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chenmon_1983 · Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:02 am Post subject:

No ,no ,no!!!!!!

I'm sure Israel had owned the technology to build a nuke bomb........It doesn't admit that

Akage · Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Posts: 125

israel is a serial agressor. they shouldn't have any weapons at all.

Claudia Schiffer · Joined: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 3234

Revenant wrote: Claudia Schiffer wrote: NO!, Israel is way to dangerous, i don't trust them, they are deceiving, etc...And the fact that they refuse to admit they have such weapon worries me and should worries everyone...

See now this confuses me. You wanted Iran to get nukes, but not Israel, why? How is one nation gaining nukes and not another a good thing?

Because Israel as been at war with everybody ever since it's existance and that Iran has not attack anyone since tha 9th century, at least that's what i hear. Also i believe Iran wants nuke as a political strategy rather than as a weapon, and frankly i feel for the Arabs in the region who are being dictated by the west more or less. If Iran gets nuke, they will be respected.

Also i don't trust Israel for one second, all they care about is their little sh**ty state and they're deceiving enough to bring us to fight their war.

THEXRATED · Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Posts: 2839 Location: Tuonelan Virrat

Yes, but I want all the countries in the region to have them including Iran.

trax · Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 5994 Location: Texas

Akage wrote: israel is a serial agressor. they shouldn't have any weapons at all.

Gong. :roll:

And their surrounding neighbors(openly enemies) should.. right?

Quote: Do you want Israel to have nuclear weapons?

NO. Unless you would also want to stop supporting them altogether. Then I say Yes. Iran obviously changes the question.. IMO.

If Iran builds them... will they just sit on them as their own "MAD" policy? Or will they put them in play? If they put them in play I'm afraid we may learn allot about Israels nuclear capabilities. And where the bottom of that rabbit hole is NOBODY KNOWS!

I am of the belief that humans don't need nuclear weapons to quench our thirst for war. We should rationalize, and somehow come to understand that turning all the lights out is not a earthly form of offense or defense. I mean can't we do bad enough with our regular weapons of war?

I'm surprised the UFO-ologists haven't realized the most probable reason why we have no proof of UFOs.. Would you bother to get to know humans after observing them outside your window?

Timmytour · Joined: 07 Oct 2005 Posts: 6863

I don't think it should be allowed to put up polls in this manner without the OP stating his or her own opinion, whether that's firmly down on one side or whether its stating that it's something that they themselves are not really sure which way they lean.

Regardless, I'll say that I already consider Israel to have nuclear weapons. In that instance I think there is no more onus on them to get rid of them then there is on the US, UK and France. However, I would then fully understand why the likes of Iran would feel the need to develop them.

Should Israel declare themselves either not to have them or to have disposed of them, then I think pressure should be put upon Iran not to develop them by ensuring that any inspections they allow are also undertaken in Israel.

lilwolf wrote: Israel does not need them (yet), even though they have them. If it all comes down to it and it a fight to survive and it involves an entire nation.... I would say to Israel NUKE THEM....

I don't like nukes but if you have and have to use it then do it.....

Iran on the other hand is led by a looney that is going to get his happy ass stomped some where along the line. That is almost as clear as the sun rise each morning.
If he gets it then it is going to become real dangerous real fast.

...

When's fight to survive actually become neccessary? Who's makes that decision?

I wonder what the world would be like now if Kennedy or any subsequent Cold War US President decided that it was neccessary for the Us to take that action against the USSR?

anselfir · Joined: 16 Apr 2005 Posts: 22910 Location: ZzZzZzZz

nukes are useless crap

Ssushi · Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 6380

What amazes me is why the same effort which has and is being applied to Iraq and Iran wrt not owning WMD isn't being applied to Israel? What hypocrisy for the West that we haven't had Hans Blix and his team in Israel investigating whether or not Israel has nuclear weapons... If they don't let the team in, economic sanctions.

Why is it OK for Israel to have a non-disclosed WMD program and yet so wrong for it's neighbours, when clearly they're all a bunch of nut jobs...?

Timmytour · Joined: 07 Oct 2005 Posts: 6863

Ssushi wrote: What amazes me is why the same effort which has and is being applied to Iraq and Iran wrt not owning WMD isn't being applied to Israel? What hypocrisy for the West that we haven't had Hans Blix and his team in Israel investigating whether or not Israel has nuclear weapons... If they don't let the team in, economic sanctions.

Why is it OK for Israel to have a non-disclosed WMD program and yet so wrong for it's neighbours, when clearly they're all a bunch of nut jobs...?

I suppose because although Bush says...

Quote: The NPT represents a key legal barrier to nuclear weapons proliferation and makes a critical contribution to international security.

..he's happy for Israel not to be a part of it and therefore not be required to be open to inspection.

Quote: We cannot allow rogue states that violate their commitments and defy the international community to undermine the NPT's fundamental role in strengthening international security

He's only concernedabout rogue states that signed up to it :shock:

bigmoose · Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 1 Location: Zurich

ban all nukes, nobody needs them.

willvote4money · Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 3

look where israel is stationed, listen to the leaders of their neighbors, and you'll understand why israel needs nukes just to stay alive.
this b.s. about iran not attacking any1 since the 9th century, and israel aggressor....bla bla. read history books, but ones published by non biased author.

thatisnotme · Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 452

Six million Israelis are surrounded by 200 million hostile Muslims who dream nothing but to wipe Israel off the map. Of course, Israel has nukes, it is the only deterrence that Muslims understand.

Akage · Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Posts: 125

trax wrote: Akage wrote: israel is a serial agressor. they shouldn't have any weapons at all.

Gong. :roll:

And their surrounding neighbors(openly enemies) should.. right?

if you say so

Ssushi · Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 6380

thatisnotme wrote: Six million Israelis are surrounded by 200 million hostile Muslims who dream nothing but to wipe Israel off the map. Of course, Israel has nukes, it is the only deterrence that Muslims understand.

So in summary: all 200M Muslims want to wipe Israel off the map? They do nothing but 'dream' about doing it... You don't think that a significant %age of these 200M are just normal people, who happen to be muslims?

:roll:

Ssushi · Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 6380

willvote4money wrote: look where israel is stationed, listen to the leaders of their neighbors, and you'll understand why israel needs nukes just to stay alive.
this b.s. about iran not attacking any1 since the 9th century, and israel aggressor....bla bla. read history books, but ones published by non biased author.

But it's Israel who illegally occupies part of Syria...

Also, if they have them, they should admit to it like everyone else...

thatisnotme · Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 452

Ssushi wrote: thatisnotme wrote: Six million Israelis are surrounded by 200 million hostile Muslims who dream nothing but to wipe Israel off the map. Of course, Israel has nukes, it is the only deterrence that Muslims understand.

So in summary: all 200M Muslims want to wipe Israel off the map? They do nothing but 'dream' about doing it... You don't think that a significant %age of these 200M are just normal people, who happen to be muslims?

:roll:

If they are any just normal people, who happen to be muslims, where are their voices of protest against those who have this dangerous dream of wiping Israel off the map and are instigating hatred, teaching violence to bring about that dream? Why don't we hear from them? When I read papers from Israel, there are tons of articles criticizing their own government on the treatment of Palestinians. Why don't I see that in the Muslim world, ordinary Muslims criticizing their own leaders on how their whole worldview of Jews is warped and dangerous?

battleax86 · Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 4997 Location: Texas

Ssushi wrote: What amazes me is why the same effort which has and is being applied to Iraq and Iran wrt not owning WMD isn't being applied to Israel? What hypocrisy for the West that we haven't had Hans Blix and his team in Israel investigating whether or not Israel has nuclear weapons... If they don't let the team in, economic sanctions.
What does the term "Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty" mean to you?

Ssushi wrote: Why is it OK for Israel to have a non-disclosed WMD program and yet so wrong for it's neighbours, when clearly they're all a bunch of nut jobs...?
They're all a bunch of nut jobs? Really? Somehow, I must have missed that press conference where Olmert informed everyone that Iran must be wiped off the map... :think: ...but I digress...

It's wrong for Iran to have a non-disclosed WMD program because they have signed and ratified a treaty prohibiting them from doing that. It was wrong for Iraq to have a WMD program because they had signed a cease-fire that prohibiting them from doing that. Israel has not signed any treaty that would legally hinder them from developing, building, and testing nukes.

Ssushi wrote: But it's Israel who illegally occupies part of Syria...
Israel and Syria are in a state of war. Having the Golan Heights would give Syria a huge strategic advantage over Israel should the conflict flare up again. Besides, most of the population of the Heights are Israeli citizens anyway...

Ssushi wrote: Also, if they have them, they should admit to it like everyone else...
Why? Because you say so?

MoscowMatt · Joined: 16 Sep 2005 Posts: 1635 Location: UK / Hungary

foadi wrote: Don't care either way, but I voted yes, just to piss people off.

:lol: :lol:

Yoadm · Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 490 Location: Israel

What you people need to ask yourselves is this: Would the middle east, over the last 30 years, have been more stable had Israel not posessed nukes?

The answer is less, much less. There would have been twice as many wars, and the arabs would have gone all out, using chemical weapons against civilian populations because there would have been no fear of reprisal.

During the gulf war, Saddam only shot conventional warheads at Israel, for fear of a nuclear backlash by Israel. Despite being shot at by over 40 scuds, Israel refrained fron hitting back and thus proved it is a responsible military power.

And to those supporting Irans nuclear program because "it will cause MAD", heres a newsflash: Right now, there exisits MAD between Israel and the muslim world (Israel's tiny geography playing against it, as it can be destroyed by conventional means).

Once Iran gets nukes, it knows that 2-3 nukes obliterate Israel plus 90% of Israels responsive power, while Israel cannot hope to destroy Iran.

A nuclear Iran will disrupt the allready stable MAD situation between Israel and its neighbours, thus tipping the scales and disrupting the gentle balance that has formed in the middle east since 1973.

patton449 · Joined: 14 Aug 2006 Posts: 121

If Israel doesn't have the bomb and Iran gets it, That would make Israel a prime target for Iran. Iran, Syria, the palistinians, and Lebanon/Hezbollah all want to destroy Israel. If Israel doesn't have the bomb, then they are in a really bad spot when Iran gets it. And If Israel falls, America is the only major Islamic extremist target left. So the us has to do everything in its power to keep Israel going for many reasons. We basically control the country anyway. If we gave them the bomb, we could make sure that they don't use it unless we say they can. Also they may already have the bomb anyway. They are listed as an undeclared nuclear state. Thats not saying that they don't have the bomb, but that they might have it. I just think the Israeli's and America is just safer if Israel has the bomb then if they don't.