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[Norbert]

Varyag wrote: LostSoul3412 wrote: Varyag wrote: There are many forms of statism that are not authoritarian, authoritarian is a bad name ..

"Baby killer" is a bad name too, but it doesn't stop me from being pro-choice. :wink:

No you're not a baby killer, that title is reserved for women who actually have abortions, your formal title is the feminists' lapdog, enjoy. Thats the difference between left and right, the right serves its own intrests, the left serves the intrests of weaklings who rub it into their face afterwards :lol:
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In truth, in the West, if you are white and male, you have no business being on the left unless you approve of weakening your own social and economic prospects.
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Quote: Also, the only thing that "authoritatian" means is that it is a government without formal restrictions upon it.

For example, the United Kingdom.

In political science terms, correct, even a libertarian government can in essense, be authoritarian, thats why I noted why it was a bad name. Still the more commonly associated definitions are these

–adjective
1. favoring complete obedience or subjection to authority as opposed to individual freedom: authoritarian principles; authoritarian attitudes.
2. of or pertaining to a governmental or political system, principle, or practice in which individual freedom is held as completely subordinate to the power or authority of the state, centered either in one person or a small group that is not constitutionally accountable to the people.
3. exercising complete or almost complete control over the will of another or of others: an authoritarian parent.
–noun
4. a person who favors or acts according to authoritarian principles.
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With this too, a statist government in its various forms does not have to adhere to those principles, except ofcourse fascism.

:dance:

[Revenant]

If anyone is willing to join an Authoritarian/Nationalist HQ, just PM me saying you'd join if one were created. I need something to work with when I PM an admin requesting the creation of a new group.

[agentkgb]

I'd support its creation (though I wouldn't join). The left has the Radical HQ I guess so I wouldn't want to be unfair to authoritarians.

[Varyag]

Revenant wrote: If anyone is willing to join an Authoritarian/Nationalist HQ,

No, call it nationalist or statist, as we've already determined authoritarian would be inaccurate.

Also I'm not exactly sure a pro-abortionist shouldn't be founding this HQ, since the whole purpose of any statist system is not to oversee the depletion of its own citizenry via pre-birth murders.

[LostSoul3412]

Varyag wrote: Also I'm not exactly sure a pro-abortionist shouldn't be founding this HQ, since the whole purpose of any statist system is not to oversee the depletion of its own citizenry via pre-birth murders.

Take it to the abortion forums.

[LostSoul3412]

Varyag wrote: No you're not a baby killer, that title is reserved for women who actually have abortions, your formal title is the feminists' lapdog, enjoy. Thats the difference between left and right, the right serves its own intrests, the left serves the intrests of weaklings who rub it into their face afterwards :lol:

In truth, in the West, if you are white and male, you have no business being on the left unless you approve of weakening your own social and economic prospects.

Save it for the abortion forums.

Varyag wrote: In political science terms, correct, even a libertarian government can in essense, be authoritarian, thats why I noted why it was a bad name.

With this too, a statist government in its various forms does not have to adhere to those principles, except ofcourse fascism.

Then why not call it the Totalitarian HQ? Since totalitarian governments are without formal restrictions, and operate to dismantle and eliminate any external factor that would limit their control.

[LostSoul3412]

Norbert wrote: :dance:

Now who's the lapdog? :lol:

I'm impressed Varyag... under 300 posts and you already have a cheerleader. :lol:

[Revenant]

Varyag wrote: Revenant wrote: If anyone is willing to join an Authoritarian/Nationalist HQ,

No, call it nationalist or statist, as we've already determined authoritarian would be inaccurate.

Also I'm not exactly sure a pro-abortionist shouldn't be founding this HQ, since the whole purpose of any statist system is not to oversee the depletion of its own citizenry via pre-birth murders.

Eh, it's more to piss people off than anything else :lol:

But yeah, Nationalist HQ will do.

[LostSoul3412]

Well, the Anarchist HQ currently has 20 members, so if you can find 20 people who would join a Nationalist HQ, then I'd support its creation.

Not sure if I would join or not, but I'd support establishing one; provided that you garner enough support.

[Revenant]

If you feel like signing up for the Nationalist HQ if one were created, send me a Private Message.

[LostSoul3412]

I think I'll stay freelance, given that I'm getting a first look at whom would become my colleagues.

No offense to you Revenant, but your followers are a bit below my standards. :lol:

[Norbert]

LostSoul3412 wrote: I think I'll stay freelance, given that I'm getting a first look at whom would become my colleagues.

No offense to you Revenant, but your followers are a bit below my standards. :lol:

1. lol, but im no one's cheerleader.

2. Im hurt... :cry:

[Revenant]

LostSoul3412 wrote: I think I'll stay freelance, given that I'm getting a first look at whom would become my colleagues.

No offense to you Revenant, but your followers are a bit below my standards. :lol:

Sorry we're not good-looking enough :lol:

[LostSoul3412]

Revenant wrote: Sorry we're not good-looking enough :lol:

Hey, I never said it applied to you. :lol:

[LostSoul3412]

Norbert wrote: Im hurt... :cry:

No one to blame but yourself, and Varyag for that blip about abortion.

[Varyag]

LostSoul3412 wrote: Varyag wrote: Also I'm not exactly sure a pro-abortionist shouldn't be founding this HQ, since the whole purpose of any statist system is not to oversee the depletion of its own citizenry via pre-birth murders.

Take it to the abortion forums.

No the abortion forums are to debate the concept of abortion itself, not its implications for various political paradigms.

[Varyag]

Quote: Varyag wrote: In political science terms, correct, even a libertarian government can in essense, be authoritarian, thats why I noted why it was a bad name.

With this too, a statist government in its various forms does not have to adhere to those principles, except ofcourse fascism.

Then why not call it the Totalitarian HQ? Since totalitarian governments are without formal restrictions, and operate to dismantle and eliminate any external factor that would limit their control.

Becuase a statist government does not have to be authoritarian or totalitarian?

[Varyag]

LostSoul3412 wrote: Norbert wrote: :dance:

Now who's the lapdog? :lol:

I'm impressed Varyag... under 300 posts and you already have a cheerleader. :lol:

I've seen single posts on this forum be more intelligent and insightful than the thousands of some members, or do you think that post counts make you smarter?

[LostSoul3412]

Varyag wrote: No the abortion forums are to debate the concept of abortion itself, not its implications for various political paradigms.

:rotf:

Whatever, have fun with your dogmatic "paradigms".

[LostSoul3412]

Varyag wrote: Becuase a statist government does not have to be authoritarian or totalitarian?

But if it is a constitutional government, then there would be no need to establish a new HQ, and you would find home in the Independent HQ.