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[AllAmericanMan]

Differences have always divided our world. Race, culture, language, wealth, religion, sex... Throughout history, human beings have looked at our differences and committed horrendous acts of violence and cruelty. A generation after the civil rights movement and the holocaust, have we changed enough? Improved enough?

Hatred and apathy still exist, and are in fact as strong as ever. The haves still don't do enough for the have nots. The whites still live separate from the blacks for the most part. Stereotypes of male female roles are worn down some but still around as well. History has shown us there is always improvement to be made, and I think we should remember this lesson when it comes to abortion. We are capable of terrible things, we are capable of anything if our society has accepted it. I see all of these terrible things related in a way to the issue at hand.

In view of mankind's apparent inability to see past our differences, it makes perfect sense to me that some people are just incapable of seeing a single celled zygote as a human being, or even a zygote that has gone through multiple cell divisions, all the way up to a fetus. They are after all, so different compared to us. We can speak and move around and show our emotions. We can express ourselves and feel each other's presence in our lives. Mankind has killed each other for lesser differences, that much is certain.

The answer lies in the diversity of life. Ask yourself, how come we are all different? It is obvious, that at conception a miracle occurs which creates a new human being. The fusing of male and female genetic code to create a completely new and unique human organism. When a unique human being is aborted that combination of the genetic code that composes us all is a combination robbed from existence, never to be seen again. While it is extremely different and immature, differism should never be the justification for violence.

There has been arbitrary criteria set up for the decision of when to assign human rights. Birth, implantation, viability, when it looks like a person, when it generates brain waves that can be detected, have all been suggested but all leave out products of human reproduction as something less than the whole truth during one stage of development or more. Conception is clearly the biologically defining moment.

[Selfish_Meme]

AllAmericanMan wrote: The answer lies in the diversity of life. Ask yourself, how come we are all different? It is obvious, that at conception a miracle occurs which creates a new human being. The fusing of male and female genetic code to create a completely new and unique human organism. When a unique human being is aborted that combination of the genetic code that composes us all is a combination robbed from existence, never to be seen again. While it is extremely different and immature, differism should never be the justification for violence.
Every life form that procreates via sex undergoes exactly the same process, there is nothing unique about it at all. The only thing different is the species.

[AllAmericanMan]

Selfish_Meme wrote: AllAmericanMan wrote: The answer lies in the diversity of life. Ask yourself, how come we are all different? It is obvious, that at conception a miracle occurs which creates a new human being. The fusing of male and female genetic code to create a completely new and unique human organism. When a unique human being is aborted that combination of the genetic code that composes us all is a combination robbed from existence, never to be seen again. While it is extremely different and immature, differism should never be the justification for violence.
Every life form that procreates via sex undergoes exactly the same process, there is nothing unique about it at all. The only thing different is the species.

Every pregnancy is unique and brings about a unique result. We are all different. We all are made the same way, that doesnt make us the same.
I speak of uniqueness in that sense, and I speak of differences in the sense that the unborn are different from the born. Im not sure where you got confused on that.

[Selfish_Meme]

I'm talking about all the miracle stuff, its just biology, no need for miracles.

[AllAmericanMan]

Selfish_Meme wrote: I'm talking about all the miracle stuff, its just biology, no need for miracles.

Biology is the study of life, the biggest miracle of existence. I can not look at the diversity and the awesomeness of the known Universe without being awe struck and dumbfounded at how life and evolution works. I'll never stop refering to life as a miracle, it's the only one I see proof of every day.

[Selfish_Meme]

AllAmericanMan wrote: When a unique human being is aborted that combination of the genetic code that composes us all is a combination robbed from existence, never to be seen again. While it is extremely different and immature, differism should never be the justification for violence.

There has been arbitrary criteria set up for the decision of when to assign human rights. Birth, implantation, viability, when it looks like a person, when it generates brain waves that can be detected, have all been suggested but all leave out products of human reproduction as something less than the whole truth during one stage of development or more. Conception is clearly the biologically defining moment.
A. I don't think differism of DNA is the justification for abortion. In my opinion the differism is intellectual capability, as is practised elsewhere with the assigning of rights.
B. Conception is the conception point of a human being, whatever rights we assign at that point is up to us as a society.

[AllAmericanMan]

Selfish_Meme wrote: AllAmericanMan wrote: When a unique human being is aborted that combination of the genetic code that composes us all is a combination robbed from existence, never to be seen again. While it is extremely different and immature, differism should never be the justification for violence.

There has been arbitrary criteria set up for the decision of when to assign human rights. Birth, implantation, viability, when it looks like a person, when it generates brain waves that can be detected, have all been suggested but all leave out products of human reproduction as something less than the whole truth during one stage of development or more. Conception is clearly the biologically defining moment.
A. I don't think differism of DNA is the justification for abortion. In my opinion the differism is intellectual capability, as is practised elsewhere with the assigning of rights.
B. Conception is the conception point of a human being, whatever rights we assign at that point is up to us as a society.

Intellect is never used as a justification for murder.

[Selfish_Meme]

Why don't we just say you believe in the bible and I don't and leave it there.

[AllAmericanMan]

Selfish_Meme wrote: Why don't we just say you believe in the bible and I don't and leave it there.

Because I dont believe in the bible or God?