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universum · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 49

free trade

positive interaction with the rest of the world

against homophobia and all manifestations of discrimination against gays, lesbians, bisexual and trans-gender people

against all forms of national chauvinism, discrimination and segregation, racist ideologies and practices

against privately owned medicare and social security

universal health care

multilateralism and internationalism

anti-globalism

tax relief on the poor

promotion of basic civil liberties around the world

environmentalism

strict gun-control laws

democracy

less censorship

funding research for alternative fuel

against the proliferation of nuclear and biological weapons

pro-choice

more support for the United Nations

for abolishing the death penalty

pacifism

That's what I think, but I'm not sure which party this aligns with.

Stygma · Joined: 28 Sep 2005 Posts: 1339 Location: Boulder, Colorado

Quote: free trade
But what about other aspects of your platform that contradict that?
Quote: anti-globalism
Quote: environmentalism

You're basically a democrat, except for the free trade part of your platform. :roll:

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 14747 Location: Florida

universum wrote: free trade

positive interaction with the rest of the world

against homophobia and all manifestations of discrimination against gays, lesbians, bisexual and trans-gender people

against all forms of national chauvinism, discrimination and segregation, racist ideologies and practices

against privately owned medicare and social security

universal health care

multilateralism and internationalism

anti-globalism

tax relief on the poor

promotion of basic civil liberties around the world

environmentalism

strict gun-control laws

democracy

less censorship

funding research for alternative fuel

against the proliferation of nuclear and biological weapons

pro-choice

more support for the United Nations

for abolishing the death penalty

pacifism

That's what I think, but I'm not sure which party this aligns with.

The insane party? In other words, it's closest to the democrats.

WHile I understand a lot of those (I don't agree with them necessarily, but do understand them), I don't know the difference between internationalism (which you support) and globalism (which you are against).

universum · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 49

I can see where those policies contradict eachother, my intent was to go for a more moderate platform. I meant that I believe that we should have free trade with other nations. However, human rights should be put ahead of economic concerns. I also believe that we should advocate the values of democracy (in a nonviolent way, of course). Just look at the United Nations.

Maybe my interpretations of globalism and internationalism are incorrect.

Ragnar Danneskjold · Joined: 11 Oct 2005 Posts: 2628 Location: Mulligan's Valley

Your a dem.

universum · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 49

Ragnar Danneskjöld wrote: Your a dem.

I think you are correct.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 14747 Location: Florida

universum wrote: I can see where those policies contradict eachother, my intent was to go for a more moderate platform. I meant that I believe that we should have free trade with other nations. However, human rights should be put ahead of economic concerns. I also believe that we should advocate the values of democracy (in a nonviolent way, of course). Just look at the United Nations.

Maybe my interpretations of globalism and internationalism are incorrect.

The UN hardly advocates the values of democracy. When Zimbabwe is a member of the Human Rights Committee, you know the organization is totally corrupt.

universum · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 49

I see. But in general I think the UN is a good idea, maybe it just needs cleaning up. It isn't really the UN's place to advocate decmocracy.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 14747 Location: Florida

universum wrote: I see. But in general I think the UN is a good idea, maybe it just needs cleaning up. It isn't really the UN's place to advocate decmocracy.

The idea is good, but the idea behind communism is good. The problem is that it doesnt (and can't) work.

universum · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 49

perdidochas wrote: universum wrote: I see. But in general I think the UN is a good idea, maybe it just needs cleaning up. It isn't really the UN's place to advocate decmocracy.

The idea is good, but the idea behind communism is good. The problem is that it doesnt (and can't) work.

You have a point...

"Peace is not a relationship of nations. It is a condition of mind brought about by a serenity of soul. Peace is not merely the absence of war. It is also a state of mind. Lasting peace can come only to peaceful people."

Jawaharlal Nehru (1889 - 1964)

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7657

universum wrote: free trade

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universum wrote: positive interaction with the rest of the world

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universum wrote: against homophobia and all manifestations of discrimination against gays, lesbians, bisexual and trans-gender people

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universum wrote: against all forms of national chauvinism, discrimination and segregation, racist ideologies and practices

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universum wrote: against privately owned medicare and social security

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universum wrote: universal health care

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universum wrote: multilateralism and internationalism

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universum wrote: anti-globalism

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universum wrote: tax relief on the poor

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universum wrote: promotion of basic civil liberties around the world

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universum wrote: environmentalism

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universum wrote: strict gun-control laws

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universum wrote: democracy

Philosophically: :td: Politically: :tu:

universum wrote: less censorship

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universum wrote: funding research for alternative fuel

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universum wrote: against the proliferation of nuclear and biological weapons

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universum wrote: pro-choice

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universum wrote: more support for the United Nations

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universum wrote: for abolishing the death penalty

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universum wrote: pacifism

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bigstick61 · Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:15 am Post subject:

Liberal Democrat for sure.

firebolder · Joined: 21 Aug 2006 Posts: 7 Location: not where you are

Defiantly a dem,

And the UN is the most useless organization on the plant all they do is talk about peace but do nothing to make peace (and when they try they make it worse)

zero18 · Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 6965 Location: Illinois

universum wrote: free trade

Agreed. However, be wary of how that is used. Promoters of NAFTA and CAFTA say they advocate free trade but its anything but.

Quote: positive interaction with the rest of the world

Positive interaction is essential to peace. Free trade is fundamental to that. But I don't like, as Washington put it, "entangling alliances".

Quote: against homophobia and all manifestations of discrimination against gays, lesbians, bisexual and trans-gender people

against all forms of national chauvinism, discrimination and segregation, racist ideologies and practices

I am also against all those. But how would you approach those issues in government? Would you throw racists and discriminators into jail? To me, freedom of speech is important in a free country, even the speech of those you disagree with.

Quote: against privately owned medicare and social security

Social security is an outdated form of welfare. If people want to make an unwise investment choice and put their hard earned dollars into social security then let them, but I think Americans should be allowed to put their money somewhere else if they wish to do so. After all, isn't this supposed to be the land of the free?

Quote: universal health care

As if the government doesn't already dictate our medical decisions enough. :roll:

Quote: tax relief on the poor

I thought you don't like discrimination? :wink:

How about tax relief for everyone? Remove the immoral income tax and greatly reduce the overall tax burden on America (but that would also mean we have to decrease spending).

Quote: promotion of basic civil liberties around the world

Bush claims to be doing that right now.

Politicians do what they can to benefit themselves. Thats why you don't see America or any other country doing a whole lot to help Africans. Allow true free trade to flourish and you will see promotion of civil liberties.

Quote: environmentalism

You should go after the biggest polluter in the country, the United States Military.

Quote: strict gun-control laws

Gun ownership is essential to liberty. Once government is the only one with the guns it would be a lot easier for them to strip us of our rights.

Quote: democracy

If by democracy you mean allowing the majority take away rights of the minority (ie. telling me what I can drink, smoke, watch, read, etc) then I disagree.

Quote: less censorship

Agreed.

Quote: funding research for alternative fuel

Or the government can stop propping up the oil companies so alternative fuels can get onto the market.

Quote: against the proliferation of nuclear and biological weapons

Agreed. Although I am very pro-gun, weapons of mass destruction only have the purpose of killing many innocents.

Quote: pro-choice

Personally I'm pro-life, but I think its a states issue, not a federal issue. Do you advocate a pregnant teen using tax dollars to get her abortion?

Quote: more support for the United Nations

I do not wish to pour any more money into such a corrupt institution.

Quote: for abolishing the death penalty

Agreed. But once again, I think its a state issue.

Quote: pacifism

Agreed.

Quote: That's what I think, but I'm not sure which party this aligns with.

You seem like a democrat-leaning centrist.

thefranzkafkafront · Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:25 am Post subject:

You can't be free trade and then call for goverment intervention in the health care market.

Its contradictary, and thus you've coverted free trade to little more than a buzz word.

universum · Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 49

thefranzkafkafront wrote: You can't be free trade and then call for goverment intervention in the health care market.

Its contradictary, and thus you've coverted free trade to little more than a buzz word.

What I meant by free trade is international trade in services without tariffs or any other trade barriers. The way I see it, the government's duty is to do for the people what they can't do for themselves. I support both private and public health care. I think they should coexist, similar public and private schools.

The Grandmaster · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:11 pm Post subject:

universum wrote: free trade

positive interaction with the rest of the world

against homophobia and all manifestations of discrimination against gays, lesbians, bisexual and trans-gender people

against all forms of national chauvinism, discrimination and segregation, racist ideologies and practices

against privately owned medicare and social security

universal health care

multilateralism and internationalism

anti-globalism

tax relief on the poor

promotion of basic civil liberties around the world

environmentalism

strict gun-control laws

democracy

less censorship

funding research for alternative fuel

against the proliferation of nuclear and biological weapons

pro-choice

more support for the United Nations

for abolishing the death penalty

pacifism

That's what I think, but I'm not sure which party this aligns with.

Ragnar Danneskjöld wrote: Your a dem.

universum wrote: Ragnar Danneskjöld wrote: Your a dem.

I think you are correct.

bigstick61 wrote: Liberal Democrat for sure.

Welcome Brother.

We've been expecting you.

dkong911 · Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 593 Location: Arizona

universum wrote: I can see where those policies contradict eachother, my intent was to go for a more moderate platform. I meant that I believe that we should have free trade with other nations. However, human rights should be put ahead of economic concerns. I also believe that we should advocate the values of democracy (in a nonviolent way, of course). Just look at the United Nations.

Maybe my interpretations of globalism and internationalism are incorrect.

You mean, examine how ineffective the UN is as an organizational body?

I hope you weren't listing the UN as a positive example.

thefranzkafkafront · Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject:

universum wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: You can't be free trade and then call for goverment intervention in the health care market.

Its contradictary, and thus you've coverted free trade to little more than a buzz word.

What I meant by free trade is international trade in services without tariffs or any other trade barriers. The way I see it, the government's duty is to do for the people what they can't do for themselves. I support both private and public health care. I think they should coexist, similar public and private schools.

Well thats not what free trade is because you have goverment intervention from the word go.

Want to make a platform fine, but saying you support 'free trade' is completely misleading, becuase im afraid you don't.

seahawk37 · Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 34

I like the idea behind the United Nations but I don't know if it can truly do what its purpose is. The idea is to help " facilitate co-operation in international law, international security, economic development, and social equity." I don't believe we should allow decisions from the UN to supersede the decisions our country must make simply because certain countries disagree. I think the UN's goal should be to help promote peace and serve as a place where countries can work out differences and choose peace before war but I think the decision our Congress and President makes should be above the decisions of the UN.

Just my 2 cents...