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[David]

There's a lot of doubt now.The main problem with his confession is he claims Jon was drugged by him before the rape but the autopsy report shows no drugs or alcohol in her system when she died.The DNA test will be the kicker.

[Robodoon]

David wrote:

If this man did really rape a 6 year old. He should have a bullet put in his head. and thats just for the rape of a child. ...killing her....is much more.....

But I think something else is going on.

On the note of adults having sex with children.

Please see the UN...they want it to be a right for the whole world.

[levin893]

He definitely did not do it. His story makes no sense and I think he was looking for his 15 minutes of fame. Trouble is, he got it! Waste of media time.

[A Promise Kept]

Does anyone know how much JonBenet's life insurance policy was? I wouldn't eliminate the possibility of the parents being the prime suspects.


here is some unique perspective on the ransom note found

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.myhandwriting.com/images/ransom1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.myhandwriting.com/celebs/ransom1.html&h=537&w=406&sz=57&hl=en&start=9&tbnid=PwlgmVii64DvsM:&tbnh=132&tbnw=100&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJonBenet%2B%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D

Here are some of the other prime suspects (excluding Karr)

http://www.longmontfyi.com/ramsey/storyDetail03.asp?ID=26


God I hope they find the killer.

[levin893]

A Promise Kept wrote: Does anyone know how much JonBenet's life insurance policy was? I wouldn't eliminate the possibility of the parents being the prime suspects.


here is some unique perspective on the ransom note found

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.myhandwriting.com/images/ransom1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.myhandwriting.com/celebs/ransom1.html&h=537&w=406&sz=57&hl=en&start=9&tbnid=PwlgmVii64DvsM:&tbnh=132&tbnw=100&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJonBenet%2B%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D

Here are some of the other prime suspects (excluding Karr)

http://www.longmontfyi.com/ramsey/storyDetail03.asp?ID=26


God I hope they find the killer.

Neither would I and the fact is once this guy is proven to an innocent nut job the Ramsey's will go back to being the prime suspects.

[A Promise Kept]

Heres a really chilling theory that may make the most sense.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.vincentbridges.com/highweirdness/ikes/dec25.jpg&imgrefurl=http://vincentbridges.com/&h=178&w=237&sz=12&hl=en&start=43&tbnid=yF5ZqsHyHmdNYM:&tbnh=82&tbnw=109&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJonBenet%2B%26start%3D40%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN

[David]

A Promise Kept wrote: Heres a really chilling theory that may make the most sense.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.vincentbridges.com/highweirdness/ikes/dec25.jpg&imgrefurl=http://vincentbridges.com/&h=178&w=237&sz=12&hl=en&start=43&tbnid=yF5ZqsHyHmdNYM:&tbnh=82&tbnw=109&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJonBenet%2B%26start%3D40%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN




Nostradamus’ Quatrains and the next Balkan War :!?:

[Gnostic]

levin893 wrote: Waste of media time.


I mean no offense by saying this but.....this is a waste of anybody's time who is'nt personally related to the players in this "story".

Could someone PLEASE answer me this...why in creation is this "story" still alive in the press? Because this is some rich little white girl? How many poor white girls get abducted, molested, raped, killed, etc every single day in the United States, much less children of color who are poor and NEVER make it even to the back page of the daily gossip rags....where this "story" actually belongs.

This is National Enquirer type stuff for people who get off on morbidity and gossip....and it's a great way for our awesome, de-regulated droned-out media to shift attention from the REAL issues of the day and get us all worked up over a non-story.

I don't mean to sound callous or cold on this.....I just really don't care. The people involved mean nothing to me, and while it's a terrible crime, I don't understand why it's always rich little white kids who get all the media attention in cases like this. Is it because they are superior and deserve more of our attention when things like this happen? Or is it that our controlled media needs a diversion to take us away from the real issues that actually affect us, like Iraq or health care for instance. I really don't get it. But it does serve that purpose extremely well obviously, since there's even more than 2 posts in this thread.

Ok, I'be wasted enough time even writing this much on it. :roll:

[A Promise Kept]

I am sorry you feel that way Gnostic. Are you African American? Yeah it is sad that its only the "white rich people" that get attention. Everytime I hear about a crime like this, regardless of race, I feel that the criminal justice system has failed. I feel that the justice system isn't working anymore. The media, they pick the things they want the people to hear. The most "juiciest" of stories. There are probably several crimes that don't even make it into the newspaper or the news.

I become involved in many criminal cases because maybe I can find something the justice system missed. I believe in finding the monsters who would commit such a crime, so they can't do it again. People need to realize that ignoring it will not make it go away. The more awareness of such things, no matter how its presented, helps people to better understand that there are people out there who do some pretty messed up stuff.
Who would you say are the "players" in this "story"? The suspects? The whole town of Boulder, CO?

Yes the news industry and reporters are pretty souless. They dramatize all the big stories, just like Natalee Holloway(I hope they find her), the Duke rape case, and now JonBenet Ramsey(may she rest in peace).But what is different about JonBenet's case is that it is over 10 years old. It was a "cold case" and now they suddenly have a suspect in custody that basically confessed but people are having doubts.

Yes I do believe there is racial preference and that is unfortunate. I wish there was something that can be done. I live in Philly where the majority is African American or Asian and I always hear about shootings and gang wars and corruption. On my local news they have all the crimes that happened that day, but rarely does it ever make it to nation wide status.

This is not the only case I have concerned myself with. I think about all types of crimes that occur. Homicide, Suicide, Kidnapping, Rapes , Pedophila, Robbery, Hijacking, Arson, well you get the idea. They are all problems that happen every day, and everyday they are crimes that could have been prevented with alittle awareness.


Oh and btw that was the wrong link in my earlier post.

Here is the right one.

http://vincentbridges.com/?p=83

[Gnostic]

A Promise Kept wrote: I am sorry you feel that way Gnostic.

Yea, I am too, but that's the way it is. Just about everyone I talk to in the street has the same opinion as well.....they're sick of hearing about this and consider this a non-story except for the concerned participants. How a "story" like this that drags on forever like some sick soap opera gains such national media attention, even above major issues that should be on the front burners of the news, is quite beyond me, except for the fact it serves as a great distraction FROM those real issues for the sheep who watch our great droned out "news" feeds.

A Promise Kept wrote: Are you African American?

What does that have to do with the price of coffee in Mongolia? What if I'm Chinese, or Native American, or the man on the moon? Does that mean I should have a different opinion on this? I'm not making this into a race issue, just pointing out a glaring and obvious fact, that generally, poor children, especially of color, never get a single peep out of the media when they are victimized, but wealthy, prominent families with spoiled little white children seem to deserve national media attention when (gasp!) the same happens to them. Can you explain that?

You know what this is? National Enquirer type "news", for the morbidly fascinated and bored.

A Promise Kept wrote: Yeah it is sad that its only the "white rich people" that get attention.

Yes it is. Makes the rest of us peons feel like crimes committed against us are inconsequential, we're just minions and trolls whose deaths or miseries can be easily brushed aside....but o my! A rich white girl from a rich family? Johnny, call out the posse!

Again, this is National Enquirer material, nothing more, and again, it serves as a great distraction to take the sheeple's attention away from real news and issues that actually matter to the rest of us.

A Promise Kept wrote: Everytime I hear about a crime like this, regardless of race, I feel that the criminal justice system has failed.

Regardless of race or economic status, yes, a crime like that is horrendously evil, and yes, they all make me bow my head upon learning of them. But here's a little fact....crimes like that have been around humanity since the dawn of civilization, and earlier, and always will be. There will always be chilld molestors and killers, as incomprehensible as such a criminal is, and for the rest of time we will always be needing to catch them and kill/lock them up. Just the way it is. The fact that this sort of crime happens every single day in America to thousands of children we never hear about proves this succinctly, and if anything, we should be hearing of stories on Faux Newz about how the criminal justice system is bettering itself to catch these slime, but instead what we get is a running analogy and soap opera about the personal details of a family and crime which concerns noone else but the parties involved.

A Promise Kept wrote: I feel that the justice system isn't working anymore. The media, they pick the things they want the people to hear. The most "juiciest" of stories. There are probably several crimes that don't even make it into the newspaper or the news.

I have nothing to add to that, totally agreed.

A Promise Kept wrote: I become involved in many criminal cases because maybe I can find something the justice system missed. I believe in finding the monsters who would commit such a crime, so they can't do it again. People need to realize that ignoring it will not make it go away. The more awareness of such things, no matter how its presented, helps people to better understand that there are people out there who do some pretty messed up stuff.

Unless you are studying for a criminal justice degree, I can't see why anyone would get caught up with a "story" like this, unless they just enjoy seeing other people's business as their own somehow and enjoy that "juicy" gossip you talked about. There's really no way you are EVER EVER going to stop all crimes like this, all it takes is one sick individual to get close enough to their intended target. How are you going to figure out how this can be prevented? And that's why we hire police forces, the FBI and etc....that's what those guys do, I'm a plumber, so I'm better off sticking to pipes, unless I plan on changing career paths and becoming a cop. So, we're back at base one again, that being this story merely appeals to the morbid curiosity that many people possess but won't admit to.....kinda like the guy who stands in line at the check-out aisle in the supermarket and does'nt want anyone to see him looking at the gossip rags on the shelf but can't stop himself from taking a peek anyway when noone's looking.

A Promise Kept wrote: Who would you say are the "players" in this "story"? The suspects? The whole town of Boulder, CO?

The family and the cops. Period. Nobody else's business. Not yours or mine. And just look at what constant exposure to a morbidly fascinated, Sherlock Holmes fancying population has caused....suspicion on the family itself, now seemingly erroneous....and I'm sure the family never appreciated the spotlight, for that reason and many more. It's a total invasion of privacy unless the family sought the attention themselves.

A Promise Kept wrote: Yes the news industry and reporters are pretty souless. They dramatize all big stories, just like Natalee Holloway(I hope they find her), the Duke rape case, and now JonBenet Ramsey(may she rest in peace).But what is different about JonBenet's case is that it is over 10 years old. It was a "cold case" and now they suddenly have a suspect in custody that basically confessed but people are having doubts.

Yawn. So? How is this any of our business? And yea, this is a 10 year old case that's still being milked for all it's worth, while.....how many other children in the meantime have met the same fate and their murderers never found again? Yawn.

A Promise Kept wrote: Yes I do believe there is racial preference and that is unfortunate.

You forgot economic preference too. Rich people being victimized is horrible, poor people being victimized is....well....yawn.

A Promise Kept wrote: there was something that can be done. I live in Philly where the majority is African American or Asian and I always hear about shootings and gang wars and corruption. On my local news they have all the crimes that happened that day, but rarely does it ever make it to nation wide status.

How about all those Irish and Italian and Jewish mobsters back in the gangland days who turned streets into pools of blood? Forget all about that? I almost suspect here you are trying to say that people don't get as concerned about crime to minorities because they inflict alot of crime themselves, and if that's the case, you may be right far as popular sentiment goes, but it's erroneous in the extreme and quite prejudiced, since it seems the vast majority of child molestors and mass murderers are middle aged white men like the BTK killer and Jeff Dahmer, etc etc.

A Promise Kept wrote: This is not the only case I have concerned myself with. I think about all types of crimes that occur. Homicide, Suicide, Kidnapping, Rapes , Pedophila, Robbery, Hijacking, Arson, well you get the idea. They are all problems that happen every day, and everyday they are crimes that could have been prevented with alittle awareness.

Like locking your kids up in a little bubble and completely isolating them from the outside world? How would you prevent all crimes like this? If you have the solution you would become the new age prophet.

[Kane]

I'm with Gnostic. Not only is this completely overblown...there's doubt about his guilt. I've seen this mans credentials, him entering a flight to the US and leaving said flight, I've seen video of him in-flight, I've seen his neighbors, I've seen his family, I've seen his old school, I've seen the jail he's in, and I've seen Jon Benet modeling repeatedly.

This story does more harm than good. It negates all other crimes and begins to form the inference that crime is not all that prevalent based on how frequent it's shown on the television or anywhere else in the news.

I can tell you that Richmond, CA probably has loads more cases like this one...or Oakland...or Camdem, NJ...

The news today is out purely for profit and choose stories based on what they deem most effective at garnering the largest amount of viewers thus ensuring more of the almighty dollar.

Iraq? Possible All-Out Civil War? Israel? Lebanon? Gas? Inflation? UK Terror Plot?

All negated when Mark Karr admits to killing Jon Benet...

[pikers]

Harbinger wrote: mrling wrote:
Harbinger wrote:
He might be the guy for all I know, however...

A CNN anchor said he appeared to be "shaken" by all the media attention. Maybe it's just me but... this guy wasn't just "shaken", we was shaking. People don't just wiggle like that from fear.


Yes, they do.

Naa, I no what fear shakes look like. He wiggles as if he's got MS.

I shake like that when I picture Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House. :shock:

This guy looks like a ped, trying to escape a foriegn prison term for possessing child porn, and living the fantasy he had of killing her. It was known for many years that he was obsessed by JBR, and to be known as the guy that killed her probably gets his rocks off pretty good.

[Gnostic]

pikers wrote: Harbinger wrote: mrling wrote:
Harbinger wrote:
He might be the guy for all I know, however...

A CNN anchor said he appeared to be "shaken" by all the media attention. Maybe it's just me but... this guy wasn't just "shaken", we was shaking. People don't just wiggle like that from fear.


Yes, they do.

Naa, I no what fear shakes look like. He wiggles as if he's got MS.

I shake like that when I picture Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House. :shock:.

I shake like that too when I think of the possibility of another Rethug admin after this one, and maybe another 4 years of moral/financial bankruptcy in Iraq. I know just what you're talking about. :P

[Enoch]

Revenant wrote: Now the million dollar question is.....who killed OJ's wife? OJ. Now, I'll take my million please.

[DavidXV]

Someone should post a new news story so we don't have to look at the freaky satanic possessed child murderer everytime we visit.

[DavidXV]

Kane wrote: I'm with Gnostic. Not only is this completely overblown...there's doubt about his guilt. I've seen this mans credentials, him entering a flight to the US and leaving said flight, I've seen video of him in-flight, I've seen his neighbors, I've seen his family, I've seen his old school, I've seen the jail he's in, and I've seen Jon Benet modeling repeatedly.

This story does more harm than good. It negates all other crimes and begins to form the inference that crime is not all that prevalent based on how frequent it's shown on the television or anywhere else in the news.

I can tell you that Richmond, CA probably has loads more cases like this one...or Oakland...or Camdem, NJ...

The news today is out purely for profit and choose stories based on what they deem most effective at garnering the largest amount of viewers thus ensuring more of the almighty dollar.

Iraq? Possible All-Out Civil War? Israel? Lebanon? Gas? Inflation? UK Terror Plot?

All negated when Mark Karr admits to killing Jon Benet... No, there isn't any doubt. Some people and some in the media will have trouble coming to terms with his guilt, because they have been swallowing the media's false version for so long they think the parents were guilty when there was never any reason to think that. Just like there was never any logical reason to think the parents were guilty, there is currently no logical reason to think this guy isn't guilty.

[Kane]

DavidXV wrote: Kane wrote: I'm with Gnostic. Not only is this completely overblown...there's doubt about his guilt. I've seen this mans credentials, him entering a flight to the US and leaving said flight, I've seen video of him in-flight, I've seen his neighbors, I've seen his family, I've seen his old school, I've seen the jail he's in, and I've seen Jon Benet modeling repeatedly.

This story does more harm than good. It negates all other crimes and begins to form the inference that crime is not all that prevalent based on how frequent it's shown on the television or anywhere else in the news.

I can tell you that Richmond, CA probably has loads more cases like this one...or Oakland...or Camdem, NJ...

The news today is out purely for profit and choose stories based on what they deem most effective at garnering the largest amount of viewers thus ensuring more of the almighty dollar.

Iraq? Possible All-Out Civil War? Israel? Lebanon? Gas? Inflation? UK Terror Plot?

All negated when Mark Karr admits to killing Jon Benet... No, there isn't any doubt. Some people and some in the media will have trouble coming to terms with his guilt, because they have been swallowing the media's false version for so long they think the parents were guilty when there was never any reason to think that. Just like there was never any logical reason to think the parents were guilty, there is currently no logical reason to think this guy isn't guilty.

I never thought the family was guilty...in fact I never really cared. Only after this story is shoved repeatedly down my throat do I begin to cast doubt...

Your supposing he's guilty until proven innocent? The media has already reported the wife and brother of Mark Karr ardently repudiating any possibility of his involvement. This coming from the wife that divorced him and ordered a restraining order...

I'm not going to assert that he's guilty or that he's not guilty...I'm just throwing my opinion out there. We'll only really know after the case...

[DavidXV]

Kane wrote: DavidXV wrote: Kane wrote: I'm with Gnostic. Not only is this completely overblown...there's doubt about his guilt. I've seen this mans credentials, him entering a flight to the US and leaving said flight, I've seen video of him in-flight, I've seen his neighbors, I've seen his family, I've seen his old school, I've seen the jail he's in, and I've seen Jon Benet modeling repeatedly.

This story does more harm than good. It negates all other crimes and begins to form the inference that crime is not all that prevalent based on how frequent it's shown on the television or anywhere else in the news.

I can tell you that Richmond, CA probably has loads more cases like this one...or Oakland...or Camdem, NJ...

The news today is out purely for profit and choose stories based on what they deem most effective at garnering the largest amount of viewers thus ensuring more of the almighty dollar.

Iraq? Possible All-Out Civil War? Israel? Lebanon? Gas? Inflation? UK Terror Plot?

All negated when Mark Karr admits to killing Jon Benet... No, there isn't any doubt. Some people and some in the media will have trouble coming to terms with his guilt, because they have been swallowing the media's false version for so long they think the parents were guilty when there was never any reason to think that. Just like there was never any logical reason to think the parents were guilty, there is currently no logical reason to think this guy isn't guilty.

I never thought the family was guilty...in fact I never really cared. Only after this story is shoved repeatedly down my throat do I begin to cast doubt...

Your supposing he's guilty until proven innocent? The media has already reported the wife and brother of Mark Karr ardently repudiating any possibility of his involvement. This coming from the wife that divorced him and ordered a restraining order...

I'm not going to assert that he's guilty or that he's not guilty...I'm just throwing my opinion out there. We'll only really know after the case... I think his various stories are an attempt to not get the death penalty, not much chance of that but a killer starts with the crazy assumtion he will never get caught, so for him to think he can continue to maniplate would be par for his course.

I don't think any autopsy or any part of the original investigation, which was a circus, is worthy for any consideration because they were obviously trying to shape it to fit their preconcptions of the parents being the guilty ones, and the media"s portryals are also very worthless.

They begin this new story by telling us what this guy ate on the airplane, which is just ridiculous storytelling (lying) because the guy just ate what the airplane crew served to the passengers, when you are on a plane you eat what they are serving unless you brought your own meal.

This all began with the media stating a false statistic without soursing their diatribe, that when a child is murdered it is usually the parents, when anyone with a little common sense can see that is not likely to be true, but the hilbilly cops decided then the parents were probably guilty and plowed ahead in their colossal ineptitude ignoring all the evidence, and even today the press still reports that false statistic and still reports that there was never any sign of forced entry when that is false, there was forced entry, a damaged basement door with some implements of destruction nearby. The hillbilly cops ignored the forced entry because they were going to prove the parents did it.

If someone says he could not have done it because he was somewhere else, then they need to not just say that but prove it, but I'm not listening to what the media has to say on the matter, because their record impeaches their credibility. We will never know what happenned if we listen to the stories the media conjures up, which they will continue to do after the case is closed, but we can just ignore them and see that two plus two equals four. I believe in innocent until proven guilty, but proved guilty by a court, not storytellers, and i have no reasonable reason to doubt that this confessed murderer is guilty.

[Kane]

DavidXV wrote: Kane wrote: DavidXV wrote: Kane wrote: I'm with Gnostic. Not only is this completely overblown...there's doubt about his guilt. I've seen this mans credentials, him entering a flight to the US and leaving said flight, I've seen video of him in-flight, I've seen his neighbors, I've seen his family, I've seen his old school, I've seen the jail he's in, and I've seen Jon Benet modeling repeatedly.

This story does more harm than good. It negates all other crimes and begins to form the inference that crime is not all that prevalent based on how frequent it's shown on the television or anywhere else in the news.

I can tell you that Richmond, CA probably has loads more cases like this one...or Oakland...or Camdem, NJ...

The news today is out purely for profit and choose stories based on what they deem most effective at garnering the largest amount of viewers thus ensuring more of the almighty dollar.

Iraq? Possible All-Out Civil War? Israel? Lebanon? Gas? Inflation? UK Terror Plot?

All negated when Mark Karr admits to killing Jon Benet... No, there isn't any doubt. Some people and some in the media will have trouble coming to terms with his guilt, because they have been swallowing the media's false version for so long they think the parents were guilty when there was never any reason to think that. Just like there was never any logical reason to think the parents were guilty, there is currently no logical reason to think this guy isn't guilty.

I never thought the family was guilty...in fact I never really cared. Only after this story is shoved repeatedly down my throat do I begin to cast doubt...

Your supposing he's guilty until proven innocent? The media has already reported the wife and brother of Mark Karr ardently repudiating any possibility of his involvement. This coming from the wife that divorced him and ordered a restraining order...

I'm not going to assert that he's guilty or that he's not guilty...I'm just throwing my opinion out there. We'll only really know after the case... I think his various stories are an attempt to not get the death penalty, not much chance of that but a killer starts with the crazy assumtion he will never get caught, so for him to think he can continue to maniplate would be par for his course.

I don't think any autopsy or any part of the original investigation, which was a circus, is worthy for any consideration because they were obviously trying to shape it to fit their preconcptions of the parents being the guilty ones, and the media"s portryals are also very worthless.

They begin this new story by telling us what this guy ate on the airplane, which is just ridiculous storytelling (lying) because the guy just ate what the airplane crew served to the passengers, when you are on a plane you eat what they are serving unless you brought your own meal.

This all began with the media stating a false statistic without soursing their diatribe, that when a child is murdered it is usually the parents, when anyone with a little common sense can see that is not likely to be true, but the hilbilly cops decided then the parents were probably guilty and plowed ahead in their colossal ineptitude ignoring all the evidence, and even today the press still reports that false statistic and still reports that there was never any sign of forced entry when that is false, there was forced entry, a damaged basement door with some implements of destruction nearby. The hillbilly cops ignored the forced entry because they were going to prove the parents did it.

If someone says he could not have done it because he was somewhere else, then they need to not just say that but prove it, but I'm not listening to what the media has to say on the matter, because their record impeaches their credibility. We will never know what happenned if we listen to the stories the media conjures up, which they will continue to do after the case is closed, but we can just ignore them and see that two plus two equals four. I believe in innocent until proven guilty, but proved guilty by a court, not storytellers, and i have no reasonable reason to doubt that this confessed murderer is guilty.

Fair enough. I'm just going by what I have available to me, that is to say the MSM. We really won't know anything until the trial is over and the case made public. But as long as that doubt is cast and not answered, even if by the extremely unintelligent media, I'll have my doubts just as you'll have yours.

[DavidXV]

Police work 101

notice the difference in the way a freaky murderer looks compared to regular people: