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Otacon · Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:18 am Post subject:

We can't start making HQs for every tiny group of people that wants one. We've got plenty of HQs, I only supported the Anarchist HQ because of the difference between Anarchists and other radicals, and also because they were screwing up the LPHQ and needed their own place.

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 15852 Location: Bliss

There are roughly 15 people in the anarchist HQ. Why not create a similarly small one for the fascists? Given the fact that fascism has been mocked many times in this very topic isn't that evidence enough of people's hatred towards the mode of thinking? That they can't even discuss it without throwing in snide remarks.

Pareve · Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 893

Revenant wrote: There are roughly 15 people in the anarchist HQ. Why not create a similarly small one for the fascists? Given the fact that fascism has been mocked many times in this very topic isn't that evidence enough of people's hatred towards the mode of thinking? That they can't even discuss it without throwing in snide remarks.

Maybe it's because fascism totally deserves all of the snide remarks?

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7657

Revenant wrote: There are roughly 15 people in the anarchist HQ. Why not create a similarly small one for the fascists? Given the fact that fascism has been mocked many times in this very topic isn't that evidence enough of people's hatred towards the mode of thinking? That they can't even discuss it without throwing in snide remarks.

Find 15 fascists on these boards, and you'll have a case...

thefranzkafkafront · Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:24 am Post subject:

LostSoul3412 wrote: Revenant wrote: There are roughly 15 people in the anarchist HQ. Why not create a similarly small one for the fascists? Given the fact that fascism has been mocked many times in this very topic isn't that evidence enough of people's hatred towards the mode of thinking? That they can't even discuss it without throwing in snide remarks.

Find 15 fascists on these boards, and you'll have a case...

theres currently 13 people in the anarchist Hq

The proble isunt that there isunt enough facists, its that fascists are blanket banned on this forum.

I want them to have their own Hq and be allowed to stay.

TheKrava · Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 564 Location: Minneapolis, MN

I voted no.

Fascism is a dangerous ideology and it should not be encauraged.

If fascists want their own safe place to debate they can find some other boards to do so.

TheGirlNextDoor · Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 22608

thefranzkafkafront wrote: LostSoul3412 wrote: Revenant wrote: There are roughly 15 people in the anarchist HQ. Why not create a similarly small one for the fascists? Given the fact that fascism has been mocked many times in this very topic isn't that evidence enough of people's hatred towards the mode of thinking? That they can't even discuss it without throwing in snide remarks.

Find 15 fascists on these boards, and you'll have a case...

theres currently 13 people in the anarchist Hq

The proble isunt that there isunt enough facists, its that fascists are blanket banned on this forum.

I want them to have their own Hq and be allowed to stay.

They aren't banned because they're fascists.. they're banned because they can't follow the rules. Same reason anyone else is banned. :?

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7657

I would support the creation of a Falconist HQ... considering that you first find enough Falconists to warrant its creation, and second, that the motion is actually done by a Falconsist.

(Note: Substitute "Fascist" for "Falconist" and you'll see the same argument!)

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 15852 Location: Bliss

TheKrava wrote: I voted no.

Fascism is a dangerous ideology and it should not be encauraged.

If fascists want their own safe place to debate they can find some other boards to do so.

Many ideologies are "dangerous". Hell, some could define anarchism as "dangerous".

Capitalism or socialism could be considered "dangerous" economic systems. So could Communism.

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 15852 Location: Bliss

Pareve wrote: Revenant wrote: There are roughly 15 people in the anarchist HQ. Why not create a similarly small one for the fascists? Given the fact that fascism has been mocked many times in this very topic isn't that evidence enough of people's hatred towards the mode of thinking? That they can't even discuss it without throwing in snide remarks.

Maybe it's because fascism totally deserves all of the snide remarks?

And maybe it doesn't.

Kumar · Joined: 21 Jul 2004 Posts: 14042 Location: Himalayas

Revenant wrote: Kumar wrote: I would if there were enough fascists on this board. But honestly, if one is created, I predict it will be less active than the Constitution HQ was.

But there is a distinct differenece between the way fascists and ultra-right people are treated on this board. Libertarians, Republicans, Democrats, Radicals, Greens, Independents, and even most Anarchists can post without being mocked every three seconds. You can't even debate fascism on the board without being called "Hitler". And considering the word fascist is thrown around as an insult every minute on P&G, it makes it really difficult to post here for any fascists that wish to come.

For example, remember the Falconist 2.0 topic? Nearly everyone trolled that topic with retarded and sarcastic responses (myself included, which I regretted when I realized everyone was mocking the poor bastard). And the Falconists only have some Fascist tendencies.

My point is, fascists are inherently different from the other members of this board in the way they are treated even when posting on the mildest of topics. Which is why I don't believe the size of the HQ matters as much as the others.
Perhaps, but the point remains that if you're going to have only 2-3 members, it's just a waste of space. We've had quite a few fascists come to PCF over the past few months, but the majority have unsurprisingly been banned for idiotic remarks. A fascist that can debate rationally without spewing hate is hard to come by.

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 15852 Location: Bliss

LostSoul3412 wrote: I would support the creation of a Falconist HQ... considering that you first find enough Falconists to warrant its creation, and second, that the motion is actually done by a Falconsist.

(Note: Substitute "Fascist" for "Falconist" and you'll see the same argument!)

You assume that I'm not a fascist?

I've been well aware of my posting style thus far. Really I could be anything at this point.

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 15852 Location: Bliss

Kumar wrote: Revenant wrote: Kumar wrote: I would if there were enough fascists on this board. But honestly, if one is created, I predict it will be less active than the Constitution HQ was.

But there is a distinct differenece between the way fascists and ultra-right people are treated on this board. Libertarians, Republicans, Democrats, Radicals, Greens, Independents, and even most Anarchists can post without being mocked every three seconds. You can't even debate fascism on the board without being called "Hitler". And considering the word fascist is thrown around as an insult every minute on P&G, it makes it really difficult to post here for any fascists that wish to come.

For example, remember the Falconist 2.0 topic? Nearly everyone trolled that topic with retarded and sarcastic responses (myself included, which I regretted when I realized everyone was mocking the poor bastard). And the Falconists only have some Fascist tendencies.

My point is, fascists are inherently different from the other members of this board in the way they are treated even when posting on the mildest of topics. Which is why I don't believe the size of the HQ matters as much as the others.
Perhaps, but the point remains that if you're going to have only 2-3 members, it's just a waste of space. We've had quite a few fascists come to PCF over the past few months, but the majority have unsurprisingly been banned for idiotic remarks. A fascist that can debate rationally without spewing hate is hard to come by.

Yes, size is the biggest obstacle, I'll just have to work hard to track down about twenty or so.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7657

Revenant wrote: I've been well aware of my posting style thus far. Really I could be anything at this point.

I did assume such, considering that fascists tend not to have a sense of humor. :wink:

Comrade Dave · Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 1315

Revenant, I apologize for my comment (either in this thread or the other). I'm open to a debate about fascism but I see it as an ideology with a lack of any positive examples. At least socialism has a decent track record, as does some forms of anarchism. But I certainly respect your right to be a part of these boards, even as a fascist. Which begs the question: are you a fascist or is this just hypothetical?

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7657

Comrade Dave wrote: socialism has a decent track record, as does some forms of anarchism.

:rotf:

Oh, wait, you were serious...

:shifty:

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 15852 Location: Bliss

LostSoul3412 wrote: Comrade Dave wrote: socialism has a decent track record, as does some forms of anarchism.

:rotf:

Oh, wait, you were serious...

:shifty:

:lol:

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 15852 Location: Bliss

One could cite American fascism under the Roosevelt administration as a success story.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7657

Revenant wrote: One could cite American fascism under the Roosevelt administration as a success story.

I wouldn't call Roosevelt fascist.. I think the closest we've gotten under an administration is the current one, with Jackson before that, and then the Anti-Sedation Acts under Adams before that.

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 15852 Location: Bliss

LostSoul3412 wrote: Revenant wrote: One could cite American fascism under the Roosevelt administration as a success story.

I wouldn't call Roosevelt fascist.. I think the closest we've gotten under an administration is the current one, with Jackson before that, and then the Anti-Sedation Acts under Adams before that.

I would argue that he was. Roosevelt's government matched closely with the tenets of a fascist government.

That is to say: "a very high degree of nationalism, economic corporatism, a powerful, dictatorial leader who portrays the nation, state or collective as superior to the individuals or groups composing it"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Neo-Fascism

Roosevelt's United States is at least 3 for 4 out of those.