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chenmon_1983 · Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:47 am Post subject:

ramashkagromik wrote: chenmon_1983 wrote: ramashkagromik wrote: chenmon_1983 wrote: My answer is Zhou Enlai ,though he was not the chairman of China,but I think he was a great premier in China's history.
And my most honest president is Franklin Delano Roosevelt

wan't he in office for like over 20 years, I know USSR didn't like him, i heard a lot of propaganda against him, but maybe he was good

Hmm...actually,I don't know the USSR doesn't like Zhou~~~I wish you could read more history document,I mean ,I'm really respect him.The UN fly the flag at half-mast when he died,and he was the only premier enjoyed it in the world till now.

Oh,the left man is he

umm, all ican tell you is that USSR did not like Mao Zedong, that for sure, at least in the 60s for sure. And if they don't like him why would they like Zhou?

But really, how can you choose biblical figures as leaders? They have a definite advatage over others. And i don't see why no one chose Nelson Mandela, my favorite

Oh,yeah ,he is a great man in anti-segregation.

ramashkagromik · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 233 Location: Kiev

Charlie Man wrote: Ooh, terrible leaders are easier, actually...

Definitely Chiang Kai-Shek

wow, you sure picked a "keeper"

ramashkagromik · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 233 Location: Kiev

syngar99 wrote: ramashkagromik wrote: Zombie3785 wrote: Mine would be Vlad Tepes.

interesting choice, do not hear this often, you Romanian?

fidel or dracula, both represent the same level of sarcasm when used as an example of leadership

what? you crazy?

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

gaius julius octavius caeser 'augustus'.

by far the greatest leader.

ramashkagromik · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 233 Location: Kiev

The Comrade wrote: gaius julius octavius caeser 'augustus'.

by far the greatest leader.

greatest? He was fighting against Roman being ruled by an emperor, and was succesful in Ceasar's assassination, but then himself became the emperor
great job, man.... :shock:

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

ramashkagromik wrote: The Comrade wrote: gaius julius octavius caeser 'augustus'.

by far the greatest leader.

greatest? He was fighting against Roman being ruled by an emperor, and was succesful in Ceasar's assassination, but then himself became the emperor
great job, man.... :shock:

what?

ramashkagromik · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 233 Location: Kiev

The Comrade wrote: ramashkagromik wrote: The Comrade wrote: gaius julius octavius caeser 'augustus'.

by far the greatest leader.

greatest? He was fighting against Roman being ruled by an emperor, and was succesful in Ceasar's assassination, but then himself became the emperor
great job, man.... :shock:

what?

what what? my yugoslavian friend

Feslin · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 460 Location: Clovis, New Mexico

I believe that this particular Gaius IS Julius...

But I'm not sure, the names all confuse me...

ramashkagromik · Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 233 Location: Kiev

Feslin wrote: I believe that this particular Gaius IS Julius...

But I'm not sure, the names all confuse me...

i'll tell you why you are confused, cause you are from new mexico, your state was attained by the US unfairly, they forces Mexico ito a war with themselves and the "bought out" that land.

antonio62 · Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:11 am Post subject:

psholtz wrote: I'm going to go w/ Jesus of Nazareth..

Who did he ever lead? He was influencial yes not as influencial as actual Christians who made the faith but influencial none the less.

To hard to do and to many to mention but there are several who have not been mentioned yet who need to be.

Bismark
Peter the Great
Henry V
Fredrick Barbarossa
Fredrick the Great
Suleiman the Magnificent

antonio62 · Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:46 am Post subject:

Thrilla wrote: ramashkagromik wrote: Thrilla wrote: my personal favorite would be Leonidas

hmm, Leonidas, i had to read up on that, unusual choice, his head got caught off in the battle he went knowing that doom was near, hmm.... +p do you know any other leader that would willingly lead his men into a battle that he knew could not be won and that his death was a certainty?..on top of that... have his men willingly follow him

Any Spartan king would have done the same in that situation.

thefranzkafkafront · Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:08 am Post subject:

Richard Owl Mirror wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: Richard Owl Mirror wrote: I would have to say Machiventa Melchizedek made the biggest impact on the entire planet.

Again, biblical figures are seriously low rung on the ladder.

Can you dispute the impact Machiventa Melchizedek had on Mankind?
Certainly much more than any Nationalistic Leader has.

A some what mediocre figure in what was untill people like Paul a smallish unimportant school of relgion.

Napleon created most of the worlds modern states or laid the foundations for them and was instrumental in the eventual fall of autocracy despite being an autocrat himself.

thefranzkafkafront · Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:10 am Post subject:

psholtz wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: psholtz wrote: I'm going to go w/ Jesus of Nazareth..

3 year run of a small jewish sect.

I mean he din't even found christianity Paul did more towards that.

Im a bit torn at the moment, for a grand stratergist its got to be Napeloen, that guy turned a country in a mist of a massive civil war into a super power by pretty much the force of his will alone, man could that guy play the political and millitary game.

Then theres the mark he alone left on the world, massive. Put one of the final nails in the coffin of feudalism and arguably one of the first in the coffin of autocracy.
Yes, but even if you ignore for a moment the spiritual impact that Christianity has on the hundreds of millions who adhere to its beliefs - even though they may not be part of an organized church (<- and this alone would be enough to place Christianity into one of the most poweful social movements ever), you still have to consider the utterly massive political influence Christianity has had over the past 2,000 years.

The Roman Church still - to a very large extent - rules planet Earth. And to the extent that it doesn't, the world is ruled by the British Empire or the Americans, both of which are strongly Christian-centric socieities.

I think it's very hard to ignore the impact - socially, politically, economically, etc - that Christianity has had on humankind since its emergence.

Im not disputing that, but Jesus was relatively unimportant in the actual politcal spread of christanity in light of men like martin luther, or john calivin or paul the evangalist.

Despite being the Messiah he din't actually do that much regarding christianity, he came he taught prehaps 2000-3000 people in an unimportant provience of the roman empire, and he died.

Its his followers who did the massive footwork.

Magorion · Joined: 21 Apr 2006 Posts: 4196 Location: Celestial Teapot

Stevethereal wrote: Zombie3785 wrote: Mine would be Vlad Tepes.

A marvelous choice. Dracule. The leader of the undead.

That's hogwash! That lie started in the mid 1800s. Vlad Tepes was called "Dracule" in Romanian, meaning "Dragon". He has never had any connection whatsoever with any cults or "undead", either in myths or historically. He impaled thousands of Turks who tried to conquer Romania. That's about it...

Magorion · Joined: 21 Apr 2006 Posts: 4196 Location: Celestial Teapot

superchick wrote: psholtz wrote: I'm going to go w/ Jesus of Nazareth.. 2nd. I can't think of a more influential man on earth.

Interesting quote.... I can see why you chose Jesus. You don't think there should be freedom from religion as well?

Magorion · Joined: 21 Apr 2006 Posts: 4196 Location: Celestial Teapot

superchick wrote: sLiPpY wrote: superchick wrote: psholtz wrote: I'm going to go w/ Jesus of Nazareth.. 2nd. I can't think of a more influential man on earth.

What about Mr. Whipple?

Well it is a close race. Many lives have been lost in the fight to have soft bathroom tissue compared to the influence that Jesus Christ has had on the world. Real close. :roll:

You know, the accomplishments of Jesus Christ is written by people who were influenced by the stories they were told long after the man's death. Not exactly 100% accurate testimonies.

Magorion · Joined: 21 Apr 2006 Posts: 4196 Location: Celestial Teapot

danman2000 wrote: genghis khan was born in a grass hut in Mongolia, and went on to create the largest land empire in history. im gonna have to go with that.

Actually, it was the second largest, after the British Empire:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World's_largest_empires

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

ramashkagromik wrote: The Comrade wrote: ramashkagromik wrote: The Comrade wrote: gaius julius octavius caeser 'augustus'.

by far the greatest leader.

greatest? He was fighting against Roman being ruled by an emperor, and was succesful in Ceasar's assassination, but then himself became the emperor
great job, man.... :shock:

what?

what what? my yugoslavian friend

i didn't understand what you said about imperitor agustus.

Feslin · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 460 Location: Clovis, New Mexico

ramashkagromik wrote: Feslin wrote: I believe that this particular Gaius IS Julius...

But I'm not sure, the names all confuse me...

i'll tell you why you are confused, cause you are from new mexico, your state was attained by the US unfairly, they forces Mexico ito a war with themselves and the "bought out" that land.

...

Anyways, Jesus created Christianity in the same sense Ghengis Khan created the Mongolian Empire.

They started it, their followers made it huge.

Melcar · Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:17 pm Post subject:

Feslin wrote: ramashkagromik wrote: Feslin wrote: I believe that this particular Gaius IS Julius...

But I'm not sure, the names all confuse me...

i'll tell you why you are confused, cause you are from new mexico, your state was attained by the US unfairly, they forces Mexico ito a war with themselves and the "bought out" that land.

...

Anyways, Jesus created Christianity in the same sense Ghengis Khan created the Mongolian Empire.

They started it, their followers made it huge.

Jesus did not create Christianity; he just wanted to reform the Jewish faith. It was his followers that created Christianity several years latter based on his teachings. Makes you wonder if Jesus himself would even approve of Christianity :think: .
And yes, the post about New Mexico made no sense to me either (I guess he was trying to offend you or something).