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Thrilla · Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 21423 Location: Sin City

ramashkagromik wrote: Thrilla wrote: my personal favorite would be Leonidas

hmm, Leonidas, i had to read up on that, unusual choice, his head got caught off in the battle he went knowing that doom was near, hmm.... +p do you know any other leader that would willingly lead his men into a battle that he knew could not be won and that his death was a certainty?..on top of that... have his men willingly follow him

sLiPpY · Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 9661

Thrilla wrote: my personal favorite would be Leonidas

Belgian Chocolates? :?

ramashkagromik · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 233 Location: Kiev

Thrilla wrote: ramashkagromik wrote: Thrilla wrote: my personal favorite would be Leonidas

hmm, Leonidas, i had to read up on that, unusual choice, his head got caught off in the battle he went knowing that doom was near, hmm.... +p do you know any other leader that would willingly lead his men into a battle that he knew could not be won and that his death was a certainty?..on top of that... have his men willingly follow him

Yes, i actually do, Napoleon, when he led his legion into Russia expecting a Cold Winter. Except he didn't expect to die.

Ooo, i know, you watched Pearl Harbor, right? That group of man who took off an aircraft carrier with FUEL enough for one way, heading towards JAPAN, to certain death. so there. :-o

Thrilla · Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 21423 Location: Sin City

ramashkagromik wrote: Thrilla wrote: ramashkagromik wrote: Thrilla wrote: my personal favorite would be Leonidas

hmm, Leonidas, i had to read up on that, unusual choice, his head got caught off in the battle he went knowing that doom was near, hmm.... +p do you know any other leader that would willingly lead his men into a battle that he knew could not be won and that his death was a certainty?..on top of that... have his men willingly follow him

Yes, i actually do, Napoleon, when he led his legion into Russia expecting a Cold Winter. Except he didn't expect to die.

Ooo, i know, you watched Pearl Harbor, right? That group of man who took off an aircraft carrier with FUEL enough for one way, heading towards JAPAN, to certain death. so there. :-o :lol: Doolittle wasn't a leader of a nation.

Napolean was too arrogant to wade into certain death

flamboyant · Joined: 25 Mar 2006 Posts: 1881

thefranzkafkafront wrote: psholtz wrote: I'm going to go w/ Jesus of Nazareth..

3 year run of a small jewish sect.

I mean he din't even found christianity Paul did more towards that.

Im a bit torn at the moment, for a grand stratergist its got to be Napeloen, that guy turned a country in a mist of a massive civil war into a super power by pretty much the force of his will alone, man could that guy play the political and millitary game.

Then theres the mark he alone left on the world, massive. Put one of the final nails in the coffin of feudalism and arguably one of the first in the coffin of autocracy.

I'm not even a Christian and I still have to say that's really underestimating the impact of Jesus on the world. Even if you don't think he was the Son of God, you still have to admit the numbers are pretty impressive:

Quote:
Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
primal-indigenous: 300 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jainism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

BTW, shouldn't this be in the History forum?

Brother Jake · Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 414

flamboyant wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: psholtz wrote: I'm going to go w/ Jesus of Nazareth..

3 year run of a small jewish sect.

I mean he din't even found christianity Paul did more towards that.

Im a bit torn at the moment, for a grand stratergist its got to be Napeloen, that guy turned a country in a mist of a massive civil war into a super power by pretty much the force of his will alone, man could that guy play the political and millitary game.

Then theres the mark he alone left on the world, massive. Put one of the final nails in the coffin of feudalism and arguably one of the first in the coffin of autocracy.

I'm not even a Christian and I still have to say that's really underestimating the impact of Jesus on the world. Even if you don't think he was the Son of God, you still have to admit the numbers are pretty impressive:

Quote:
Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
primal-indigenous: 300 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jainism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

BTW, shouldn't this be in the History forum?
Shows you the power of marketing.

flamboyant · Joined: 25 Mar 2006 Posts: 1881

ramashkagromik wrote: Ooo, i know, you watched Pearl Harbor, right? That group of man who took off an aircraft carrier with FUEL enough for one way, heading towards JAPAN, to certain death. so there.

Thrilla wrote: Doolittle wasn't a leader of a nation.

Leader of a squadron though, and one hell of a balsy mission that one was. ;) He may not make it into the Greatest Leader Hall of Fame, but he's certainly deserving of a couple votes just on intestinal fortitude alone.

flamboyant · Joined: 25 Mar 2006 Posts: 1881

Brother Jake wrote: flamboyant wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: psholtz wrote: I'm going to go w/ Jesus of Nazareth..

3 year run of a small jewish sect.

I mean he din't even found christianity Paul did more towards that.

Im a bit torn at the moment, for a grand stratergist its got to be Napeloen, that guy turned a country in a mist of a massive civil war into a super power by pretty much the force of his will alone, man could that guy play the political and millitary game.

Then theres the mark he alone left on the world, massive. Put one of the final nails in the coffin of feudalism and arguably one of the first in the coffin of autocracy.

I'm not even a Christian and I still have to say that's really underestimating the impact of Jesus on the world. Even if you don't think he was the Son of God, you still have to admit the numbers are pretty impressive:

Quote:
Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
primal-indigenous: 300 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jainism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

BTW, shouldn't this be in the History forum?
Shows you the power of marketing.

Marketing indeed. LOL. I guess by the same logic, Mickey Mouse would probably be deserving of a few votes as well.

ramashkagromik · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 233 Location: Kiev

Brother Jake wrote: flamboyant wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: psholtz wrote: I'm going to go w/ Jesus of Nazareth..

3 year run of a small jewish sect.

I mean he din't even found christianity Paul did more towards that.

Im a bit torn at the moment, for a grand stratergist its got to be Napeloen, that guy turned a country in a mist of a massive civil war into a super power by pretty much the force of his will alone, man could that guy play the political and millitary game.

Then theres the mark he alone left on the world, massive. Put one of the final nails in the coffin of feudalism and arguably one of the first in the coffin of autocracy.

I'm not even a Christian and I still have to say that's really underestimating the impact of Jesus on the world. Even if you don't think he was the Son of God, you still have to admit the numbers are pretty impressive:

Quote:
Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
primal-indigenous: 300 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jainism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

BTW, shouldn't this be in the History forum?
Shows you the power of marketing.

hmm, notice how there are only 14 million jews, yet we hear sooo mch bout them, good things i mean.

P.s. tom cruise loves scientology

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

sLiPpY wrote: psholtz wrote: William Amos wrote: superchick wrote: psholtz wrote: I'm going to go w/ Jesus of Nazareth.. 2nd. I can't think of a more influential man on earth.

In my beliefs Jesus is the son of God and therefor isnt of mankind
Check:

* Pslams 82:6
* Hosea 1:10
* John 10:34

I almost responded to this post with similar verse, and/or statement.

It's kind of sad that even a non-believer like meh' can see these things. :lol:
Yeah, I actually think there are still a bunch of other verses like that too.. it's just that those are the first ones that come to mind.. :-D

There's the whole "man is created in the image of God" thing in Genesis..

psholtz · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 23468 Location: California

flamboyant wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: psholtz wrote: I'm going to go w/ Jesus of Nazareth..

3 year run of a small jewish sect.

I mean he din't even found christianity Paul did more towards that.

Im a bit torn at the moment, for a grand stratergist its got to be Napeloen, that guy turned a country in a mist of a massive civil war into a super power by pretty much the force of his will alone, man could that guy play the political and millitary game.

Then theres the mark he alone left on the world, massive. Put one of the final nails in the coffin of feudalism and arguably one of the first in the coffin of autocracy.

I'm not even a Christian and I still have to say that's really underestimating the impact of Jesus on the world. Even if you don't think he was the Son of God, you still have to admit the numbers are pretty impressive:

Quote:
Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
primal-indigenous: 300 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jainism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

BTW, shouldn't this be in the History forum?
Bear in mind that all those Muslims on that list believe in Jesus as well..

Together w/ the Christians, that represents over 50% of the earth's population ..

Charlie Man · Joined: 02 Aug 2005 Posts: 4471

Greatest? I'd have to say Solomon.

ramashkagromik · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 233 Location: Kiev

Charlie Man wrote: Greatest? I'd have to say Solomon.

King Solomon? ah, so-so, im still with Mandela

Chingu · Joined: 03 Apr 2004 Posts: 9637 Location: Illinois

It all depends upon how you define great leader. I'm going to assume by "great" we mean good - which takes most of the afformentioned out of the game.

I will also assume - perhpas wrongly by the posters intention - that by leader - we mean leader of men.

So, I will say - Alexander was perhaps the single most influential leader - good in the eyes of his allies - his men - and certainly not bad in so much as the context of history would deserve him.
I disclude Ceasar because he was not a sle leader in my view but a collective force - who was drawn even to a point of hypocrasy against his better judgement by rule of the already set in place seat of power he managed to entertain. He was more the manifestation of a process.

One might include Nepolean?

In more contemporary times, I would say - George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Winston Churchill, Patton.

If you wish to include terrible leaders - but leaders of great influence - I would include Hitler, Mao and Carl Marx.

Onevote · Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 1688 Location: Tampa, Florida

lilwolf wrote: I would say Sitting Bull and Crazy horse

Biblical figures low on the rungs...Maybe but those same people (figures) have changed an entire planet for what now 3- 4 thousand years
Christ being the most influential in the Judeo Christian world. I would say that they did a pretty good job at what they did. I may not agree with all they said and did but that's only me. :-D Good choices. :)

Charlie Man · Joined: 02 Aug 2005 Posts: 4471

Ooh, terrible leaders are easier, actually...

Definitely Chiang Kai-Shek

danman2000 · Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 494

genghis khan was born in a grass hut in Mongolia, and went on to create the largest land empire in history. im gonna have to go with that.

Roy L · Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 1819

ramashkagromik wrote: Who do you think was the greatest leader in history time?

Most gifted: Alexander of Macedon, hands down.

Most beneficial to his posterity: probably Pericles, but a few other candidates spring to mind: Augustus, Kang Xi and Washington for starters.

syngar99 · Joined: 29 Jun 2004 Posts: 250

ramashkagromik wrote: Zombie3785 wrote: Mine would be Vlad Tepes.

interesting choice, do not hear this often, you Romanian?

fidel or dracula, both represent the same level of sarcasm when used as an example of leadership

Feslin · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 460 Location: Clovis, New Mexico

Hmm, that's kind of a broad question...

I think Jesus of Nazareth to be one of the most influential, freethinking, and compassionate souls to grace the Earth.
Alexander of Macedon is an obvious choice, indeed, this is the first forum I've come upon that recognizes his greatness.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Winston Churchill
Abe Lincoln
Buddha
Confucius

In that order, all great leaders.