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[The Comrade]

Pebble wrote: The Comrade wrote: Claudia Schiffer wrote: jeg wrote: Claudia Schiffer wrote: michel wrote: The fact is sunni al-qaida is at war with the shia' all over the world, but they still belong to the same islamic fascist fanacitism, it's only a question of who's the bigger evil?


South lebanon and shia south beirut is destroyed, they are taken back by 20 yrs, all thanks to sheik hassan nasrallah.

If that is what the hezbollah calls victory, then no one needs to win.

Millions of shia moslems are suffering because of hezbollah's starting this war.
Hezbollah are puppets of the shia iranians and moslem lebanese are paying high price for it.
They are all so stupid, following their leader nasrallah to their own destruction.
The mostly Christian lebanese army must start acting like a real national army or else Christian civilians are ready to fight back against the islamic fascist.

I dough things are that simple, and i know Israel are deceiving and they probably managed to make it look like Hezbollas started this war but in fact i think Israel wanted that war... That's absurd. Israel had recently been showing a pattern of efforts towards peace. Hezbollah, and ultimately Iran wanted the war.

Sure, they wanted a war they were sure gonna loose. :lol: :lol: ridiculous, Israel doesn't want peace. \/

is that why they went along wit hthe cease-fire?


SURELY THEY WANT WAR!!!!!

Do you therefore agree that Hezbollah are also a peace seeking group?

considering i was talking about the cease-fire and if that's the sole basis that we're judging on then yes they are peace seeking

[Tepic]

Pebble wrote: Do you therefore agree that Hezbollah are also a peace seeking group?
Intention vs action ... if they go along with the ceasefire, then to some extent they are seeking peace through their actions.

Or is that just a waffly re-phrasing? :P

[Pareve]

Claudia Schiffer wrote: jeg wrote: Claudia Schiffer wrote: michel wrote: The fact is sunni al-qaida is at war with the shia' all over the world, but they still belong to the same islamic fascist fanacitism, it's only a question of who's the bigger evil?


South lebanon and shia south beirut is destroyed, they are taken back by 20 yrs, all thanks to sheik hassan nasrallah.

If that is what the hezbollah calls victory, then no one needs to win.

Millions of shia moslems are suffering because of hezbollah's starting this war.
Hezbollah are puppets of the shia iranians and moslem lebanese are paying high price for it.
They are all so stupid, following their leader nasrallah to their own destruction.
The mostly Christian lebanese army must start acting like a real national army or else Christian civilians are ready to fight back against the islamic fascist.

I dough things are that simple, and i know Israel are deceiving and they probably managed to make it look like Hezbollas started this war but in fact i think Israel wanted that war... That's absurd. Israel had recently been showing a pattern of efforts towards peace. Hezbollah, and ultimately Iran wanted the war.

Sure, they wanted a war they were sure gonna loose. :lol: :lol: ridiculous, Israel doesn't want peace. \/

Starting a war that one is certainly going to lose is like martyrdom on a HUGE scale for Hizbollah. It will help them flesh out their ranks, and increase their fanclub in the Middle East.

For Israel, peace has always been in its best interest. Hizbollah's goal is to drive the Jews into the sea. Israel's goal is to be left alone.

How exactly could Israel benefit with a war with Lebanon? It certainly hasn't helped their international standing. They don't need more land. They occupied part of Lebanon for a number of years, and gave it back recently. If they really wanted that land, they could have just kept it in the first place. Israel tends to just use land as a bargaining chip, not as a conquest/expansion. The Sinai Penninsula is a good example of such use.

[mr_happy]

Pebble wrote: Quote:
Oh, so ISrael shouldn't go to war with LEbanon over:

10 soldiers killed
2 captured
1 city attacked by indiscriminate rocket fire?

Wow Saracen, what does constitute an act of war? I know, when all the Israelis are dead, maybe they can fight back!



Hezbollah =/= the State of Lebanon.

While it may not, it is actively aided and defended by the state of Lebanon. I think it was a mere five days before the conflict that Siniora gave a speech in Lebanon declaring that he would not disarm HEzbullah and would prevent anyone from doing so. If I find the link later I'll post it.

Also, he purposely ignored 1559 despite a previous hezbullah attack on ISrael earlier this spring.

LAstly, Lebanon has refused to arrest numerous members of Hezbullah that are not underground despite their admitted breeches of international and national law. I mean launching rockets into Lebanon indiscriminately definitly constitutes a war crime. How about executing three IDF POW's? Yet Hassan Nasrallah still walks around Beirut with impunity. So yes, Lebanon adn Hezbullah share a very direct link.

[Pareve]

mr_happy wrote: Pebble wrote: Quote:
Oh, so ISrael shouldn't go to war with LEbanon over:

10 soldiers killed
2 captured
1 city attacked by indiscriminate rocket fire?

Wow Saracen, what does constitute an act of war? I know, when all the Israelis are dead, maybe they can fight back!



Hezbollah =/= the State of Lebanon.

While it may not, it is actively aided and defended by the state of Lebanon. I think it was a mere five days before the conflict that Siniora gave a speech in Lebanon declaring that he would not disarm HEzbullah and would prevent anyone from doing so. If I find the link later I'll post it.

Also, he purposely ignored 1559 despite a previous hezbullah attack on ISrael earlier this spring.

LAstly, Lebanon has refused to arrest numerous members of Hezbullah that are not underground despite their admitted breeches of international and national law. I mean launching rockets into Lebanon indiscriminately definitly constitutes a war crime. How about executing three IDF POW's? Yet Hassan Nasrallah still walks around Beirut with impunity. So yes, Lebanon adn Hezbullah share a very direct link.

They sure have helped Lebanon by starting a war with Lebanon's neighbor which the legitimate Lebanese government never consented to.

[skinn]

Claudia Schiffer wrote: The Comrade wrote: Claudia Schiffer wrote: michel wrote: The fact is sunni al-qaida is at war with the shia' all over the world, but they still belong to the same islamic fascist fanacitism, it's only a question of who's the bigger evil?


South lebanon and shia south beirut is destroyed, they are taken back by 20 yrs, all thanks to sheik hassan nasrallah.

If that is what the hezbollah calls victory, then no one needs to win.

Millions of shia moslems are suffering because of hezbollah's starting this war.
Hezbollah are puppets of the shia iranians and moslem lebanese are paying high price for it.
They are all so stupid, following their leader nasrallah to their own destruction.
The mostly Christian lebanese army must start acting like a real national army or else Christian civilians are ready to fight back against the islamic fascist.

I dough things are that simple, and i know Israel are deceiving and they probably managed to make it look like Hezbollas started this war but in fact i think Israel wanted that war...

claudia. people living in lebanon aren't even on your side.

how long are you going to go against the grain of logic before you realize that you're wrong?

How would you know if they are on my side or not?

To the Lebanes here, do you agree with what i wrote or not?

I know one of you don't but i mean the others?

totally agree, you should be given a honorary leanese citizenship :clap:

[Claudia Schiffer]

skinn wrote: Claudia Schiffer wrote: The Comrade wrote: Claudia Schiffer wrote: michel wrote: The fact is sunni al-qaida is at war with the shia' all over the world, but they still belong to the same islamic fascist fanacitism, it's only a question of who's the bigger evil?


South lebanon and shia south beirut is destroyed, they are taken back by 20 yrs, all thanks to sheik hassan nasrallah.

If that is what the hezbollah calls victory, then no one needs to win.

Millions of shia moslems are suffering because of hezbollah's starting this war.
Hezbollah are puppets of the shia iranians and moslem lebanese are paying high price for it.
They are all so stupid, following their leader nasrallah to their own destruction.
The mostly Christian lebanese army must start acting like a real national army or else Christian civilians are ready to fight back against the islamic fascist.

I dough things are that simple, and i know Israel are deceiving and they probably managed to make it look like Hezbollas started this war but in fact i think Israel wanted that war...

claudia. people living in lebanon aren't even on your side.

how long are you going to go against the grain of logic before you realize that you're wrong?

How would you know if they are on my side or not?

To the Lebanes here, do you agree with what i wrote or not?

I know one of you don't but i mean the others?

totally agree, you should be given a honorary leanese citizenship :clap:

Thanks man. :hi:

[roland]

either they wipe out us out or we did it to them.

[Saracen]

roland wrote: either they wipe out us out or we did it to them.

Why don't you just get along and get it over with? Forget Israel. Think about Lebanon.

[ALi*]

lol @ the guy who said the Lebanese army is mostly Christian... hehehe
the Lebanese army is not only mostly Muslim but mostly chiites... so that will be a reason more to ensure my doubt that u r just another israeli or other trying to propagand ur ideas and thoughts.... ( i think ur one of the well known posters on this forum) and im planing to find out with my special ways which one u are :lol: hehehe


hezbollah never... and i mean EVER wanted war... it is a resistance
hezbollah is a party
mokawama islamiya is the armed groups israeli fight--> mokawama means resistance and it happens to be islamic ...there u have it

but wen ur neighboring an agressive terrorist state like the zionist state so well internationally protected and helped of course ur in a weak position since even ur closest allies are willing to leave u for their interrests with the ennemy....

its a long idea to develop actually so ima say just this for the moment and reply to others inquiries.

[lilwolf]

ALi* wrote: lol @ the guy who said the Lebanese army is mostly Christian... hehehe
the Lebanese army is not only mostly Muslim but mostly chiites... so that will be a reason more to ensure my doubt that u r just another israeli or other trying to propagand ur ideas and thoughts.... ( i think ur one of the well known posters on this forum) and im planing to find out with my special ways which one u are :lol: hehehe


hezbollah never... and i mean EVER wanted war... it is a resistance
hezbollah is a party
mokawama islamiya is the armed groups israeli fight--> mokawama means resistance and it happens to be islamic ...there u have it

but wen ur neighboring an agressive terrorist state like the zionist state so well internationally protected and helped of course ur in a weak position since even ur closest allies are willing to leave u for their interrests with the ennemy....

its a long idea to develop actually so ima say just this for the moment and reply to others inquiries.


The hezbollah are a bunch of cowards that hide with women and children in their effort to start conflict.....that is a fact Ali and you know it

[ALi*]

warever man... everyone knows its not true. But its the only way to give a reason to the war even though its also not a reason

[SpartanPhalanx]

Quote: Claudia wrote:-

And Islamo-fascism is a RIDICULOUS THERM! Even George doesn't look confortable saying it...

Probably because he may have trouble pronouncing it ..... seems a bit more difficult than NUCULAR ....... :lol:

[SpartanPhalanx]

lilwolf wrote: ALi* wrote: lol @ the guy who said the Lebanese army is mostly Christian... hehehe
the Lebanese army is not only mostly Muslim but mostly chiites... so that will be a reason more to ensure my doubt that u r just another israeli or other trying to propagand ur ideas and thoughts.... ( i think ur one of the well known posters on this forum) and im planing to find out with my special ways which one u are :lol: hehehe


hezbollah never... and i mean EVER wanted war... it is a resistance
hezbollah is a party
mokawama islamiya is the armed groups israeli fight--> mokawama means resistance and it happens to be islamic ...there u have it

but wen ur neighboring an agressive terrorist state like the zionist state so well internationally protected and helped of course ur in a weak position since even ur closest allies are willing to leave u for their interrests with the ennemy....

its a long idea to develop actually so ima say just this for the moment and reply to others inquiries.


The hezbollah are a bunch of cowards that hide with women and children in their effort to start conflict.....that is a fact Ali and you know it

Cowards don't fight one of the most powerful military in the world to a stalemate. C'mon Wolf, you're much smarter than that.

[Venom]

Quote: Cowards don't fight one of the most powerful military in the world to a stalemate. C'mon Wolf, you're much smarter than that.
A political stopping of a war is not a military stalemate... Seriously Spartan you're not that nieve.

Now I don't think the actual fighters in Hezbollah are cowards persay, however I do believe they rely on exploiting the IDF's limited actions in the civilian areas as well as dressing like civilians.

[ALi*]

Quote: A political stopping of a war is not a military stalemate... Seriously Spartan you're not that nieve.
a demanded political stopping of the war doesnt mean they were able to accomplish the job... it means they wanted to end it in a way they dont appear as LOSERS.:lol: seriously venom, your smarter than to actually believe what u said.

[superskippy]

We werent the ones demanding the ceasefire...

[ALi*]

if you didnt think it was the only left option there would have been absolutely NO WAY the war is stopped.... usa would have gave you all teh time you needed to do the job.
But olmert and company realized that was impossible.(too bad... 33 days later)

[superskippy]

The US could never give us all the time we needed, it isnt simply a matter of veteoing a ceasefire there comes a point where we have to take the next step and international pressure would simply boil over.

[Saracen]

superskippy wrote: The US could never give us all the time we needed, it isnt simply a matter of veteoing a ceasefire there comes a point where we have to take the next step and international pressure would simply boil over.

As if the Israeli government cares about what the world has to say...