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rudijustfailed · Joined: 24 Aug 2006 Posts: 18 Location: manchester

i hope someone can help me... i read the genealogy of morals, and saw it as political philosophy, but then someone told me that he was generally not regarded as politically minded? if anyone can make it clear i'd appreciate it x

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7657

rudijustfailed wrote: i hope someone can help me... i read the genealogy of morals, and saw it as political philosophy, but then someone told me that he was generally not regarded as politically minded? if anyone can make it clear i'd appreciate it x

Nietzsche was the founder of Nihilism, which is generally considered to be a general philosophy, but can be applied to politics as well as society and the individual.

mojo · Joined: 08 Sep 2005 Posts: 5447 Location: Dreamland, NC

LostSoul3412 wrote: rudijustfailed wrote: i hope someone can help me... i read the genealogy of morals, and saw it as political philosophy, but then someone told me that he was generally not regarded as politically minded? if anyone can make it clear i'd appreciate it x

Nietzsche was the founder of Nihilism, which is generally considered to be a general philosophy, but can be applied to politics as well as society and the individual.

Whats the point of arguing were all going to die eventually. In 3 million years the sun will expand and we will have all died.

The Impeacher · Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 2928 Location: Everywhere

LostSoul3412 wrote: rudijustfailed wrote: i hope someone can help me... i read the genealogy of morals, and saw it as political philosophy, but then someone told me that he was generally not regarded as politically minded? if anyone can make it clear i'd appreciate it x

Nietzsche was the founder of Nihilism, which is generally considered to be a general philosophy, but can be applied to politics as well as society and the individual.

Well, he popularized the conception of his view of nihilism, saying he founded it just does not sound correct.

That said, you pretty much CANNOT take a course in political philosophy without Nietsche, one of the giants in political philosphy, and of all philosophy in general.

Fido · Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 3936

The Impeacher wrote: LostSoul3412 wrote: rudijustfailed wrote: i hope someone can help me... i read the genealogy of morals, and saw it as political philosophy, but then someone told me that he was generally not regarded as politically minded? if anyone can make it clear i'd appreciate it x

Nietzsche was the founder of Nihilism, which is generally considered to be a general philosophy, but can be applied to politics as well as society and the individual.

Well, he popularized the conception of his view of nihilism, saying he founded it just does not sound correct.

That said, you pretty much CANNOT take a course in political philosophy without Nietsche, one of the giants in political philosphy, and of all philosophy in general.

What does it say when an immature boy, and one incapable of manhood, or any adult relationship can be considered as any kind of giant? All it means is that standard was not too high if he could exceed it. There is a tremendous amount of political implication in what he writes, and since so much of madness creeps off his pages that I find it painful to read him, that I don't, but he has had an effect. I would urge you to look at the stick figures he draws, with the rich and noble all one color and the resentful poor all another color, and compare that with those we see about us. Have you ever met charactors as one dimensional as he draws them? Or so motivated to express their cruelty, or revenge. I will not deny that Nietzsche modeled the world in stark contrasts, or that he was correct in some respects. I am saying that so far as I can see most of what he wrote was very convincing non sense carried along by the fact that his readers were too ignorant to disprove him. Nietzsche could see the world he saw because he was blind to the world most of us see, of normal relationships compensating for all the causes of resentment, and making every indignity bearable. And, this seeing, and this blindness of Nietzsche is no less than the seeing and blindness of every philosopher or world mover. We might ask how anyone like a Caesar, or Luther, or a Jefferson, or a Lenin could ever change anything without the belief that their view of history and politics were not the only correct view. To great men, doubt is a weakness, and to me it is a strength.

The Impeacher · Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 2928 Location: Everywhere

Fido wrote: The Impeacher wrote: LostSoul3412 wrote: rudijustfailed wrote: i hope someone can help me... i read the genealogy of morals, and saw it as political philosophy, but then someone told me that he was generally not regarded as politically minded? if anyone can make it clear i'd appreciate it x

Nietzsche was the founder of Nihilism, which is generally considered to be a general philosophy, but can be applied to politics as well as society and the individual.

Well, he popularized the conception of his view of nihilism, saying he founded it just does not sound correct.

That said, you pretty much CANNOT take a course in political philosophy without Nietsche, one of the giants in political philosphy, and of all philosophy in general.

What does it say when an immature boy, and one incapable of manhood, or any adult relationship can be considered as any kind of giant? [...]

I did not call you a giant, your distortion of Nietzsche notwithstanding...

:lol:

ubikk · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 2091

rudijustfailed wrote: i hope someone can help me... i read the genealogy of morals, and saw it as political philosophy, but then someone told me that he was generally not regarded as politically minded? if anyone can make it clear i'd appreciate it x

He's a philosopher. You can apply his ideas to policits, but IIRC, hw as not a very political person. He was a nihilist. He felt that politics like many other human endeavors was doomed to failure and self-destruction.

Fido · Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 3936

The Impeacher wrote: Fido wrote: The Impeacher wrote: LostSoul3412 wrote: rudijustfailed wrote: i hope someone can help me... i read the genealogy of morals, and saw it as political philosophy, but then someone told me that he was generally not regarded as politically minded? if anyone can make it clear i'd appreciate it x

Nietzsche was the founder of Nihilism, which is generally considered to be a general philosophy, but can be applied to politics as well as society and the individual.

Well, he popularized the conception of his view of nihilism, saying he founded it just does not sound correct.

That said, you pretty much CANNOT take a course in political philosophy without Nietsche, one of the giants in political philosphy, and of all philosophy in general.

What does it say when an immature boy, and one incapable of manhood, or any adult relationship can be considered as any kind of giant? [...]

I did not call you a giant, your distortion of Nietzsche notwithstanding...

:lol:

Nietzsche was a boy. If you think highly of him, then translate him to me because I see in him all those boys who marched off to war and left children like him at home, and that like him, were resentful of the mothers who raised them, and all the more willing to latch on to the masculine ideal. Nietzsche was a boy trying to seem like a man, and is ultimately a lesson in how essential a complete family is to the raising of boys into manhood. I would ask you to take his aphorism as an example, and ask: Are these true. Much of his work, and I qualify this by admitting I have not read all, and also admitting that sociology and anthropology were unexplored relatively while he was alive, so that much of his work seems false compared to what I know from other sources. Was he certain on uncertain evidence, or certain to cover the sparseness of his evidence?

The Impeacher · Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 2928 Location: Everywhere

Fido wrote: The Impeacher wrote: Fido wrote: The Impeacher wrote: LostSoul3412 wrote: rudijustfailed wrote: i hope someone can help me... i read the genealogy of morals, and saw it as political philosophy, but then someone told me that he was generally not regarded as politically minded? if anyone can make it clear i'd appreciate it x

Nietzsche was the founder of Nihilism, which is generally considered to be a general philosophy, but can be applied to politics as well as society and the individual.

Well, he popularized the conception of his view of nihilism, saying he founded it just does not sound correct.

That said, you pretty much CANNOT take a course in political philosophy without Nietsche, one of the giants in political philosphy, and of all philosophy in general.

What does it say when an immature boy, and one incapable of manhood, or any adult relationship can be considered as any kind of giant? [...]

I did not call you a giant, your distortion of Nietzsche notwithstanding...

:lol:

Nietzsche was a boy. If you think highly of him, then translate him to me because I [...]

Niezsche was the same age as Jesus when he died. Thank you for reminding everyone once again you've never read any Nietsche.

and why do you hate the baby Jesus so much? :lol:

Fowler · Joined: 25 Mar 2006 Posts: 7 Location: Boston, MA

Nietzsche despised political movements. He was an individualist philosopher through and through.

Fido · Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 3936

Fowler wrote: Nietzsche despised political movements. He was an individualist philosopher through and through.

But to say there is such a thing as an individual is a political statement, with political consequences. Truth is not all perspectivist, and may not be at all perspectivist. We see different things differently from our different perspectives, but if we exchange positions we would see as others see. To assert the idea of the individual we must deny the social, cultural, and familial influences upon development just as Nietzsche denied that nobility was a facet of a whole people. Even to suggest that morals were a creation of mankind rather than a development of mankind is a strong political statement because it divorces cause from effect, and leads people to believe that morals are imposed or arbitrary, given by the powerful to control the weak. In fact, morals are given their strength by the life they support, and it is the well supported life that spills over its boundaries and conquers the world.

melchizedek22 · Joined: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 370 Location: Holy Toledo

Nietzsche ended up talking to his horse,he couldn't have wiped Socrates
ass,he wasn't worthy

Fido · Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 3936

melchizedek22 wrote: Nietzsche ended up talking to his horse,he couldn't have wiped Socrates
ass,he wasn't worthy

What makes anyone think the horse in question was not blind, as in a double entendre? If some one was beating a horse in the street is was probably Nietzsche.

melchizedek22 · Joined: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 370 Location: Holy Toledo

Fido wrote: melchizedek22 wrote: Nietzsche ended up talking to his horse,he couldn't have wiped Socrates
ass,he wasn't worthy

What makes anyone think the horse in question was not blind, as in a double entendre? If some one was beating a horse in the street is was probably Nietzsche.
Or shooting "horse" in the alley! :twisted:

Fido · Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 3936

melchizedek22 wrote: Fido wrote: melchizedek22 wrote: Nietzsche ended up talking to his horse,he couldn't have wiped Socrates
ass,he wasn't worthy

What makes anyone think the horse in question was not blind, as in a double entendre? If some one was beating a horse in the street is was probably Nietzsche.
Or shooting "horse" in the alley! :twisted:

Is that legal?

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 7657

Fido wrote: Is that legal?

The better question is "Would Nietzsche care?" :wink:

Saf · Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 377

Nietzsche pretty much rejected the modern nation-state.

Calling Nietzsche a nihilist is a good way of making oneself look uneducated. He is one of the co-founders of existentialism (the other being Kierkegaard). They did not work together. Nietzsche wrote from an atheistic perspective; Kierkegaard wrote from a Christian perspective. If you think Nietzsche lacked values... *shudder* You haven't read a word he said.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Quote: Nietzsche pretty much rejected the modern nation-state.

Saying that and then claiming that Nietszche wasn't a nihilist makes you sound uneducated.

ni‧hil‧ism /ˈnaɪəˌlɪzəm, ˈni-/
–noun 1. total rejection of established laws and institutions.

David Kelly · Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Posts: 451 Location: Kissimmee, FL

mojo wrote: LostSoul3412 wrote: rudijustfailed wrote: i hope someone can help me... i read the genealogy of morals, and saw it as political philosophy, but then someone told me that he was generally not regarded as politically minded? if anyone can make it clear i'd appreciate it x

Nietzsche was the founder of Nihilism, which is generally considered to be a general philosophy, but can be applied to politics as well as society and the individual.

Whats the point of arguing were all going to die eventually. In 3 million years the sun will expand and we will have all died.

Try 10 Billion and we'll be on another world by then.

Fido · Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 3936

cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: Nietzsche pretty much rejected the modern nation-state.

Saying that and then claiming that Nietszche wasn't a nihilist makes you sound uneducated.

ni‧hil‧ism /ˈnaɪəˌlɪzəm, ˈni-/
–noun 1. total rejection of established laws and institutions.

Every individualist rejects the permanence and immortality of society. To see the individual one must be blind, or deny the society that formed that individual. Fortunately, Nietzsche in his own paranoid fashion could see the individual apart from society, but that individual is painted like a cartoon character, bold, muscular, and unreal. Why do you believe that Nietzsche so feared the equality of democracy? I believe it is because apart from his motivations, those he assigned to the overman, or the underman that he would not himself have made a ripple on the calm sameness of the surface of humanity. No one stands out as exceptional, except people like Nietzsche: exceptionally right or wrong.