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[ubikk]

If the Muslim World wants to challenge the west, the way to do that is through business and economics. Not terrorism. THe one thing Western nations respect is business. When Japan started kicking our butts and buying up our real estate, did we invade? No. Now that China is kicking our butts and driving up the price of oil and attracting all our production assets, have we invaded? Are we talking about it? No.

So, here's the theory: If the Muslim world wants to fight the West they should do it via the free market. If they persist in terorism, the West will just keep killing them. If they build a dominating economic system, the West will play fair. They certainly have enough assets from oil revenue to start that process.

They are never going to get anywhere on that front if insurgents keep killing educated people like docotors, professors and engineers in order to weaken the regime in Iraq.

What do you think?

[jeechoscopy]

Well said ubikk. I must appriciate your ideas. I'm in favor of Globalization in the sense of equality.
The way you see Muslims involved in terrorism is quite understandable. I reffer you to see them in broader sense. Most muslims and nonmuslims are perceiving it the way i wrote in a post:
jeechoscopy wrote: I'm very satisfied that what's going in our world is due to a super power's political compaign...it will be there untill the political success or failure.
There is no fault in Islam that would be spreading terror in the world. And the satisfaction that it's not a religouse fight between Islam and anyother religion.
This political project needs some terrorist groups so that a reason for invading countries could acheive. The style of the project is chosen to increase more and more agression in the Islamic countries. Al qaeda's reason to exist is there because American forces are in Middle East, and consistantly refusals to quit Middle East whenever it is asked. Hammas' reason to exist is there because Palestinians right to deffend their country is stolen. Hasbullah's reason to exist is there because Israel invaded several times in Lebonan while Israel is supported by super powers and Lebonan had been supported by non.

That's why I say It a political compaing. And the style chosen for the so called sollution is actually the agression that fulfills to promote terrorism.

You should interpret the situation of Muslims in the world before you blame anything to Islam.
Anyone who has a political eye can interpret the story. It's an open window to see through the reallity.

I don't support any terrorim by any-side... I'm a big opponant of the way the case of terrorsim is delt.

[David Kelly]

ubikk wrote: If the Muslim World wants to challenge the west, the way to do that is through business and economics. Not terrorism. THe one thing Western nations respect is business. When Japan started kicking our butts and buying up our real estate, did we invade? No. Now that China is kicking our butts and driving up the price of oil and attracting all our production assets, have we invaded? Are we talking about it? No.

So, here's the theory: If the Muslim world wants to fight the West they should do it via the free market. If they persist in terorism, the West will just keep killing them. If they build a dominating economic system, the West will play fair. They certainly have enough assets from oil revenue to start that process.

They are never going to get anywhere on that front if insurgents keep killing educated people like docotors, professors and engineers in order to weaken the regime in Iraq.

What do you think?

So true. You want to destroy a nation built on capitalism? Buy it. The only risk in this is what if America goes socialist?

[ubikk]

David Kelly wrote:

So true. You want to destroy a nation built on capitalism? Buy it. The only risk in this is what if America goes socialist?

Good quesiton. Socialist and/or employes nationalization. That would throw a wrench in the whole plan.

[Muslima]

totally agree, which is the thing happening in my country.

[ubikk]

Muslima wrote: totally agree, which is the thing happening in my country.

The coming oil crunch offers the perfect oppportunity for the Muslim world to become the dominant economic force replacing Asia and the West. Thether they will they take advantage of it or not is the question.

Terrorism will keep giving the west excuses to invade their countries and prevent this process. You know there are people in Washington right now just waiting for a good excuse to attack Iran or Syria and prevent that process from happening.

My advice is: don't give the West an opening, make them act rashly if they act at all.

[mendosan]

Quote: The coming oil crunch offers the perfect oppportunity for the Muslim world to become the dominant economic force replacing Asia and the West. Thether they will they take advantage of it or not is the question.

Oil money won't make the Muslim world rich, proper education for Boys and Girls, reduction in corruption in countries which have the potential to be Economic heavy weights such as Pakistan will go some way to making them richer, the Muslim world is not likley to over take the West in my life time and probably never countries such as India and China.

[Richard Owl Mirror]

How the Muslim World can fight the West, "fairly"

By providing a worthy example by which people would be willing to emulate ?

[ubikk]

mendosan wrote: Quote: The coming oil crunch offers the perfect oppportunity for the Muslim world to become the dominant economic force replacing Asia and the West. Thether they will they take advantage of it or not is the question.

Oil money won't make the Muslim world rich, proper education for Boys and Girls, reduction in corruption in countries which have the potential to be Economic heavy weights such as Pakistan will go some way to making them richer, the Muslim world is not likley to over take the West in my life time and probably never countries such as India and China.

Well, I'm suggesting that the people in those countries rise up and root out the corruption and then use the oil revenue to build healthy economies and see if they can beat us on the balance sheets.

[mendosan]

ubikk wrote: mendosan wrote: Quote: The coming oil crunch offers the perfect oppportunity for the Muslim world to become the dominant economic force replacing Asia and the West. Thether they will they take advantage of it or not is the question.

Oil money won't make the Muslim world rich, proper education for Boys and Girls, reduction in corruption in countries which have the potential to be Economic heavy weights such as Pakistan will go some way to making them richer, the Muslim world is not likley to over take the West in my life time and probably never countries such as India and China.

Well, I'm suggesting that the people in those countries rise up and root out the corruption and then use the oil revenue to build healthy economies and see if they can beat us on the balance sheets.

Thats what there doing, there the ones blowing up stuff in SA and other Arab countries.

[jeechoscopy]

ubikk wrote: Muslima wrote: totally agree, which is the thing happening in my country.

The coming oil crunch offers the perfect oppportunity for the Muslim world to become the dominant economic force replacing Asia and the West. Thether they will they take advantage of it or not is the question.

Terrorism will keep giving the west excuses to invade their countries and prevent this process. You know there are people in Washington right now just waiting for a good excuse to attack Iran or Syria and prevent that process from happening.

My advice is: don't give the West an opening, make them act rashly if they act at all.
Agree!!!

[Dagger]

three problems.

First of all its wierd comparing a religon to a nation.

Secondly the muslim world dosn't want to fight the West. Dont genralise, its terrorists.

Thirdly its terrorists, they dont wanna be rich and beat you, they wanna kill you.


IF your talking bout the muslim nations themsleves, yeah that would make sense, and they are all trying to do exactly that. I dont think any nation is trying to screw thee economy up on purpose. The muslim nations arent trying to fight the Western world then, there just trying to surpass you economically but they cat, and proabably wont, cause like you stated above there corrupt.

The only way people will beat the West economically is by education, before there can be a revelotion, the poeple must learn, becuse if there is a revolution before education, you will still have corruption. So i think the onlky way is education, and thats bout it. Once the Middle East has more education, and the people learn that hay we can make a differnce, the muslim countries wil start to gro economically.