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[rye]

I just have to say again that I think the missle/wtc7 stuff is a side issue, if not a side show.

Many people, from intelligence types to regular citizens all over the world knew what was going to happen, yet nothing was done to stop it in the weeks before and DURING the event. This isn't incompetence. It isn't just that people didn't do their job well. They didn't do their job at all....at all points before and during, in spite of the fact that they were told s*** was going down.

Forget the buildings and missle stuff. It's almost like people within the truth movement are erecting their own straw men and red herrings. There is plenty of evidence that they fell due to the planes. Come on, it's plausible at least.

What is the core of the story? Stick with it.

[NAB]

rye wrote: I just have to say again that I think the missle/wtc7 stuff is a side issue, if not a side show.

Many people, from intelligence types to regular citizens all over the world knew what was going to happen, yet nothing was done to stop it in the weeks before and DURING the event. This isn't incompetence. It isn't just that people didn't do their job well. They didn't do their job at all....at all points before and during, in spite of the fact that they were told s*** was going down.

Forget the buildings and missle stuff. It's almost like people within the truth movement are erecting their own straw men and red herrings. There is plenty of evidence that they fell due to the planes. Come on, it's plausible at least.

What is the core of the story? Stick with it.

Completely agree with what you said. I've always wondered why do these conspiracy theories have to become SO elaborate and require SO many players that it makes them completely implausible. If I were to suggest a plausible theory on the government's complicity on 911, then their simple inaction when faced with the intell would be a more reasonable assumption. I'm constantly hearing this compared to Pearl Harbor (ala the PNAC statement) as some proof, but isn't the "conspiracy" surrounding Pearl Harbor based on "ignoring" impending events? Why couldn't 911 be the same without all of the nonsensical conspiracies? That would be a conspiracy that I might be able to believe.

[Free Thinkr]

rye wrote: I just have to say again that I think the missle/wtc7 stuff is a side issue, if not a side show.

Many people, from intelligence types to regular citizens all over the world knew what was going to happen, yet nothing was done to stop it in the weeks before and DURING the event. This isn't incompetence. It isn't just that people didn't do their job well. They didn't do their job at all....at all points before and during, in spite of the fact that they were told s*** was going down.
Evidence, please. I've heard much about how they were warned that some attack was coming, but I don't see how they would have acted on that.

Quote: Forget the buildings and missle stuff. It's almost like people within the truth movement are erecting their own straw men and red herrings. There is plenty of evidence that they fell due to the planes. Come on, it's plausible at least.

What is the core of the story? Stick with it.
Well, exactly. That's why it disgusts me when they claim to be a "truth movement." Please! They're the exact opposite. If anything, these conspiracy theorists are obstacles in the way of the truth. We'll likely never know all the facts surrounding 9/11, but these dastardly tales do nothing but derail any reasonable investigation, and waste precious resources on a wild goose chase.

[JohnnyQ]

Free Thinkr wrote: rye wrote: I just have to say again that I think the missle/wtc7 stuff is a side issue, if not a side show.

Many people, from intelligence types to regular citizens all over the world knew what was going to happen, yet nothing was done to stop it in the weeks before and DURING the event. This isn't incompetence. It isn't just that people didn't do their job well. They didn't do their job at all....at all points before and during, in spite of the fact that they were told s*** was going down.
Evidence, please. I've heard much about how they were warned that some attack was coming, but I don't see how they would have acted on that.

I would suggest you look into Able Danger and see that there is a coverup going on.

[Free Thinkr]

yanniv wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: rye wrote: I just have to say again that I think the missle/wtc7 stuff is a side issue, if not a side show.

Many people, from intelligence types to regular citizens all over the world knew what was going to happen, yet nothing was done to stop it in the weeks before and DURING the event. This isn't incompetence. It isn't just that people didn't do their job well. They didn't do their job at all....at all points before and during, in spite of the fact that they were told s*** was going down.
Evidence, please. I've heard much about how they were warned that some attack was coming, but I don't see how they would have acted on that.

I would suggest you look into Able Danger and see that there is a coverup going on.
I've looked into able danger, and found nothing convincing. You'll have to do better than that.

[JohnnyQ]

Free Thinkr wrote: yanniv wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: rye wrote: I just have to say again that I think the missle/wtc7 stuff is a side issue, if not a side show.

Many people, from intelligence types to regular citizens all over the world knew what was going to happen, yet nothing was done to stop it in the weeks before and DURING the event. This isn't incompetence. It isn't just that people didn't do their job well. They didn't do their job at all....at all points before and during, in spite of the fact that they were told s*** was going down.
Evidence, please. I've heard much about how they were warned that some attack was coming, but I don't see how they would have acted on that.

I would suggest you look into Able Danger and see that there is a coverup going on.
I've looked into able danger, and found nothing convincing. You'll have to do better than that.

I guess you can never convince anyone especially when its right before their eyes.

[Claudia Schiffer]

rye wrote: I just have to say again that I think the missle/wtc7 stuff is a side issue, if not a side show.

Many people, from intelligence types to regular citizens all over the world knew what was going to happen, yet nothing was done to stop it in the weeks before and DURING the event. This isn't incompetence. It isn't just that people didn't do their job well. They didn't do their job at all....at all points before and during, in spite of the fact that they were told s*** was going down.

Forget the buildings and missle stuff. It's almost like people within the truth movement are erecting their own straw men and red herrings. There is plenty of evidence that they fell due to the planes. Come on, it's plausible at least.

What is the core of the story? Stick with it.

That's not true at all, they are plenty of pictures of wars where you can see building standing that had much more damages. And even better example is the Oklahoma building which had about half of it blown off, and it didn't collapse remember.

let'S watch building 7 being demolish one more time. If you do not agrea that it's a classical demolition jod? You are not worth it...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9184329400593634920&q=label%3Azionism

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7082804592890872932&q=label%3Azionism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNEoiOP76QQ&mode=related&search=

eveidence of explosives here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z7NyzDkEtY&mode=related&search=

you can clearly see the explosions in slow motion...it's in french but who cares

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWqJCCqPG-0&mode=related&search=

[Free Thinkr]

yanniv wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: yanniv wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: rye wrote: I just have to say again that I think the missle/wtc7 stuff is a side issue, if not a side show.

Many people, from intelligence types to regular citizens all over the world knew what was going to happen, yet nothing was done to stop it in the weeks before and DURING the event. This isn't incompetence. It isn't just that people didn't do their job well. They didn't do their job at all....at all points before and during, in spite of the fact that they were told s*** was going down.
Evidence, please. I've heard much about how they were warned that some attack was coming, but I don't see how they would have acted on that.

I would suggest you look into Able Danger and see that there is a coverup going on.
I've looked into able danger, and found nothing convincing. You'll have to do better than that.

I guess you can never convince anyone especially when its right before their eyes.
Yeah, and I guess you can very easily convince some of anything, no matter how ludicrous and oft-debunked.

[JohnnyQ]

Free Thinkr wrote: yanniv wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: yanniv wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: rye wrote: I just have to say again that I think the missle/wtc7 stuff is a side issue, if not a side show.

Many people, from intelligence types to regular citizens all over the world knew what was going to happen, yet nothing was done to stop it in the weeks before and DURING the event. This isn't incompetence. It isn't just that people didn't do their job well. They didn't do their job at all....at all points before and during, in spite of the fact that they were told s*** was going down.
Evidence, please. I've heard much about how they were warned that some attack was coming, but I don't see how they would have acted on that.

I would suggest you look into Able Danger and see that there is a coverup going on.
I've looked into able danger, and found nothing convincing. You'll have to do better than that.

I guess you can never convince anyone especially when its right before their eyes.
Yeah, and I guess you can very easily convince some of anything, no matter how ludicrous and oft-debunked.

Oh yeah? What is debunked about Able Danger? Tell me, because I'd be glad to know what is wrong with Able Danger and how it was "debunked". To me it looks like you have no idea what Able Danger is about. I'm sure you heard about it, but never really took the time to look into it. :lol:

[Free Thinkr]

yanniv wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: yanniv wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: yanniv wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: rye wrote: I just have to say again that I think the missle/wtc7 stuff is a side issue, if not a side show.

Many people, from intelligence types to regular citizens all over the world knew what was going to happen, yet nothing was done to stop it in the weeks before and DURING the event. This isn't incompetence. It isn't just that people didn't do their job well. They didn't do their job at all....at all points before and during, in spite of the fact that they were told s*** was going down.
Evidence, please. I've heard much about how they were warned that some attack was coming, but I don't see how they would have acted on that.

I would suggest you look into Able Danger and see that there is a coverup going on.
I've looked into able danger, and found nothing convincing. You'll have to do better than that.

I guess you can never convince anyone especially when its right before their eyes.
Yeah, and I guess you can very easily convince some of anything, no matter how ludicrous and oft-debunked.

Oh yeah? What is debunked about Able Danger? Tell me, because I'd be glad to know what is wrong with Able Danger and how it was "debunked". To me it looks like you have no idea what Able Danger is about. I'm sure you heard about it, but never really took the time to look into it. :lol:
I'm not making any claims regarding able danger, my point is that you have nothing more than assertions of a coverup. That's why you refuse to make an argument. I'm not fooled.

[rye]

Claudia Schiffer wrote: let'S watch building 7 being demolish one more time. If you do not agrea that it's a classical demolition jod? You are not worth it...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9184329400593634920&q=label%3Azionism

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7082804592890872932&q=label%3Azionism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNEoiOP76QQ&mode=related&search=

eveidence of explosives here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z7NyzDkEtY&mode=related&search=

you can clearly see the explosions in slow motion...it's in french but who cares

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWqJCCqPG-0&mode=related&search=

I'm sick of those videos and don't think they're important in the grand scheme of things. It's a peripheral issue, as I stated. Sound out these words: I DO NOT CARE. It sidetracks people and this thread is getting hijacked.

"You are not worth it..." That's a weird thing to say, and, Ms. Schiffer, you just jumped the shark.

[JohnnyQ]

Free Thinkr wrote: yanniv wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: yanniv wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: yanniv wrote: Free Thinkr wrote: rye wrote: I just have to say again that I think the missle/wtc7 stuff is a side issue, if not a side show.

Many people, from intelligence types to regular citizens all over the world knew what was going to happen, yet nothing was done to stop it in the weeks before and DURING the event. This isn't incompetence. It isn't just that people didn't do their job well. They didn't do their job at all....at all points before and during, in spite of the fact that they were told s*** was going down.
Evidence, please. I've heard much about how they were warned that some attack was coming, but I don't see how they would have acted on that.

I would suggest you look into Able Danger and see that there is a coverup going on.
I've looked into able danger, and found nothing convincing. You'll have to do better than that.

I guess you can never convince anyone especially when its right before their eyes.
Yeah, and I guess you can very easily convince some of anything, no matter how ludicrous and oft-debunked.

Oh yeah? What is debunked about Able Danger? Tell me, because I'd be glad to know what is wrong with Able Danger and how it was "debunked". To me it looks like you have no idea what Able Danger is about. I'm sure you heard about it, but never really took the time to look into it. :lol:
I'm not making any claims regarding able danger, my point is that you have nothing more than assertions of a coverup. That's why you refuse to make an argument. I'm not fooled.

How can I make an arguement when you clearly stated you are not convinced about Able Danger? No matter what I say you will dismiss like some of the people on this board. But if you want to shoot, I'll shoot back.

[metalan1]

BigOMG.


Just realize this. The world trade center towers were 110 story, steel framed, with a solid steel core, reinforcedby concrete, going all the way up to the roof. Now the impacts of the planes were at the top of these buildings... With common sense here, the jet fuel was pretty much all burned up in a massive black fireball on contact. Now remember the impact was at the TOP of the buildings not the bottom.

So..

an HOUR later. The two massive buildings go free falling down to the ground, STRAIGHT down, with squibs coming out the side of the buildings. Hardly no resistance from wind, or steel core structures, just complete free fall. Also mind you, for these buildings to fall the core would have had to be destroyed, and you can't do that by hitting tops of buildings with a plane, that just destroys the top, now maybe the top could have tumbled over, but not the entire 110 STORY STEEL FRAMED< STEEL REINFORCED CONCRETE CORE BUILDING. This all happened in an hour after impact, do you see the insanity yet. More insanity ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZVY001Gcrs SQUIBS watch and learn.

Jet Fuel isn't even hot enough to melt steel. So how did this steel get so weakened in an hour that this entire massive 110 story building came free falling down ? How was the steel reinforced concrete pillar going up the middle destroyed ? Why was the lobby glass blown out along with the marble facing blown off the walls ? Was that from an impact 80 stories up ?What about all the eyewitness reports of secondary explosions ?

Just use common sense here and look at this PHYSICS professors report. You will probably find him a quack because he uses real science to prove the towers and WTC 7 were taken down by explosives.

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

[Norrin Radd]

NAB wrote: rye wrote: I just have to say again that I think the missle/wtc7 stuff is a side issue, if not a side show.

Many people, from intelligence types to regular citizens all over the world knew what was going to happen, yet nothing was done to stop it in the weeks before and DURING the event. This isn't incompetence. It isn't just that people didn't do their job well. They didn't do their job at all....at all points before and during, in spite of the fact that they were told s*** was going down.

Forget the buildings and missle stuff. It's almost like people within the truth movement are erecting their own straw men and red herrings. There is plenty of evidence that they fell due to the planes. Come on, it's plausible at least.

What is the core of the story? Stick with it.

Completely agree with what you said. I've always wondered why do these conspiracy theories have to become SO elaborate and require SO many players that it makes them completely implausible. If I were to suggest a plausible theory on the government's complicity on 911, then their simple inaction when faced with the intell would be a more reasonable assumption. I'm constantly hearing this compared to Pearl Harbor (ala the PNAC statement) as some proof, but isn't the "conspiracy" surrounding Pearl Harbor based on "ignoring" impending events? Why couldn't 911 be the same without all of the nonsensical conspiracies? That would be a conspiracy that I might be able to believe.

If the government did have foreknowledge of the 911 attacks and did look the other way, then it would be in their best interests to invent other, more outrageous conspiracy theories, in order to distract people from their inaction and foreknowledge of the attacks.

Of course this doesn't mean that it is impossible for there to have been bombs inside the twin towers, or that it is impossible that the other theories might be correct, but if I were trying to cover up foreknowledge of the 911 attacks, then I would suggest creating outlandish, complicated scenarios to distract people from the truth.

[NAB]

Norrin Radd wrote: NAB wrote: rye wrote: I just have to say again that I think the missle/wtc7 stuff is a side issue, if not a side show.

Many people, from intelligence types to regular citizens all over the world knew what was going to happen, yet nothing was done to stop it in the weeks before and DURING the event. This isn't incompetence. It isn't just that people didn't do their job well. They didn't do their job at all....at all points before and during, in spite of the fact that they were told s*** was going down.

Forget the buildings and missle stuff. It's almost like people within the truth movement are erecting their own straw men and red herrings. There is plenty of evidence that they fell due to the planes. Come on, it's plausible at least.

What is the core of the story? Stick with it.

Completely agree with what you said. I've always wondered why do these conspiracy theories have to become SO elaborate and require SO many players that it makes them completely implausible. If I were to suggest a plausible theory on the government's complicity on 911, then their simple inaction when faced with the intell would be a more reasonable assumption. I'm constantly hearing this compared to Pearl Harbor (ala the PNAC statement) as some proof, but isn't the "conspiracy" surrounding Pearl Harbor based on "ignoring" impending events? Why couldn't 911 be the same without all of the nonsensical conspiracies? That would be a conspiracy that I might be able to believe.

If the government did have foreknowledge of the 911 attacks and did look the other way, then it would be in their best interests to invent other, more outrageous conspiracy theories, in order to distract people from their inaction and foreknowledge of the attacks.

Of course this doesn't mean that it is impossible for there to have been bombs inside the twin towers, or that it is impossible that the other theories might be correct, but if I were trying to cover up foreknowledge of the 911 attacks, then I would suggest creating outlandish, complicated scenarios to distract people from the truth.

So are you suggesting all of the conspiracy theories we have to endure surrounding 911 are a creation of the government? I think that would be pure genious on their part. All of those who accuse the non-beleivers of having their eyes closed are merely the pawns in an elaborate ruse. :P

I find your theory quite interesting because while I feel that there are some suspicious events surrounding 911, the elabrorate theories promulgated in places like this seem downright disingenuous in their plausibility. I could see factions in the government letting the game come to them, so to speak, in order to carry out an agenda, and then using disinformation to cover it up. Wouldn't be the first time it's happened.

[BigOMG]

Whoa there everyone, back on topic.

What is the current "Conspiracy theory" concerning 9/11?

Building brought down by the US government by explosives?

Cruise missile used on the Pentagon? WTC?

A ragtag group of religious fighters attacked the USA using our own freedoms against us to attack our way of life?

This is all part of the grand Bush?Clinton scheme to control the governments for Haliburton for more oil profits?

What is/are the current theories. :-D

[NAB]

BigOMG wrote: Whoa there everyone, back on topic.

What is the current "Conspiracy theory" concerning 9/11?

Building brought down by the US government by explosives?

Cruise missile used on the Pentagon? WTC?

A ragtag group of religious fighters attacked the USA using our own freedoms against us to attack our way of life?

This is all part of the grand Bush?Clinton scheme to control the governments for Haliburton for more oil profits?

What is/are the current theories. :-D

If you read these forums, I'd say the answer is: All of the above.

[Norrin Radd]

NAB wrote:

So are you suggesting all of the conspiracy theories we have to endure surrounding 911 are a creation of the government? I think that would be pure genious on their part. All of those who accuse the non-beleivers of having their eyes closed are merely the pawns in an elaborate ruse. :P

I find your theory quite interesting because while I feel that there are some suspicious events surrounding 911, the elabrorate theories promulgated in places like this seem downright disingenuous in their plausibility. I could see factions in the government letting the game come to them, so to speak, in order to carry out an agenda, and then using disinformation to cover it up. Wouldn't be the first time it's happened.

I am suggesting that "some" of the theories "might" be government creations.

I was wondering, have you researched any other conspiracies?

I am not changing the subject, but I am curious to know if you are aware of what the government is capable of.

There is now proof FDR had foreknowledge of the attack on Pearl.

TWA 800 and the OKC bombing are two obvious coverups.

Have you done any significant reading on these coverups, or any others?

When trying to learn the truth, it is important to know if there is precedent.

When it comes to government lies and coverups, the track record of the US government speaks volumes.

[BigOMG]

Norrin Radd wrote: There is now proof FDR had foreknowledge of the attack on Pearl.

TWA 800 and the OKC bombing are two obvious coverups.

Sources? Links?

[Norrin Radd]

[quote="BigOMG"] Norrin Radd wrote: There is now proof FDR had foreknowledge of the attack on Pearl.

TWA 800 and the OKC bombing are two obvious coverups.

Sources? Links?[/quote

For Pearl Harbor go to my post on this thread........

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50213&start=0

My post is 15th, I believe.

For OKC and TWA 800, I will have to post info later, as I need to go to work now.

Let me know what you think about the Pearl Harbor info.