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[kotzabasis]

Australia Must Protect Itself From Home-Grown Terror

The anti-terror laws proposed by the Howard government, have brought in their wake the civil libertarians' nightmares that these laws will destroy civil liberties, freedom of speech and assembly, and eventually and irreparably erode the values of our democratic state.

The nightmarish shadow of ASIO and its spooks will forebodingly spread and pervade all parts of our society, and no institution or person will be safe from the horrid intrusions of its ghostly agents. Hence, according to the libertarians's "apparitional" thinking...


FULL ARTICLE: http://congeorgekotzabasis.blogspot.com

[Muzz]

These laws will die with Howard. Only he has had the political capital to push some of these things through and even now, his capital reserve is starting to dry up as Georgiou and his ilk threaten to cross the floor with increasing regularity.

Whilst the current Liberal Party is a repository for born-to-rule scum bags there are still principled members within it's parliamentary body and it only takes one to wander across the floor in the senate to sink the more odious Government legislation (Sadly none got up the balls to knock off "Employerchoices.") So too, more often than not a conscience vote will be a cockslapping of Howard and co.

[kotzabasis]

Muzz

Without these laws maybe Australia "will die".

As for "Georgiou and his ilk", whom you consider to be the "principled members of the Liberal Party", they are on the contrary the "repository" of Europe's remarkable errors on immigration. As they are repeating these same errors for which Europe presently pays a hefty price, by allowing in its midst so many migrants from Muslim countries, who adamantly refuse to integrate into Europe's culture.

If you can spare some of your "time capital", I would suggest that you read the whole article in the link I provided, and maybe then you can tell me about your more comprehensive disagreements. I stand to be corrected.

[Muzz]

Quote: Without these laws maybe Australia "will die".
Rubbish, utter rubbish.

Quote: As for "Georgiou and his ilk", whom you consider to be the "principled members of the Liberal Party",
Of the very, very few.

Quote: they are on the contrary the "repository" of Europe's remarkable errors on immigration.
Given your name, are you and your family one of our immigration policy mistakes?

Quote: As they are repeating these same errors for which Europe presently pays a hefty price, by allowing in its midst so many migrants from Muslim countries, who adamantly refuse to integrate into Europe's culture.
Europe being of many diverse cultures (Some of which are, GASP, Muslim,) how can one draw it as one single culture. Let's not forget that Europeans have been slaughtering each other for as long as time can remember.

Quote: If you can spare some of your "time capital", I would suggest that you read the whole article in the link I provided, and maybe then you can tell me about your more comprehensive disagreements. I stand to be corrected.
Unfortunately I have an allergy to pseudo-intellectual mental masturbation and as such your blog made me sneeze uncontrollably.

[kotzabasis]

Muzz

You obviously did not grasp the meaning of the quote marks on "will die", which meant to be a "bantering" response to your opening, 'These laws will die'. So your 'utter rubbish' is indeed rubbish, as it is a non sequitur. You also disregard the fact, or if you don't then you commit an error in logic, that most migrants of the fifties and sixties were of Christian and Western background, as I was, and it was much easier for them to integrate into the Australian culture. The fact is, that Muslims don't integrate, neither in Europe nor in Australia.

As for your allergy, allow me to remind you, that vituperation is no substitute for argument. And your uncontrollable sneezes seem to me to have their origins in the "odors" of banking, of which you maybe a competent functionary, but whose attributes will not help you at all in intellectual matters.

[Muzz]

kotzabasis wrote: Muzz

You obviously did not grasp the meaning of the quote marks on "will die", which meant to be a "bantering" response to your opening, 'These laws will die'. So your 'utter rubbish' is indeed rubbish, as it is a non sequitur.
You're still doing the intellectual equivalent of shaking hands with the wife's best mate.

Quote: You also disregard the fact, or if you don't then you commit an error in logic, that most migrants of the fifties and sixties were of Christian and Western background, as I was, and it was much easier for them to integrate into the Australian culture.
And some easier than others. Western Europeans fit in better than Mediteranians and even then, Italians integrated better than Greeks.

Quote: The fact is, that Muslims don't integrate, neither in Europe nor in Australia.
Some do. Sweeping, simplistic, One Nation argument.

Quote: As for your allergy, allow me to remind you, that vituperation is no substitute for argument. And your uncontrollable sneezes seem to me to have their origins in the "odors" of banking,
Nor is simplistic, xenophobic parroting. Did you write Pauline Hanson's speeches?
Quote: of which you maybe a competent functionary, but whose attributes will not help you at all in intellectual matters.
No, I have my degree for that.

[kotzabasis]

Muzz

Of course some Europeans integrated better than others. That is stating the obvious. But if you believe that Muslims have a strong tendency to integrate because "some do", then you have lost your moorings from history and you are a fugitive from reality. And your continuing colorful vituperative terms, "pseudo-intellectual", "mental masturbation", and "xenophobic parroting", are hackneyed and trite, lacking originality.

Judging from your cognitive musings above, the degree that you have is a run-of-the-mill degree. without cum laude.

[maxtsu]

kotzabasis wrote: Muzz

Without these laws maybe Australia "will die".

Sorry..but I have to say..."that scare-mongering of the Bush type veil"

[Muzz]

kotzabasis wrote: Muzz

Of course some Europeans integrated better than others. That is stating the obvious.
If the obvious is something that needs to be explicitly highlighted to you it reall says something about you, doesn't it.
Quote: But if you believe that Muslims have a strong tendency to integrate because "some do", then you have lost your moorings from history and you are a fugitive from reality.
That some intergrate means that some intergrate, nothing more should be drawn. If they don't want to fit in, the by all means tell them to piss off back to the s**t holes they crawled out of but I fail to see why myself or those of my similar long bred Australian stock should have our privacy and rights impinged upon because of a minority of misguided idiots and their misanthropic religious leadership. Nor should those immigrants, even Muslim ones, who are seeking to build and share a better, peaceful existence on our shores be penalised for the sins of their brothers.

Quote: And your continuing colorful vituperative terms, "pseudo-intellectual", "mental masturbation", and "xenophobic parroting", are hackneyed and trite, lacking originality.

Judging from your cognitive musings above, the degree that you have is a run-of-the-mill degree. without cum laude.
I hope you realise that neither of these last two paragraphs do anything to disuade me from my conclusion that you are an intellectual masturbator and an all around wanker. Oh, and a biggot into the bargain.

Cheers