "what irony", and then try and convince everyone you are out for the "truth". Pretty funny coming from a guy who has turned his back on the truth in order to pursue his agenda of hate against the government.

[cap'n queasy]

The thing conspiracy mavens don't understand is that this is a cottage industry. :lol:

Spend your money chumps.

[GNOMEchomsky]

Gremlin wrote: i can only hope that the numbers will be present to show the criminals that we know what they did.

Don't worry about that. There will be thousands of people marching on September 11th, not to mention lectures and discussions. I would be there if I could.

[Patriot911]

Out of hundreds of millions of people, a thousand gullible people are bound to exist. It doesn't prove anything other than people are gullible and people like Alex Jones will continue to make a living off of their gullability.

[Gremlin]

Patriot911 wrote: The only irony would be that you are so egotistical that you believe you have all the answers.


wrong.


Patriot911 wrote: Truth of the matter is you don't.


correct.



Patriot911 wrote: You want to hold on to your lies in the face of incontrovertable truths.



wrong again.


Patriot911 wrote: You can't debate the facts so you run away and make trollish comments like "what irony", and then try and convince everyone you are out for the "truth". Pretty funny coming from a guy who has turned his back on the truth in order to pursue his agenda of hate against the government.


more irony back in my previous post (mocking), referring to the attempt at character assassination.

[GNOMEchomsky]

Patriot911 wrote: Out of hundreds of millions of people, a thousand gullible people are bound to exist. It doesn't prove anything other than people are gullible and people like Alex Jones will continue to make a living off of their gullability.

Uhhh, don't mean to make you look stupid but there aren't hundreds of millions of people who live in NYC. There is actually only 8 million. And I didn't say A THOUSAND, I said thousands.

Here's an interesting fact, the MAJORITY of New Yorkers believe that Bush had something to do with 9/11. The people from the city that was attacked who also happen to be some of the most intelligent people in the U.S. If the people from the actual city that was attacked believe Bush did it, that's something to take seriously.

I bet you also think that Giuliani was good for NYC and that he has "really cleaned up the city". Most Americans believe this but if you ask the average New Yorker they will tell you that Giuliani is a fascist, RACIST piece of s**t who made NYC the corporate cesspool that it is today.

I point this out because it proves that your corporate media does not properly represent the voice of the people. To put it lightly.

[Patriot911]

GNOMEchomsky wrote: Patriot911 wrote: Out of hundreds of millions of people, a thousand gullible people are bound to exist. It doesn't prove anything other than people are gullible and people like Alex Jones will continue to make a living off of their gullability.

Uhhh, don't mean to make you look stupid but there aren't hundreds of millions of people who live in NYC. There is actually only 8 million. And I didn't say A THOUSAND, I said thousands.

Sorry. Only person you make look stupid is yourself. Current population of the US? 298,444,215 (July 2006 est.) Lets see...... 298+ million people does indeed qualify as hundreds of millions of people, does it not? You're the idiot who assumed for some strange reason I was only talking about NYC. Most people are intelligent enough to figure out that I must be talking about the whole US if I am saying hundreds of millions of people.

My point still stands. A couple thousand gullible people are bound to exist out of a population of hundreds of millions of people.

GNOMEchomsky wrote: Here's an interesting fact, the MAJORITY of New Yorkers believe that Bush had something to do with 9/11. The people from the city that was attacked who also happen to be some of the most intelligent people in the U.S. If the people from the actual city that was attacked believe Bush did it, that's something to take seriously.
They are entitled to their opinion, but what does it prove? Exactly squat. People use to believe the world was flat including the most intelligent people in the world at that time. Does it mean they were right? No.

GNOMEchomsky wrote: I bet you also think that Giuliani was good for NYC and that he has "really cleaned up the city". Most Americans believe this but if you ask the average New Yorker they will tell you that Giuliani is a fascist, RACIST piece of s**t who made NYC the corporate cesspool that it is today.
And this has WHAT to do with ANYTHING other than to show you don't like Giuliani? And just to see if you are full of s**t or not, I called some friends in New York and asked them what they thought of Giuliani. Then I told them what you said the average New Yorker believes. They agreed with me that you are full of s**t.

GNOMEchomsky wrote: I point this out because it proves that your corporate media does not properly represent the voice of the people. To put it lightly.
"My" corporate media? What does that have to do with anything? I don't get my news from the standard media sources and don't believe everything they say.

And I take it YOU believe you represent the voice of the people? :rofl: :moon:

[trever]

GNOMEchomsky wrote:

Here's an interesting fact, the MAJORITY of New Yorkers believe that Bush had something to do with 9/11. The people from the city that was attacked who also happen to be some of the most intelligent people in the U.S. If the people from the actual city that was attacked believe Bush did it, that's something to take seriously.

am very curious where this opinion is taken from?

[Patriot911]

trever wrote: GNOMEchomsky wrote:

Here's an interesting fact, the MAJORITY of New Yorkers believe that Bush had something to do with 9/11. The people from the city that was attacked who also happen to be some of the most intelligent people in the U.S. If the people from the actual city that was attacked believe Bush did it, that's something to take seriously.

am very curious where this opinion is taken from?

Unless you're a proctologist and don't mind certain rank smells, you probably don't really want to know where he pulled that "fact" from.... :lol:

[GNOMEchomsky]

Patriot911 wrote: Sorry. Only person you make look stupid is yourself. Current population of the US? 298,444,215 (July 2006 est.) Lets see...... 298+ million people does indeed qualify as hundreds of millions of people, does it not? You're the idiot who assumed for some strange reason I was only talking about NYC. Most people are intelligent enough to figure out that I must be talking about the whole US if I am saying hundreds of millions of people.

Yeah I know. But we were talking about NYC and you bring up hundreds of millions of people as if were talking about the whole U.S. Pay attention, for pete's sake.

Quote: They are entitled to their opinion, but what does it prove? Exactly squat. People use to believe the world was flat including the most intelligent people in the world at that time. Does it mean they were right? No.

Uhh, but the people who believed that the earth was flat believed that because they were told so by their leaders. This is exactly why people have a tough time believing that the Bush admin had anything to do with it. Guys, wake up! THE EARTH IS ROUND!!!

Quote: And this has WHAT to do with ANYTHING other than to show you don't like Giuliani? And just to see if you are full of s**t or not, I called some friends in New York and asked them what they thought of Giuliani. Then I told them what you said the average New Yorker believes. They agreed with me that you are full of s**t.

I told you so at the end of my post. But to make my point more obvious, the people who's lives are directly affected by an event are more likely to know what's going on. And let me guess, you're either full of s**t about your "friend" in NYC or he/she is not a native new yorker and has only been there for a few years or so?

Quote: And I take it YOU believe you represent the voice of the people? :rofl: :moon:

I have nothing to gain by lying, unlike the corporate media. Which brings me to an interesting point. Why would anyone be lying about this? What do we have to gain by having this "alternative theory"? Nothing besides enemies and a lot of pointless arguments.

[GNOMEchomsky]

trever wrote: GNOMEchomsky wrote:

Here's an interesting fact, the MAJORITY of New Yorkers believe that Bush had something to do with 9/11. The people from the city that was attacked who also happen to be some of the most intelligent people in the U.S. If the people from the actual city that was attacked believe Bush did it, that's something to take seriously.

am very curious where this opinion is taken from?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40257

[BigOMG]

Wouldn't this be considered spamming? Shouldn't he have to pay for this free advertising?

[Gremlin]

BigOMG wrote: Wouldn't this be considered spamming? Shouldn't he have to pay for this free advertising?


Use the report post function if it bothers you that much.

[Wizard From Oz]

Quote: Uhh, but the people who believed that the earth was flat believed that because they were told so by their leaders. This is exactly why people have a tough time believing that the Bush admin had anything to do with it. Guys, wake up! THE EARTH IS ROUND!!!

ha ha - thats cute - they only believed the world was flat because you think they did. As early as 300BC the Greeks new it was round. Columbus knew it was round. In fact everyone knew it was round. It is simply an urban myth that people thought the world is round

And for the rest of your posts - two words

Fifth Columnist

[Rankor and Pissing]

Sorry, I wasted all my allotted "conspiracy" time in this life on the JFK debacle only to find out... there was no magic bullet, there was no second shot from the grassy knoll, there was no CIA or Cuban conspiracy - the mob didn't "whack" JFK... it was... *gasp*... Lee Harvey Oswald.

Imagine.

So I can't waste my time thinking about fictional events that didn't happen because the "real" version of things is too boring and we have to make it "better" by thinking up cool stuff that pins it on the government.

If you find any blast caps or hard evidence that normal people can actually see, test, handle and touch... take pictures!