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ubikk · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 2303

Let's double their pay. Let market forces do the rest.

Comments?

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6956 Location: Ohio

Holy s**t..

We need a smaller military, not a bigger one. The military is bloated as it is.

ubikk · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 2303

Demonic Spoon wrote: Holy s**t..

We need a smaller military, not a bigger one. The military is bloated as it is.

Well, there's definitely an argument that if we don't want to pay the fair market value for military labor, then we should have a smaller military.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 8933

Soldiers are government property, not individuals.

Also, why would the government pay them more when they can just draft all the soldiers they need?

Wyatt Earp · Joined: 03 Jul 2006 Posts: 358

they should raise the enlistment age to 50 years old.

ubikk · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 2303

LostSoul3412 wrote: Soldiers are government property, not individuals.

Also, why would the government pay them more when they can just draft all the soldiers they need?

You get a better quality military with volunteers. Draftees in Vietnam had a habit of "Fragging" their officers.

ubikk · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 2303

Wyatt Earp wrote: they should raise the enlistment age to 50 years old.

They'd probably have better luck if they lowered it to 16.

LostSoul3412 · Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 8933

ubikk wrote: You get a better quality military with volunteers.

Don't have to be good to fire a rifle and take a bullet.

ubikk wrote: Draftees in Vietnam had a habit of "Fragging" their officers.

... Oops?

BassistVIV · Joined: 09 Jul 2005 Posts: 847 Location: Florida

I know many people who are in the military. I don't think there is that big of a shortage...

Also, they already get paid college and benefits and such, as well as a decent pay, why do we need to give them anything else?

Green · Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:44 pm Post subject:

Dig up this guy's bones, extract DNA, clone it, and reelect him president.

He never started a war during his presidentcy, above overwhelming odds. :wink:

ubikk · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 2303

BassistVIV wrote: I know many people who are in the military. I don't think there is that big of a shortage...

Also, they already get paid college and benefits and such, as well as a decent pay, why do we need to give them anything else?

If one truly believes in the free market, then they would support the concept that the way to increase enlistment is by paying the enlistees more momey.

If you think the military has enough people then the current rate of pay is OK, it's the fair market value.

I just want people who hide behind free-market arguments for everything to be consistent.

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6956 Location: Ohio

ubikk wrote: BassistVIV wrote: I know many people who are in the military. I don't think there is that big of a shortage...

Also, they already get paid college and benefits and such, as well as a decent pay, why do we need to give them anything else?

If one truly believes in the free market, then they would support the concept that the way to increase enlistment is by paying the enlistees more momey.

If you think the military has enough people then the current rate of pay is OK, it's the fair market value.

I just want people who hide behind free-market arguments for everything to be consistent.

We are. We believe that the military is too damn big already...or at least that's what most of us think.

Shady · Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 7413 Location: VA

I say anyone that joins the military gets a bag of cocaine. That way not only will more people join up, we can keep them indefinately.

ubikk · Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 2303

Demonic Spoon wrote:
We are. We believe that the military is too damn big already...or at least that's what most of us think.

OK, but that's a different argument. The argument I'm making is just for the people who want to increase enlistment. If you don't want to increase enlistment, then obviously you wouldn't want dramatic pay increases either.

WeThePeople · Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject:

Shady wrote: I say anyone that joins the military gets a bag of cocaine. That way not only will more people join up, we can keep them indefinately.

I agree

BassistVIV · Joined: 09 Jul 2005 Posts: 847 Location: Florida

ubikk wrote: BassistVIV wrote: I know many people who are in the military. I don't think there is that big of a shortage...

Also, they already get paid college and benefits and such, as well as a decent pay, why do we need to give them anything else?

If one truly believes in the free market, then they would support the concept that the way to increase enlistment is by paying the enlistees more momey.

If you think the military has enough people then the current rate of pay is OK, it's the fair market value.

I just want people who hide behind free-market arguments for everything to be consistent.

?

What are you going on about?

I believe that the army is already big enough. Therefore, there's no need to encourage enlistment. Therefore, there is no need to raise pay. My opinion is pretty blatant. No hiding going on here.

ideal · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 213 Location: Wyoming

As a former sailor, the military is big enough(but not too big in my opinion). In addition to that, the pay is fair(assuming you're not stationed some place with an insane cost of living and have a family). Enlisted men may not make loads of money, but they're well taken care of. Everything I spent money on while I was in was luxury. As I've seen, that's the case for most unwed members.

antonio62 · Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:17 pm Post subject:

LostSoul3412 wrote: Don't have to be good to fire a rifle and take a bullet.

They do. There is a reason why America decided to have a professional army after WW2. The reason being that the overwhelming majority of allied soldiers in WW2 didn't fire there gun and those that did fired deliberately away from the enemy. Modern elite army's are trained to kill and so can actually fire a gun at the enemy.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

ubikk wrote: LostSoul3412 wrote: Soldiers are government property, not individuals.

Also, why would the government pay them more when they can just draft all the soldiers they need?

You get a better quality military with volunteers. Draftees in Vietnam had a habit of "Fragging" their officers.

Urban myth

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

Green wrote: Dig up this guy's bones, extract DNA, clone it, and reelect him president.

He never started a war during his presidentcy, above overwhelming odds. :wink:

George Washington also fought Muslim terrorists aka the Barbary Pirates. The "shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Hymn come from a police action against them.

www.earlyamerica.com/review/2002_winter_spring/terrorism.htm